| Big day for Donald then 11:27 - Jan 19 with 951 views | BlueNomad |
Plenty of money to be made selling pardons. Hopefully it will keep his mind off bombing Iran......or China |  | | |  |
| Big day for Donald then on 11:29 - Jan 19 with 916 views | Bluefish |
Surelyomey for pardons should be viewed the same or worse as cash for questions?
Although lobbying is a grey area and presumably US rules are different. The whole donations and money to MPs is ridiculous |  |
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| Big day for Donald then on 11:30 - Jan 19 with 918 views | Mookamoo |
The shining beacon of democracy we expect the rest of the tin pot dictators to follow.
Absolute mess of a system. |  | | |
| Big day for Donald then on 11:38 - Jan 19 with 888 views | BlueNomad |
From CNN:
President Donald Trump will be gone tomorrow.
For millions of people in America and around the world, the departure of a White House wannabe autocrat who spent four years living inside everybody’s head means the end of a long nightmare.
But Joe Biden’s inauguration on Wednesday will be a day of dispossession for millions more Americans who saw Trump as a lone leader who voiced their fear that the modern world scorns their religion, culture, livelihoods and patriotism.
When people look at Trump and say, “This is not America,” they are wrong. His presidency personified a gap between America’s liberal, urban, multiracial citizens and their White, rural, conservative counterparts. And his great sin as President was that he didn’t try to build common bonds and language between an internally estranged people. Instead, he exploited the divide.
These facts are indisputable: Trump destroyed millions of people’s faith in the US political system by refusing to accept his election defeat and inciting an insurrection against Congress. He inspired radical, far right White nationalists. He lied every day. His “beautiful” health care plan was a sick myth. He torched America’s global reputation. And he incessantly exploited his job to boost his business, reversing President John Kennedy’s admonition, “Ask not what your country can do for you -- ask what you can do for your country.”
Trump did often raise questions that conventional politicians dodged: Shouldn’t the US be tougher on an increasingly hostile China? When will someone actually help ghost towns in the Midwest and the South where industries died at the hands of elite free traders? Why don’t prosperous Europeans pay more for their own defense? What is the sense in sending heartland Americans to die in the Middle East?
But he never answered these questions. And for all Trump’s championing of “forgotten” Americans, his sole big legislative win was huge tax cuts for corporations and his rich cronies.
Trump mythologizes his skill as a builder, but he will be remembered for destruction. After losing the White House, the House and the Senate, being impeached twice and throwing tens of thousands of lives into the teeth of the pandemic, this one-termer has earned his inevitable historic ignominy as one of the worst US presidents, if not the worst. | | | |
| Big day for Donald then on 11:46 - Jan 19 with 856 views | davblue |
The end of his term can't come quick enough.
I will miss the press conferences and the content as they were very laughable until you realised the implications of what he was saying.
I really hope him and his family get convicted of something should it be proved they've done wrong their comeuppance is long overdue. |  | | |
| Big day for Donald then on 11:56 - Jan 19 with 807 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Big day for Donald then on 11:29 - Jan 19 by Bluefish |
Surelyomey for pardons should be viewed the same or worse as cash for questions?
Although lobbying is a grey area and presumably US rules are different. The whole donations and money to MPs is ridiculous |
Bizarrely, cash for pardons is completely legal.
Lobbyists are allowed to take payment to lobby the President to make their case. |  | | |
| Big day for Donald then on 11:57 - Jan 19 with 797 views | Bluefish |
| Big day for Donald then on 11:56 - Jan 19 by ElderGrizzly |
Bizarrely, cash for pardons is completely legal.
Lobbyists are allowed to take payment to lobby the President to make their case. |
Scandalous | |
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| Big day for Donald then on 12:31 - Jan 19 with 754 views | BlueBadger |
Apparently he's bringing in Kerplunk to play on his last day. |  |
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| Big day for Donald then on 12:32 - Jan 19 with 752 views | tractordownsouth |
Stupid question but can he give out pardons to grant immunity from future investigations or is he limited to people who have already been charged.
If not, that might be a way out of his financial dispute with Giuliani. Trump gives him a pardon for his role in the Capitol riots in exchange for waiving payments for his services |  |
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| Big day for Donald then on 12:46 - Jan 19 with 720 views | factual_blue |
donald is a good egg really. |  |
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| Big day for Donald then on 12:59 - Jan 19 with 696 views | Mookamoo |
| Big day for Donald then on 12:32 - Jan 19 by tractordownsouth |
Stupid question but can he give out pardons to grant immunity from future investigations or is he limited to people who have already been charged.
If not, that might be a way out of his financial dispute with Giuliani. Trump gives him a pardon for his role in the Capitol riots in exchange for waiving payments for his services |
He can give anyone a preemptive pardon to excuse them from any historical federal crimes.
It's basically what Ford did for Nixon. Nixon was never actually charged with a crime.
The real question is if he is going to do that for himself. | | | |
| Big day for Donald then on 14:28 - Jan 19 with 623 views | Churchman |
| Big day for Donald then on 11:30 - Jan 19 by Mookamoo |
The shining beacon of democracy we expect the rest of the tin pot dictators to follow.
Absolute mess of a system. |
It’s flawed. Every democratic system is. But unlike Putin and the other dictatorships or totalitarian regimes, an idiot like Trump can be got rid of. And after 4 years that’s what happened. So yes, in my view it is a model that can be followed and improved upon. |  | | |
| Big day for Donald then on 14:43 - Jan 19 with 602 views | bluewark |
| Big day for Donald then on 11:29 - Jan 19 by Bluefish |
Surelyomey for pardons should be viewed the same or worse as cash for questions?
Although lobbying is a grey area and presumably US rules are different. The whole donations and money to MPs is ridiculous |
I have heard T.W.T.D. have put Phils name forward for a complete pardon |  | | |
| Big day for Donald then on 14:54 - Jan 19 with 592 views | Mookamoo |
| Big day for Donald then on 14:28 - Jan 19 by Churchman |
It’s flawed. Every democratic system is. But unlike Putin and the other dictatorships or totalitarian regimes, an idiot like Trump can be got rid of. And after 4 years that’s what happened. So yes, in my view it is a model that can be followed and improved upon. |
When I set up the Democratic Republic of Mid Suffolk, their system will be pretty far down the list of once to copy.
I know all democracies have to appoint their judiciary somehow, but the way the US goes about it is madness. I've never been a fan of out Royals, they just validate the premise that some are born to rule, which is how we get clowns like Johnson in politics. But at least we have courts that are based some sort of a civil system, rather than having throwing our weight behind one side or another just because they get to call dibs on the appointments.
And to have a system where one leader can pardon anyone, at any time for anything they're done is crazy. | | | |
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