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Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition 11:23 - Jan 13 with 2661 viewsGlasgowBlue


“A man must be excessively stupid, as well as uncharitable, who believes that there is no virtue but on his own side, and that there are not men as honest as himself who may differ from him in political principles”.
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Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 18:39 - Jan 13 with 438 viewsGlasgowBlue

Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 18:21 - Jan 13 by itfcjoe

Yea, Corbyn did such a good job at going after the Tories when in opposition


In fairness it takes a lot to get ex miners in places like Bolsover to brave the pissing rain to vote Tory.

I can think of another Labour leader who could achieve that.

“A man must be excessively stupid, as well as uncharitable, who believes that there is no virtue but on his own side, and that there are not men as honest as himself who may differ from him in political principles”.
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Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 18:44 - Jan 13 with 420 viewsDarth_Koont

Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 18:39 - Jan 13 by GlasgowBlue

In fairness it takes a lot to get ex miners in places like Bolsover to brave the pissing rain to vote Tory.

I can think of another Labour leader who could achieve that.


Blair? Starmer? Kinnock?

Spill the beans. I’m on tenterhooks.
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Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 18:47 - Jan 13 with 411 viewsgordon

Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 18:30 - Jan 13 by itfcjoe

He was generally poor at PMQs, when he did forge an opening to hammer something home and twist knife he retreated or went down a different path. He got better towards end but struggles to control anger and wasn’t at all good at the cut and thrust compared to how he was when campaigning in 17


I thought that Corbyn's overly-sensitive, passive aggressive response to interviewees was a really, really big problem:

This kind of stuff:
https://news.sky.com/video/jeremy-corbyn-sighs-and-rolls-eyes-as-he-is-asked-abo
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Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 18:57 - Jan 13 with 390 viewstractorboyjames

Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 18:09 - Jan 13 by monytowbray

I mean, if the choice is Tories or a Tory version of Labour that Glassers will vote for we really need democratic reform for fair representation over FFPT.

The planet will struggle to survive on watered down green policies that still favour lobbying corporations.

But then again Biden has been the furthest left nominated Democratic of my lifetime in terms of presentation through the election cycle. The majority actually support socialist ideas when surveyed, but they are also ruled by fear, poor education, propaganda and general racism. It’s nice to see that habit broken somewhat for the USA.

I’d be interested to see how these 4 years pan out but as the older voters die off and the young get more fed up in numbers this country will go the same way. The 18-24 vote was red as f*ck in December 2019.
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“ut as the older voters die off and the young get more fed up in numbers this country will go the same way. The 18-24 vote was red as f*ck in December 2019.”

That’s what they said in 2017 as well!

But also it ignores a couple of facts:-
I) that age demographic always votes that way (Admittedly now with a much better turnout at the ballot box)
II) we have a rapidly ageing population which means the 18-24 block will become less significant.
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Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 20:05 - Jan 13 with 345 viewsmonytowbray

Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 18:21 - Jan 13 by itfcjoe

Yea, Corbyn did such a good job at going after the Tories when in opposition


He did, but people didn’t want to pay attention.

Because he didn’t say it politely in a suit.

The truth is not the midpoint between a fact and a lie.
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Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 20:09 - Jan 13 with 338 viewsmonytowbray

Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 18:39 - Jan 13 by GlasgowBlue

In fairness it takes a lot to get ex miners in places like Bolsover to brave the pissing rain to vote Tory.

I can think of another Labour leader who could achieve that.


Facebook and Bannon/Mercer did that.

You were complicit. And still haven’t worked that out yet.

The truth is not the midpoint between a fact and a lie.
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Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 21:04 - Jan 13 with 313 viewssyntaxerror

Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 11:47 - Jan 13 by footers

Williamson said this an hour ago:

"The minister for children [Vicky Ford] met with Chartwells yesterday. Chartwells made it absolutely clear that this isn’t acceptable and they’ve apologised for this.

We’ll support any school that needs to take action against any contractor and we will name and shame any of those that are not delivering against the standards."

So I'm guessing no retrospective investigation/action will take place.


And the head of Compass will still draw his £4.6mil salary, and continue donating to the Tories.
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Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 21:30 - Jan 13 with 308 viewscatch74

Good pic.

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Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 22:22 - Jan 13 with 289 viewstractordownsouth

Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 11:55 - Jan 13 by GlasgowBlue

Marcus Rashford is a nightmare for this government.

He doesn’t make party political points. He’s always polite when putting across his argument. Doesn’t get abusive or start ranting.

There is no way to deal with him other than to comply.


That's true. However, it's politically convenient that they can announce they've been forced into a U-turn by Rashford and not the Labour Party - despite both campaigning for the same policy.

That's not to take credit away from Rashford though of course, he's used his status to promote a good cause.

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Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 22:34 - Jan 13 with 286 viewstractordownsouth

Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 18:03 - Jan 13 by Darth_Koont

Not sure that’s right at all.

For starters, from Kinnock to Blair’s election took 14 years. That’s even when Labour had a rock-solid foundation of support, especially in the regions and amongst the working class. And that’s now gone thanks to Kinnock and Blair taking the left and socialism/social democracy for granted.

Nowadays, Labour are a busted flush unless they address real problems with progressive solutions. Otherwise they’re just fighting in a centre-right arena already occupied by the LibDems and the Tories. Their only surge in recent decades was through attracting younger voters who wanted change which is where Starmer’s leadership has been particularly poor.

We’re also talking about a digital age, where people are much better informed and engaged outside of the main political parties. Labour have been, and will continue to be, utterly outflanked if they revert to playing politics rather than taking a lead on the real issues affecting the UK and it’s citizens.

And on a side but perhaps most relevant note, the idea that someone like you would push for what the Labour Party “needs” should be enough of a warning. You yearn for ineffective politics and the status quo.


Obviously we've had our disagreements on the rest of it so it's not worth going over but do you have any proof of this statement?

"Their only surge in recent decades was through attracting younger voters who wanted change which is where Starmer’s leadership has been particularly poor."

I've seen no evidence that Labour is less popular among young voters since Corbyn has departed - Labour's general polling is up from the 2019 GE, so presumably that includes an increase in young voters too, so I'm interested to see your workings for this. It seems to be a bit of a myth that all young people were attracted to Labour solely because of Corbyn - sure, there are a few but I know quite a few who backed the party in spite of him, not because of him.

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Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 22:44 - Jan 13 with 280 viewstractordownsouth

Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 20:09 - Jan 13 by monytowbray

Facebook and Bannon/Mercer did that.

You were complicit. And still haven’t worked that out yet.


I agree that Labour gets a rough deal with the majority of media outlets, and the right-wingers seem to have been more successful at social media outreach. But what is your solution to it? It's completely counterproductive to blame all defeats on the media because that ignores the party's own failings and prevents any improvement.

For example, Miliband got screwed over by the bacon sandwich, but imo lost the election early in his term by not challenging the "Labour crashed the economy" myth, which would have given him more credibility to oppose austerity in 2015. Likewise, Corbyn had some nasty headlines, but equally he didn't help himself by picking silly internal battles over the IHRA definition and having his dodgy past connections.

While most papers gave Labour a hammering for stuff and ignored it when the Tories did the same (Anti-semitism/Islamophobia for example) by having those issues, it still gives them the ammunition to print it. It's not as simple as saying that everyone has been brainwashed and giving up - it's Labour's job to offer a positive vision and attack Tory incompetence but also remove any future attack lines which will be hammered home.

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Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 08:11 - Jan 14 with 225 viewsbournemouthblue

Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 11:31 - Jan 13 by clive_baker

Trump did it.


Schwarzenegger to a lesser degree with California either

We live in an era of celebrity really, of Marcus Rashford stood as an MP, he would get elected, of that I have no doubt!

Alcohol is the answer but I can't remember the question!
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Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 11:26 - Jan 14 with 194 viewsbournemouthblue

Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 18:57 - Jan 13 by tractorboyjames

“ut as the older voters die off and the young get more fed up in numbers this country will go the same way. The 18-24 vote was red as f*ck in December 2019.”

That’s what they said in 2017 as well!

But also it ignores a couple of facts:-
I) that age demographic always votes that way (Admittedly now with a much better turnout at the ballot box)
II) we have a rapidly ageing population which means the 18-24 block will become less significant.


I suspect the Tories current handling of CoVid will do for them at the next election

The bubble has finally burst for the Tories, can you see the Red Wall not running back to Labour after this Boris disaster

The Tories only hope will be Rishi who will almost certainly replace Boris before the next election. There were rumours Boris may go in March this year, he hasn't enjoyed being PM much.

Alcohol is the answer but I can't remember the question!
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Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 12:45 - Jan 14 with 172 viewstractorboyjames

Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 11:26 - Jan 14 by bournemouthblue

I suspect the Tories current handling of CoVid will do for them at the next election

The bubble has finally burst for the Tories, can you see the Red Wall not running back to Labour after this Boris disaster

The Tories only hope will be Rishi who will almost certainly replace Boris before the next election. There were rumours Boris may go in March this year, he hasn't enjoyed being PM much.


Totally agree.

But he was hoping for something more progressive/radical.

When/if Labour get elected at the next election it will be very much a moderate/centrist frontbench and manifesto.
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Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 12:55 - Jan 14 with 158 viewsmonytowbray

Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 12:45 - Jan 14 by tractorboyjames

Totally agree.

But he was hoping for something more progressive/radical.

When/if Labour get elected at the next election it will be very much a moderate/centrist frontbench and manifesto.


The problem with people who think they were born to lead and it’s their divine right is they spend all their time giving off the impression they can do it and very little time in learning how to do it.

The truth is not the midpoint between a fact and a lie.
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Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 13:47 - Jan 14 with 137 viewsDarth_Koont

Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 12:55 - Jan 14 by monytowbray

The problem with people who think they were born to lead and it’s their divine right is they spend all their time giving off the impression they can do it and very little time in learning how to do it.


Indeed. It’s that attitude that prepares them far too well to reach the summit of Dunning-Kruger’s Mount Stupid and take actual skills and competence utterly for granted.
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Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 13:54 - Jan 14 with 117 viewstractordownsouth

Looks like we have a new leader of the opposition on 18:57 - Jan 13 by tractorboyjames

“ut as the older voters die off and the young get more fed up in numbers this country will go the same way. The 18-24 vote was red as f*ck in December 2019.”

That’s what they said in 2017 as well!

But also it ignores a couple of facts:-
I) that age demographic always votes that way (Admittedly now with a much better turnout at the ballot box)
II) we have a rapidly ageing population which means the 18-24 block will become less significant.


In fairness, there is some truth to what Callis says. Of course, there is the trend that many people tend to become more Conservative when they're older, but I think I'm right in saying my generation is more left-wing than 18-24 year olds were previously. For example, Thatcher won more of the youth vote than Foot in 1983, so a lot of 55+ will have always voted Tory, rather than switching in their middle age.

I'm sure some will drift right, but the lack of housing and employment security for millenials, which is something that many people from Generation X didn't suffer from*, will probably keep that vote red for a while, unless there are any solutions found in the near future.


* That's just a generalisation of course, I'm not saying everyone from that generation had it easy.
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