| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 22:48 - Feb 4 with 357 views | Darth_Koont |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 22:05 - Feb 4 by vapour_trail |
Blair isn’t wrong sometimes.
Burgon is a dreadful person, absolutely dreadful. |
How exactly? The Zionism lie was definitely bad – and haven’t seen him address that.
But when he speaks, he makes a lot of decent points.
Is there other stuff you’re talking about? I’m happy to take a look. I’m not attached to the people just the ideas I can agree with and respect. |  |
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| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 23:02 - Feb 4 with 333 views | tractordownsouth |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 22:43 - Feb 4 by Darth_Koont |
Maybe Labour should concentrate on winning voters full stop? There’s nothing there.
Even you are starting to wobble, I’m sure. |
I agree that winning voters from all parties is important. I'm not "starting to wobble" because I recognise that economic progressivism and the use of patriotic imagery aren't mutually exclusive. Starmer and Dodds have been clear in their opposition to austerity and this week committed to policies such as a race equality act and votes at 16. The economic agenda seems like one that most centre-left and left people can get behind, and whilst I'm not personally fussed about flags either way, I recognise that to some people that stuff is important. Furthermore it's really not controversial either - as a fan of the SNP, you wouldn't call Sturgeon a "flag shagger", even though she regularly makes use of the Scottish flag.
There have definitely been mistakes - I disagreed with the mixed messaging on schools and the tuition fees policy announcement but in general I think that it's been a fairly solid 7/10 score for the first 10 months of new leadership. As a wider vision, I'm really not sure what else you're looking for. Labour is still an anti-austerity party and has clearly opposed the government on the cladding scandal, as well as FSM and Universal Credit cuts. Most of your criticisms seem centred around flags and haircuts rather than policy. |  |
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| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 23:57 - Feb 4 with 307 views | Darth_Koont |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 23:02 - Feb 4 by tractordownsouth |
I agree that winning voters from all parties is important. I'm not "starting to wobble" because I recognise that economic progressivism and the use of patriotic imagery aren't mutually exclusive. Starmer and Dodds have been clear in their opposition to austerity and this week committed to policies such as a race equality act and votes at 16. The economic agenda seems like one that most centre-left and left people can get behind, and whilst I'm not personally fussed about flags either way, I recognise that to some people that stuff is important. Furthermore it's really not controversial either - as a fan of the SNP, you wouldn't call Sturgeon a "flag shagger", even though she regularly makes use of the Scottish flag.
There have definitely been mistakes - I disagreed with the mixed messaging on schools and the tuition fees policy announcement but in general I think that it's been a fairly solid 7/10 score for the first 10 months of new leadership. As a wider vision, I'm really not sure what else you're looking for. Labour is still an anti-austerity party and has clearly opposed the government on the cladding scandal, as well as FSM and Universal Credit cuts. Most of your criticisms seem centred around flags and haircuts rather than policy. |
I think you’re literally fooling yourself.
This is the buttressing of the establishment that we know Westminster and far too many of our political class are ultimately all about.
I expect an awful lot better from our representatives. | |
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