| New manager - what do people expect to change? 15:58 - Jan 12 with 3658 views | NorthLondonBlue2 |
So, the drumbeat of 'sack the manager' has started up again.
Seriously, what do people think will change and be different with a new manager in League 1 (Division 3) in 2021 from all of the managerial appointments from the sacking of Burley onwards?
There's far less money around now than before, so forget about any major new signings.
Is it just that a new manager will be so superior with tactics and our current squad that the results will be radically different? The catalogue of injuries, and injury-prone players will evaporate?
Hard to see this as anything other than the latest stage in the club's ongoing death spiral. |  | | |  |
| New manager - what do people expect to change? on 17:38 - Jan 12 with 557 views | tractorboy1978 |
| New manager - what do people expect to change? on 16:35 - Jan 12 by TieDyedIn95 |
What worries me is this.
Within a few months of taking the Ipswich job, Lambert went from being genuinely passionate, enthusiastic, caring, fighting and positive about turning this club around to looking like a beaten, irritable and broken man. When he started his sleeves were rolled up and he was looking willing to get the work done. We were all enthused as a result. Just 2 months into the 2019-20 season and it was a different man.
The question I raise is how much of that is Lambert, who came in like a divine wind, a savior, and is now a broken shell of his former self ... and how much is it to do with Marcus Evans and Lee O'Neil's total mis-management of the club behind the scenes just causing Lambert to in effect, give up? In any other form of work when you have a new employee come in superbly and then within months fall into that state, it's usually the fault of the people that person is working for. Poor leadership is usually the cause and a toxic work environment the root of it.
That feeling of defeat, mediocrity acceptance from Evans, trickles down to Lambert and then the players. Lambert hasn't done a good job, but have the conditions existed behind the scenes to enable a good job to even be done? I doubt it. We might have the 2nd biggest budget in the league but if you have someone steering the ship who's blind, your still going to hit the rocks regardless of how good the ship is, or how good the crew are. We've been told that the owner will not compromise on the style of play, but he shouldn't be dictating that aside from a broad goal to the manager. If Lambert is being hemmed in by a football hobbyist-owner like we have seen at so many other clubs then there will be little else that any new manager can do either.
Let's look at the facts, Evans left Mick to run the club until he left. He was largely hands off. Once Mick wasn't rehired after an absolute fiasco of a situation where the former manager was still managing the team rather than a new manager - which would have allowed a new man to have gotten a taste of the league/team ahead of the new season - and then quit, Evans decided to take a more direct role in running the club. He, replaced the experienced Milne with O'Neil (a PE Teacher) and hired Hurst. Since Evans has had this more hands on role, we have seen two managers, a relegation and back to back seasons in the third division for the first time since the 1950's - so while I accept Lambert has failed, all signs do in fact point to the man at the top being entirely to blame for this mess.
Evans is the problem. |
Lambert didn't 'come in superbly' on the pitch though. Off it, yes, but not on it. We saw no new manager bounce in results. But despite the limp relegation, people were in good spirits at the start of 19/20 - we had a decent pre-season, Evans backed Lambert in the transfer market, we started the season on fire (results wise anyway) and the majority were singing Lambert's name.
Things started going wrong when he started tinkering, trying to be too clever with rotation of the squad and formation. He rapidly lost the fans, the players and the local media. He started looking for excuses and people to blame. Despite his public bravado he is very thin skinned and it's no surprise we are seeing a totally different PL to the one that came in.
Evans is the reason we are nowhere near the Premier League but Lambert is the reason we aren't going to get out of L1. | | | |
| New manager - what do people expect to change? on 17:50 - Jan 12 with 550 views | Dyland |
| New manager - what do people expect to change? on 16:08 - Jan 12 by homer_123 |
'Anyone who looks at how this squad of players and how Lambert is setting them up and thinks he is doing a serviceable job is beyond help.'
Evans? |
A good response by Joers to the OP, including a quite superb analogy, and an even better reply by your good self to Joers.
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| New manager - what do people expect to change? on 00:03 - Jan 13 with 485 views | TieDyedIn95 |
| New manager - what do people expect to change? on 17:38 - Jan 12 by tractorboy1978 |
Lambert didn't 'come in superbly' on the pitch though. Off it, yes, but not on it. We saw no new manager bounce in results. But despite the limp relegation, people were in good spirits at the start of 19/20 - we had a decent pre-season, Evans backed Lambert in the transfer market, we started the season on fire (results wise anyway) and the majority were singing Lambert's name.
Things started going wrong when he started tinkering, trying to be too clever with rotation of the squad and formation. He rapidly lost the fans, the players and the local media. He started looking for excuses and people to blame. Despite his public bravado he is very thin skinned and it's no surprise we are seeing a totally different PL to the one that came in.
Evans is the reason we are nowhere near the Premier League but Lambert is the reason we aren't going to get out of L1. |
I am not sure by offloading your highest earner and best player and replacing him with Holy a bang average League One goalie for free, James Wilson because we had no cover also for free, Norwood from League Two on a free transfer and then spending a whopping £500k on Vincent Young (whos played 9 games) is really much of a backing in the transfer market. It's average at best. Do you think if Lambert had his way, lets say he replaced Mick instead of Hurst half of this crud would even be here?
Coventry City, the Champions by comparison spent less on wages but signed something like 13 players between 2019-20 and spent fees on 4 or 5 of them. We need to look at what they did, how they recruited, who's finding those gems, how they played and worked rather than stick to the same old strategy.
If Evans remains we won't get out of this league, regardless of whos managing the team. Lambert has failed, but our squad isn't as good as people make out. It's performing about the level it would given it's mostly youth players and players signed from bang average League One and Two sides. If you have a better players than the rest of the league, like Coventry, you get promoted. We do not. |  |
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| New manager - what do people expect to change? on 01:29 - Jan 13 with 461 views | HighgateBlue |
| New manager - what do people expect to change? on 16:06 - Jan 12 by Steve_M |
You're correct that a new manager is not a panacea but it comes down to a simple question: is Lambert getting the most that any competent manager could out of these players.
He clearly isn't, he got more out of them at the start of this season and - without believing every rumour - has lost the respect of most of the players. A new manager does not need to excel tactically or motivationally to be better than Lambert at the moment.
The Sky commentators seemed surprised to see us struggle on Saturday, yet we have all seen it several times before this season. We are already looking at a third season in this division without a change and it may well be a lot longer. |
MM got the most out of the players that we had. But that was not the yardstick that many fans wanted to measure him against. So, sadly I don't think many agree with your "simple question". (I do, for what it's worth...) |  | | |
| Given the current situation, I'd probably.... on 02:28 - Jan 13 with 441 views | Ryorry |
| Given the current situation, I'd probably.... on 16:41 - Jan 12 by Bloots |
....happily go without that trait.
I'd take any old scumbag that can get us out of this league.
He's a football manager, not my Dad. |
ME might as well have appointed The Night Manager as PL, he'd probably have done better.
Just finished watching the re-run of the last 2 eps on BC4 - cracking series that. |  |
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| New manager - what do people expect to change? on 08:49 - Jan 13 with 399 views | BryanPlug |
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| New manager - what do people expect to change? on 09:48 - Jan 13 with 375 views | tractorboy1978 |
| New manager - what do people expect to change? on 00:03 - Jan 13 by TieDyedIn95 |
I am not sure by offloading your highest earner and best player and replacing him with Holy a bang average League One goalie for free, James Wilson because we had no cover also for free, Norwood from League Two on a free transfer and then spending a whopping £500k on Vincent Young (whos played 9 games) is really much of a backing in the transfer market. It's average at best. Do you think if Lambert had his way, lets say he replaced Mick instead of Hurst half of this crud would even be here?
Coventry City, the Champions by comparison spent less on wages but signed something like 13 players between 2019-20 and spent fees on 4 or 5 of them. We need to look at what they did, how they recruited, who's finding those gems, how they played and worked rather than stick to the same old strategy.
If Evans remains we won't get out of this league, regardless of whos managing the team. Lambert has failed, but our squad isn't as good as people make out. It's performing about the level it would given it's mostly youth players and players signed from bang average League One and Two sides. If you have a better players than the rest of the league, like Coventry, you get promoted. We do not. |
Are they better players or are they better coached? Do you think we have a worse squad than Lincoln? A team totally rebuilt in the summer comprising of relatively cheap freebies and young loanees. Lambert is getting nowhere near the potential out of this squad. And by L1 standards it is a very good squad.
Norwood was wanted by Championship clubs.
KVY looked the best RB in the division - and £500k - not many L1 clubs lay out that fee.
Garbutt wouldn't have been a cheap loan deal.
Norris wouldn't have been a cheap loan deal | | | |
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