| Ched Evans 10:49 - Jan 3 with 9105 views | Farmerpiles |
Nixon in the Sun claiming Town and Sunderland keen on Ched Evans, tho Preston lead the race to sign him. Personally their welcome to him. |  | | |  |
| Ched Evans on 14:42 - Jan 3 with 3280 views | J2BLUE |
| Ched Evans on 14:37 - Jan 3 by Garv |
Agreed. Educate me though, because I don't know whether this general dislike of him is based purely on his conviction these days or him in general? His recent 'behavioural' issues aren't much to go on obviously. |
He's an absolute cock. The stuff that came out about his character when he first went on trial really showed his true light. Google it. He was living with another player, can't remember who, but they both came across as complete bellends.
Didn't we sign Adam Proudlock when he had been let go for disciplinary reasons? Really not worth going there for a number of reasons. This really does have a flashing neon sign saying BAD IDEA. Even Marcus Evans can't get this one wrong. |  |
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| Ched Evans on 14:43 - Jan 3 with 3281 views | BlueBadger |
| Ched Evans on 14:36 - Jan 3 by 26_Paz |
I wasn’t championing him. I simply pointed out that a now removed statement posted by you was at best factually incorrect and at worst libellous.
You can thank me later. |
I was thinking more of those upvoting the news commenter here who wanted to sign him because, amongst other things it would 'upset the snowflakes', but hey. |  |
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| Ched Evans on 15:34 - Jan 3 with 3219 views | MonkeyAlan |
| Ched Evans on 13:36 - Jan 3 by MattinLondon |
If Barton were to come here, then at least we wouldn’t be linked with that bell end Ched Evans.
Keane and Hurst were quite aggressive in their dealings with the squads that they inherited- how did they work out? Being able to kick someone up the arse (whilst in a position of authority) is easy. It takes a proper manager to use the authority he has in a constructive manner. |
Don't see Lambert having much luck with his approach either. Some of the players need to stand up and be counted. Wear the shirt with pride. They don't, they only worry about their fancy watches, big houses, range rovers, new tattoos etc. Oh, and their contract when it's nearly up. Once signed they sit back again. |  | | |
| Ched Evans on 15:44 - Jan 3 with 3210 views | Herbivore |
| Ched Evans on 14:37 - Jan 3 by Garv |
Agreed. Educate me though, because I don't know whether this general dislike of him is based purely on his conviction these days or him in general? His recent 'behavioural' issues aren't much to go on obviously. |
For me it's down to the criminal case. I did a fair bit of reading up around it and his behaviour was that of an utter scumbag and the tactics he employed to get found not guilty at the retrial were rather unsavoury. That Joey Barton has seen fit to bin him off for disciplinary reasons is another massive red flag, not that another red flag is needed for me to not want to go near him. |  |
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| Ched Evans on 15:55 - Jan 3 with 3167 views | Dubtractor |
| Ched Evans on 15:44 - Jan 3 by Herbivore |
For me it's down to the criminal case. I did a fair bit of reading up around it and his behaviour was that of an utter scumbag and the tactics he employed to get found not guilty at the retrial were rather unsavoury. That Joey Barton has seen fit to bin him off for disciplinary reasons is another massive red flag, not that another red flag is needed for me to not want to go near him. |
All of this. If we were to sign him I would be disgusted. |  |
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| Ched Evans on 15:59 - Jan 3 with 3156 views | BryanPlug |
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| Ched Evans on 16:03 - Jan 3 with 3149 views | wkj |
Can deny he's done a decent job as a footballer, but off field antics and discipline problems under Joey Barton really sends the alarm bells ringing. And then there is the other stuff, as much as I may have a hard time having faith in the court's decision, I am not a judge- so... I can't be firing off about that one really. |  |
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| Was coming to post the same on 16:14 - Jan 3 with 3140 views | ScottCandage |
| Ched Evans on 14:32 - Jan 3 by HalifaxBlue |
If this man plays for Town, I will stop watching and supporting them as long as he does.
He was convicted first time around. Got off on an extremely controversial re-trail based on a digging up of the woman's sexual history. Leaves very little room for doubt in my mind.
Having an overly aggressive w**ker as manager is one thing. Giving a paycheque to someone with a very public history of sexual violence is another and I'm out if it happens (not that anyone will care. Just my POV) |
I'll never watch Town while he is here. |  | | |
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| Ched Evans on 16:55 - Jan 3 with 3097 views | Swailsey |
At least this would make Hamgate seem like a soft punch on the arm. |  |
| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| Was coming to post the same on 18:32 - Jan 3 with 3015 views | Bramidan |
| Was coming to post the same on 16:14 - Jan 3 by ScottCandage |
I'll never watch Town while he is here. |
What have we come to when we would consider signing somebody like him?
I accept he was found not guilty of rape but what a sh.t bag. |  | | |
| Ched Evans on 18:51 - Jan 3 with 2987 views | bluebud |
| Ched Evans on 12:15 - Jan 3 by Herbivore |
I'm already feeling done with Town, if we sign Evans it might push me to go and support Norwich. |
You'll stop supporting us if we sign Evans and go and support a club Evans used to play for instead....smart move! |  | | |
| Ched Evans on 19:57 - Jan 3 with 2950 views | itfcjoe |
I personally wouldn’t be bothered by the off field stuff, as he was acquitted after the retrial - you have to trust the law of the land after that much scrutiny. Secret Barrister did an interesting blog on it where they criticised the rape charities and states how did much more harm than good for future victims with their (deliberate?) misunderstanding of what had happened.
Would he improve us? Probably just. I’d personally be more concerned that he’s being booted out of Fleetwood, how often do you hear if players being sacked?
The concerns re current professionalism, plus the negative reaction from a portion of the fan base, plus him being 32, and I’d lean towards not going near him |  |
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| Ched Evans on 21:38 - Jan 3 with 2864 views | m14_blue |
| Ched Evans on 19:57 - Jan 3 by itfcjoe |
I personally wouldn’t be bothered by the off field stuff, as he was acquitted after the retrial - you have to trust the law of the land after that much scrutiny. Secret Barrister did an interesting blog on it where they criticised the rape charities and states how did much more harm than good for future victims with their (deliberate?) misunderstanding of what had happened.
Would he improve us? Probably just. I’d personally be more concerned that he’s being booted out of Fleetwood, how often do you hear if players being sacked?
The concerns re current professionalism, plus the negative reaction from a portion of the fan base, plus him being 32, and I’d lean towards not going near him |
Not sure I’ve ever disagreed with you really before Joe but I passionately and absolutely refute your first sentence.
He was found not guilty, no one’s disputing that.
However, how anyone can read what happened that night (even by his own account used in his defence) and still want him representing our club is beyond me.
He’s the most infamous scumbag in football and seeing him in an Ipswich shirt would just drag us even further into the gutter.
God knows, we’ve little enough to be proud of at the moment but this would be something else. | | | |
| Ched Evans on 21:56 - Jan 3 with 2843 views | jeera |
| Ched Evans on 19:57 - Jan 3 by itfcjoe |
I personally wouldn’t be bothered by the off field stuff, as he was acquitted after the retrial - you have to trust the law of the land after that much scrutiny. Secret Barrister did an interesting blog on it where they criticised the rape charities and states how did much more harm than good for future victims with their (deliberate?) misunderstanding of what had happened.
Would he improve us? Probably just. I’d personally be more concerned that he’s being booted out of Fleetwood, how often do you hear if players being sacked?
The concerns re current professionalism, plus the negative reaction from a portion of the fan base, plus him being 32, and I’d lean towards not going near him |
"1. So Ched Evans has been proved innocent, right?
Wrong. You’d be forgiven for thinking this, given that it was in the prepared statement read out by his solicitor, but Ched Evans has not “demonstrated his innocence”. That is not how our criminal justice system operates. It is not a means by which the truth of a situation or event is conclusively and fully determined. Rather the jury are asked one simple question — are you sure that the prosecution has proved its case beyond reasonable doubt (or, as juries are commonly instructed, so that you are sure)? “Not guilty” means just that. The jury were not sure that he was guilty. They may have decided that he was totally, utterly innocent, but we don’t know. All we know is that they considered the evidence, and were less than sure of his guilt. As I tell juries in every closing speech — if you think the defendant probably did it, he’s still not guilty. "
https://thesecretbarrister.com/2016/10/14/10-myths-busted-about-the-ched-evans-c |  |
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| Ched Evans on 22:26 - Jan 3 with 2821 views | itfcjoe |
| Ched Evans on 21:38 - Jan 3 by m14_blue |
Not sure I’ve ever disagreed with you really before Joe but I passionately and absolutely refute your first sentence.
He was found not guilty, no one’s disputing that.
However, how anyone can read what happened that night (even by his own account used in his defence) and still want him representing our club is beyond me.
He’s the most infamous scumbag in football and seeing him in an Ipswich shirt would just drag us even further into the gutter.
God knows, we’ve little enough to be proud of at the moment but this would be something else. |
I wrote a long reply which I’ve lost - but crux was it’s not a hill I’m willing to die on. But so much grotty behaviour goes on as evidenced by Walker, Foden, Mendy just for 3 examples from one club in recent weeks. Then things like drink driving by our own number 10, cheating on partners and families etc
What people get off on is up to them behind closed doors, the fact that Supreme Court ruled that specific evidence of her sexual history was valid tells its own story as to what sort of people we are talking about here. It’s not good behaviour by moral code, but he’s just someone who has had it play out in public. | |
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| Ched Evans on 22:29 - Jan 3 with 2816 views | itfcjoe |
| Ched Evans on 21:56 - Jan 3 by jeera |
"1. So Ched Evans has been proved innocent, right?
Wrong. You’d be forgiven for thinking this, given that it was in the prepared statement read out by his solicitor, but Ched Evans has not “demonstrated his innocence”. That is not how our criminal justice system operates. It is not a means by which the truth of a situation or event is conclusively and fully determined. Rather the jury are asked one simple question — are you sure that the prosecution has proved its case beyond reasonable doubt (or, as juries are commonly instructed, so that you are sure)? “Not guilty” means just that. The jury were not sure that he was guilty. They may have decided that he was totally, utterly innocent, but we don’t know. All we know is that they considered the evidence, and were less than sure of his guilt. As I tell juries in every closing speech — if you think the defendant probably did it, he’s still not guilty. "
https://thesecretbarrister.com/2016/10/14/10-myths-busted-about-the-ched-evans-c |
Where did I say he was innocent? | |
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| Ched Evans on 22:34 - Jan 3 with 2806 views | jeera |
| Ched Evans on 22:29 - Jan 3 by itfcjoe |
Where did I say he was innocent? |
I never said you did. That bit is quoted from the article.
I'm saying it's a damn good reason to still not feel a need to accept the verdict on face value. | |
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| Ched Evans on 22:36 - Jan 3 with 2797 views | m14_blue |
| Ched Evans on 22:26 - Jan 3 by itfcjoe |
I wrote a long reply which I’ve lost - but crux was it’s not a hill I’m willing to die on. But so much grotty behaviour goes on as evidenced by Walker, Foden, Mendy just for 3 examples from one club in recent weeks. Then things like drink driving by our own number 10, cheating on partners and families etc
What people get off on is up to them behind closed doors, the fact that Supreme Court ruled that specific evidence of her sexual history was valid tells its own story as to what sort of people we are talking about here. It’s not good behaviour by moral code, but he’s just someone who has had it play out in public. |
I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
You have a point in a purely dispassionate way but if you take away passion then supporting a football club makes no sense anyway. I want Ipswich to be better than other clubs and have standards of morality, even if that’s out of step with modern football.
I want my daughter to grow up idolising our players and how is that compatible with having a striker who we know treats women like that? | | | |
| Ched Evans on 22:56 - Jan 3 with 2773 views | itfcjoe |
| Ched Evans on 22:36 - Jan 3 by m14_blue |
I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
You have a point in a purely dispassionate way but if you take away passion then supporting a football club makes no sense anyway. I want Ipswich to be better than other clubs and have standards of morality, even if that’s out of step with modern football.
I want my daughter to grow up idolising our players and how is that compatible with having a striker who we know treats women like that? |
Not fair to name individuals but sadly we’ve had players and managers in recent and far history who may have been idolised for on pitch behaviour but certainly wouldn’t be off the pitch - guess difference is his is known in more detail.
From a footballing and professionalism point of view I’d personally say his recent sacking is a far bigger ‘Red flag’.
There were dozens of threads about this back in the day, and those against him consistently said that he’s been found guilty in court and that was the final verdict and that those involved in trial know more about it etc, but that doesn’t seem to go both ways. | |
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| Ched Evans on 22:58 - Jan 3 with 2772 views | itfcjoe |
| Ched Evans on 22:34 - Jan 3 by jeera |
I never said you did. That bit is quoted from the article.
I'm saying it's a damn good reason to still not feel a need to accept the verdict on face value. |
But that can surely be said for any case ever? I think that excellent piece from Secret Barrister reveals a lot about the case - ultimately though he was acquitted | |
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| Ched Evans on 09:19 - Jan 4 with 2595 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Why not Adam Johnson while we are at it?! | | | |
| Ched Evans on 09:43 - Jan 4 with 2572 views | JammyDodgerrr |
I think if a player has been sacked by a club managed by Joey Barton, for disciplinary issues, probably a sign you should stay well away. He could score 100 goals and i still wouldn't want him here. |  |
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| Ched Evans on 12:15 - Jan 4 with 2492 views | Radlett_blue |
| Ched Evans on 09:43 - Jan 4 by JammyDodgerrr |
I think if a player has been sacked by a club managed by Joey Barton, for disciplinary issues, probably a sign you should stay well away. He could score 100 goals and i still wouldn't want him here. |
Hmm..I can imagine plenty of reasonable men falling out with Joey Barton. |  |
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| Ched Evans on 11:20 - Jan 6 with 2360 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Ched Evans on 12:15 - Jan 4 by Radlett_blue |
Hmm..I can imagine plenty of reasonable men falling out with Joey Barton. |
What i meant was, Joey Barton as a player/person had a huge amount of disciplinary issues, even as a manager with the whole Stendel thing a few years ago. If *he* is sacking someone for disciplinary issues, it can't be good. | |
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