| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK 16:13 - Jan 8 with 6084 views | Darth_Koont |
We’ve even seen the UK warning signs over the last 5 years or so, as this article points out.
https://tribunemag.co.uk/2021/01/americas-capitol-riots-could-come-to-britain-to
One particular aspect that jumps out is that 45% of Republicans supported the siege even seeing the footage. That’s not extremism in the classic image of loons on the fringe but this is saying that there’s a foundation of normalised support – and I definitely think we’ve seen a similar mainstream radicalisation in the UK around Brexit and identity issues. Coupled with the rapid rise in far-right domestic terrorism and an already flawed, untrusted democracy, it doesn’t seem we’re a massive leap away from something major if the “wrong” people get into power. Or even just challenge the narrative like BLM did.
The latest addition of GB News and News UK TV into an already over-represented right-wing media, the new BBC Chairman and Director General both being Tories and the government being Tory itself don’t mean that the sting is taken out of it and that people will stand down. Quite the opposite – this is part and parcel of the normalisation that will embolden extremism. In fact there may be a battle over consumers and voters (and giving people what they want) that confirms beliefs and pushes the nationalism, identity and othering even further.
And on that cheery note, time for a Friday beer and the start of the weekend! COYB! 😀
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| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 20:38 - Jan 8 with 861 views | Darth_Koont |
| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 20:33 - Jan 8 by giant_stow |
Well that's very kind(!) but what's silly about drawing a comparison between claims of vote rigging from different ends of the spectrum?! [Post edited 8 Jan 2021 20:35]
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Lay out your case then.
Extra points if you can actually link it to the OP. | |
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| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 20:41 - Jan 8 with 856 views | giant_stow |
| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 20:38 - Jan 8 by Darth_Koont |
Lay out your case then.
Extra points if you can actually link it to the OP. |
That's it already mr! Dangerous conspiracy theories can come from left or right, especially when each side believes the other to be scum. |  |
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| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 20:44 - Jan 8 with 843 views | monytowbray |
| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 20:41 - Jan 8 by giant_stow |
That's it already mr! Dangerous conspiracy theories can come from left or right, especially when each side believes the other to be scum. |
What is a “left wing conspiracy theory” exactly?
Almost anything that becomes based on fiction tends to automatically lean into fascist territory. Unless you want to tell me we aren’t REALLY governed by inept criminals and the corporations do have our best interests at heart. |  |
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| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 20:45 - Jan 8 with 843 views | Darth_Koont |
| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 20:41 - Jan 8 by giant_stow |
That's it already mr! Dangerous conspiracy theories can come from left or right, especially when each side believes the other to be scum. |
FFS don’t “both sides” it.
You ARE better than that. Even I think so. | |
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| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 20:48 - Jan 8 with 821 views | jeera |
| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 20:41 - Jan 8 by giant_stow |
That's it already mr! Dangerous conspiracy theories can come from left or right, especially when each side believes the other to be scum. |
You really need to be offering up some examples and, even more so, some reasoning for even trying to find an equivalence surely? |  |
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| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 21:05 - Jan 8 with 793 views | giant_stow |
| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 20:44 - Jan 8 by monytowbray |
What is a “left wing conspiracy theory” exactly?
Almost anything that becomes based on fiction tends to automatically lean into fascist territory. Unless you want to tell me we aren’t REALLY governed by inept criminals and the corporations do have our best interests at heart. |
That's a bit naughty mr. I didn't say 'left wing conspiracy theory', so you shouldn't put that in quotes. I said conspiracy theories can come from either side and given you an example of shared one: the Scots nats 6 years back and the American republicans now. Same unfounded grievance, expressed by each end of the political spectrum. [Post edited 8 Jan 2021 21:18]
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| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 21:08 - Jan 8 with 784 views | jeera |
| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 21:05 - Jan 8 by giant_stow |
That's a bit naughty mr. I didn't say 'left wing conspiracy theory', so you shouldn't put that in quotes. I said conspiracy theories can come from either side and given you an example of shared one: the Scots nats 6 years back and the American republicans now. Same unfounded grievance, expressed by each end of the political spectrum. [Post edited 8 Jan 2021 21:18]
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I'm struggling to see how this equates to 'each side'.
Though I'm happy to admit I might be missing something.
Why does there have to be an attempt to find a balance between a whole bunch of racist bigots in the US who are so thick and twisted that they believe the rantings of a dictator and some Scottish civilians who disagreed with a vote some years ago. | |
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| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 21:18 - Jan 8 with 767 views | giant_stow |
| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 21:08 - Jan 8 by jeera |
I'm struggling to see how this equates to 'each side'.
Though I'm happy to admit I might be missing something.
Why does there have to be an attempt to find a balance between a whole bunch of racist bigots in the US who are so thick and twisted that they believe the rantings of a dictator and some Scottish civilians who disagreed with a vote some years ago. |
I'm not trying to say that both the Scottish nats and American republicans are equally guilty. The republicans have blood on their hands and have clearly taken their poor behaviour to new depths. I'm merely pointing out that *people* are the common denominator, not one end or other of political thought and given an example of a shared failing. | |
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| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 21:22 - Jan 8 with 761 views | giant_stow |
| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 21:08 - Jan 8 by Darth_Koont |
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I had to Google that! | |
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| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 21:22 - Jan 8 with 760 views | Darth_Koont |
| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 21:08 - Jan 8 by jeera |
I'm struggling to see how this equates to 'each side'.
Though I'm happy to admit I might be missing something.
Why does there have to be an attempt to find a balance between a whole bunch of racist bigots in the US who are so thick and twisted that they believe the rantings of a dictator and some Scottish civilians who disagreed with a vote some years ago. |
Indeed. Even as someone who was pro-Independence in 2014 the vote rigging fantasy passed me by.
Ullaa like GB is always trying to find an angle. But when they take a shot it’s always a Nerf gun.
They should address their own fears about life before projecting them on everyone else. | |
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| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 21:25 - Jan 8 with 755 views | Darth_Koont |
| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 21:18 - Jan 8 by giant_stow |
I'm not trying to say that both the Scottish nats and American republicans are equally guilty. The republicans have blood on their hands and have clearly taken their poor behaviour to new depths. I'm merely pointing out that *people* are the common denominator, not one end or other of political thought and given an example of a shared failing. |
But you are people. And, politically, one of the most easily manipulated on here. | |
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| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 21:31 - Jan 8 with 748 views | m14_blue |
| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 21:18 - Jan 8 by giant_stow |
I'm not trying to say that both the Scottish nats and American republicans are equally guilty. The republicans have blood on their hands and have clearly taken their poor behaviour to new depths. I'm merely pointing out that *people* are the common denominator, not one end or other of political thought and given an example of a shared failing. |
The problem at the moment is with a wave of right wing populism across the globe isn’t it?
I don’t really get your point. |  | | |
| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 21:31 - Jan 8 with 748 views | giant_stow |
| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 21:22 - Jan 8 by Darth_Koont |
Indeed. Even as someone who was pro-Independence in 2014 the vote rigging fantasy passed me by.
Ullaa like GB is always trying to find an angle. But when they take a shot it’s always a Nerf gun.
They should address their own fears about life before projecting them on everyone else. |
As it happens, I just bought myself a nerf gun under the cover of a Christmas present for my littleun. They really do shoot hard and fast! Great fun.
Anyway, i can see why being compared to the republicans is probably a bit repulsive, but im not trying to say the snp were as bad. Their complaints about voting irregularities weren't pushed nearly as hard or from so high as Trump. My point is just that they both whined about voting fraud, no more, no less. | |
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| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 21:32 - Jan 8 with 747 views | jeera |
| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 21:18 - Jan 8 by giant_stow |
I'm not trying to say that both the Scottish nats and American republicans are equally guilty. The republicans have blood on their hands and have clearly taken their poor behaviour to new depths. I'm merely pointing out that *people* are the common denominator, not one end or other of political thought and given an example of a shared failing. |
I'm not getting it, sorry.
It doesn't need pointing out that some people are a bit sh1t, or that others just disagree a bit on some matters - we know that.
We are in some dark times and looking for things to compare right now isn't at all helpful or of much use. | |
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| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 21:36 - Jan 8 with 739 views | monytowbray |
| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 21:18 - Jan 8 by giant_stow |
I'm not trying to say that both the Scottish nats and American republicans are equally guilty. The republicans have blood on their hands and have clearly taken their poor behaviour to new depths. I'm merely pointing out that *people* are the common denominator, not one end or other of political thought and given an example of a shared failing. |
People don’t create conspiracies. The machine that promotes them does. | |
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| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 21:38 - Jan 8 with 737 views | giant_stow |
| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 21:32 - Jan 8 by jeera |
I'm not getting it, sorry.
It doesn't need pointing out that some people are a bit sh1t, or that others just disagree a bit on some matters - we know that.
We are in some dark times and looking for things to compare right now isn't at all helpful or of much use. |
Fair enough on one hand mr, I do see why you're of that opinion.
To me though, I just think trying to remember that the other side, be that left or right, needs to be tolerated (that word again). Part of being able to tolerate the other side is to remember that your own isn't perfect. Ie, why I've been banging on about this. [Post edited 8 Jan 2021 21:39]
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| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 22:06 - Jan 8 with 715 views | lowhouseblue |
this is a bit weird though:
"Black Lives Matter protester among Capitol rioters
A prominent left-wing activist from Utah was among the pro-Trump mob, according to multiple videos from Wednesday's invasion of the Capitol.
But John Sullivan, 26, says he was just there to "document" it.
Sullivan is the founder of Insurgence USA, which calls itself "a group for racial justice and police reform".
In a series of media appearances after the riot, he defended his involvement, saying it was important for people "to see the truth" and "see it raw".
When air force veteran and Trump supporter Ashli Babbitt was shot inside the building - the first known casualty of the violence - Sullivan and an associate were at close range. They later provided video to the Washington Post.
Sullivan - who currently faces two criminal charges that stem from a separate protest in Utah - also spoke to major media outlets, including CNN and Fox News, on Wednesday and Thursday.
Following these appearances, he was briefly detained by DC police, but he does not appear to have been arrested and formally charged for his role in the security breach." |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 22:24 - Jan 8 with 688 views | monytowbray |
| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 22:06 - Jan 8 by lowhouseblue |
this is a bit weird though:
"Black Lives Matter protester among Capitol rioters
A prominent left-wing activist from Utah was among the pro-Trump mob, according to multiple videos from Wednesday's invasion of the Capitol.
But John Sullivan, 26, says he was just there to "document" it.
Sullivan is the founder of Insurgence USA, which calls itself "a group for racial justice and police reform".
In a series of media appearances after the riot, he defended his involvement, saying it was important for people "to see the truth" and "see it raw".
When air force veteran and Trump supporter Ashli Babbitt was shot inside the building - the first known casualty of the violence - Sullivan and an associate were at close range. They later provided video to the Washington Post.
Sullivan - who currently faces two criminal charges that stem from a separate protest in Utah - also spoke to major media outlets, including CNN and Fox News, on Wednesday and Thursday.
Following these appearances, he was briefly detained by DC police, but he does not appear to have been arrested and formally charged for his role in the security breach." |
What’s weird about it exactly? What are you suggesting? | |
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| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 22:27 - Jan 8 with 680 views | SpruceMoose |
| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 22:06 - Jan 8 by lowhouseblue |
this is a bit weird though:
"Black Lives Matter protester among Capitol rioters
A prominent left-wing activist from Utah was among the pro-Trump mob, according to multiple videos from Wednesday's invasion of the Capitol.
But John Sullivan, 26, says he was just there to "document" it.
Sullivan is the founder of Insurgence USA, which calls itself "a group for racial justice and police reform".
In a series of media appearances after the riot, he defended his involvement, saying it was important for people "to see the truth" and "see it raw".
When air force veteran and Trump supporter Ashli Babbitt was shot inside the building - the first known casualty of the violence - Sullivan and an associate were at close range. They later provided video to the Washington Post.
Sullivan - who currently faces two criminal charges that stem from a separate protest in Utah - also spoke to major media outlets, including CNN and Fox News, on Wednesday and Thursday.
Following these appearances, he was briefly detained by DC police, but he does not appear to have been arrested and formally charged for his role in the security breach." |
Why do you think so? |  |
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| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 22:29 - Jan 8 with 679 views | longtimefan |
| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 21:36 - Jan 8 by monytowbray |
People don’t create conspiracies. The machine that promotes them does. |
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| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 22:30 - Jan 8 with 679 views | lowhouseblue |
| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 22:24 - Jan 8 by monytowbray |
What’s weird about it exactly? What are you suggesting? |
you don't think a blm protestor invading the capitol as part of a pro-trump insurrection is a bit weird? ok then.
it's fromthe bbc. it strikes me as an act of extreme stupidity rather then anything more sinister. but i'm guessing you're ok with extreme stupidity? [Post edited 8 Jan 2021 22:31]
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| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 22:32 - Jan 8 with 674 views | monytowbray |
| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 22:30 - Jan 8 by lowhouseblue |
you don't think a blm protestor invading the capitol as part of a pro-trump insurrection is a bit weird? ok then.
it's fromthe bbc. it strikes me as an act of extreme stupidity rather then anything more sinister. but i'm guessing you're ok with extreme stupidity? [Post edited 8 Jan 2021 22:31]
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Mate. Mate. Mate.
Have a word with yourself. | |
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| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 22:35 - Jan 8 with 666 views | lowhouseblue |
| I think the Capitol siege is a decent warning for the UK on 22:32 - Jan 8 by monytowbray |
Mate. Mate. Mate.
Have a word with yourself. |
do feel free to explain why being in the capitol during a pro-trump insurrection is a good thing? [Post edited 8 Jan 2021 22:39]
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| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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