| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 01:38 - Feb 4 with 1805 views | monytowbray |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 22:40 - Feb 3 by Churchman |
The Russians have in recent years swallowed up part of another country against international law (Ukraine), conducted assignation attempts in the U.K. there is no debate about that. It happened. They have beaten and arrested how many of their own citizens in the last week? They poisoned a man on an aeroplane then arrested him on his return from Germany for overstaying his parole.
You could argue that he had a fair trial because that was the judgement.1000s would have convicted him faced with the other option of time to rethink my decision or a new 6 foot hole in the ground to live in.
So please tell me what the tories are really up to and what’s scary about them by comparison? I’m genuinely intrigued. |
It’s not a comparison, that’s why ;) |  |
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| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 09:18 - Feb 4 with 1708 views | Leaky |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 22:29 - Feb 3 by monytowbray |
The Tories speaking about classes still like it’s 1970.
In case you’ve not tuned in since the 80s there are only two classes - us and them. The 99% vs the 1%.
We are ruled by corporate lobbying yet somehow a generally comfortable generation of Boomers and Xers have convinced themselves they are also the elite or the elite at least have their ambitions at heart.
If you are tied to the idea of who the best ‘neolib suit subject to corporate influence’ to rule is then you’ve also probably failed to notice we’re getting to a boiling point with the climate crisis and global recessions in swing.
Democracies are crumbling at the seams with lies, corruption and misinformation networks funded by a billionaire network of Nazis in all but name, and corporations are giving them this sensitive information to determine the best way to radicalise your support via algorithms completely prioritised for profit.
So we either progress with human rights globally and more equality to save the planet, or we consolidate all power into a small handful of corporations/authoritarians, many of which will drill the last drop of oil on earth if it was worth a few quid.
Now really is time to pick a side. If you go with the latter you’ll end up losing sooner or later. Doesn’t matter who runs the UK when we have no food, half the country is flooded and you’re an eco refugee on your own land.
But nah, look, flag shaggers. [Post edited 4 Feb 2021 1:41]
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Was that a post or just a rant. You sound more like Wolfie Smith from the Tooting Front. Suppose you would have Che Guevara running the country |  | | |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 11:09 - Feb 4 with 1653 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 22:31 - Feb 3 by Swansea_Blue |
Did my head in that did. I hadn't twigged it was from the Spectator last night. The most patronising, childish, gaslighting piece of sh*te I've ever seen. No wonder we're fecked if that's seen as a sensible contribution to whatever the debate is. Not sure why Glassers was posting it - trolling I suspect, or believes it? I'm not sure which scenario is worse. |
Chico is very fond of using the expression "it upsets the right type of people". In this case it couldn't be further from the truth. Because I wouldn't class you as anything other than a balanced and decent poster.
If the copy and paste of a satirical piece from the Speccie upset and offended you the you have my unreserved apology. It wasn't my intention.
This thread had evolved into a discussion on how the Labour party had drifted away from it's traditional working class roots. How the recent leadership had given the impression that his priorities lay more with the people of the West Bank than they did with the people from West Bromwich. How the working class are a great disappointment to the chin stroking chattering classes who just don't 'get them' any more.
I thought the speccie piece summed up a typical middle class lefty like Emily Thornberry who had shown her contempt for the patriotic working classes during the 2015 general election. Or Sprucey, who has spent his entire time on here sneering at working class people who don't share his progressive and enlightened views. Branding them as thick ignorant racists. Not educated enough to deserve a vote.
Again, I'm sorry that my post missed it's mark and caused offence. |  |
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| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 11:14 - Feb 4 with 1646 views | footers |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 11:09 - Feb 4 by GlasgowBlue |
Chico is very fond of using the expression "it upsets the right type of people". In this case it couldn't be further from the truth. Because I wouldn't class you as anything other than a balanced and decent poster.
If the copy and paste of a satirical piece from the Speccie upset and offended you the you have my unreserved apology. It wasn't my intention.
This thread had evolved into a discussion on how the Labour party had drifted away from it's traditional working class roots. How the recent leadership had given the impression that his priorities lay more with the people of the West Bank than they did with the people from West Bromwich. How the working class are a great disappointment to the chin stroking chattering classes who just don't 'get them' any more.
I thought the speccie piece summed up a typical middle class lefty like Emily Thornberry who had shown her contempt for the patriotic working classes during the 2015 general election. Or Sprucey, who has spent his entire time on here sneering at working class people who don't share his progressive and enlightened views. Branding them as thick ignorant racists. Not educated enough to deserve a vote.
Again, I'm sorry that my post missed it's mark and caused offence. |
You must be furious with the way the Tories have held the 'lazy and feckless' in contempt then too, eh?
And this whole 'they care more about Palestine than Britain' is a tired, lazy trope, and in fact one repeated almost ad verbatim by Rod Liddle this morning. What fine company you keep. |  |
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| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 11:19 - Feb 4 with 1631 views | BlueLikeJazz |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 11:14 - Feb 4 by footers |
You must be furious with the way the Tories have held the 'lazy and feckless' in contempt then too, eh?
And this whole 'they care more about Palestine than Britain' is a tired, lazy trope, and in fact one repeated almost ad verbatim by Rod Liddle this morning. What fine company you keep. |
I'm not sure how Glasgow's no doubt totally sincere concern for the patriotic working classes squares with him cheerleading for a far-right project that will damage them and the country that they love, but hey ho... |  | | |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 11:24 - Feb 4 with 1612 views | footers |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 11:19 - Feb 4 by BlueLikeJazz |
I'm not sure how Glasgow's no doubt totally sincere concern for the patriotic working classes squares with him cheerleading for a far-right project that will damage them and the country that they love, but hey ho... |
So long as you keep fuel duty low the oiks will lap it up. This is the only Tory policy for the working classes for the last decade or so. They have done absolutely sod all for the worst off in our society yet paint themselves as their champions. It's ludicrous.
In fact, if anyone has any other proactive Tory policies that have helped the working people of Britain I'd love to hear it. | |
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| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 11:29 - Feb 4 with 1599 views | Darth_Koont |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 11:09 - Feb 4 by GlasgowBlue |
Chico is very fond of using the expression "it upsets the right type of people". In this case it couldn't be further from the truth. Because I wouldn't class you as anything other than a balanced and decent poster.
If the copy and paste of a satirical piece from the Speccie upset and offended you the you have my unreserved apology. It wasn't my intention.
This thread had evolved into a discussion on how the Labour party had drifted away from it's traditional working class roots. How the recent leadership had given the impression that his priorities lay more with the people of the West Bank than they did with the people from West Bromwich. How the working class are a great disappointment to the chin stroking chattering classes who just don't 'get them' any more.
I thought the speccie piece summed up a typical middle class lefty like Emily Thornberry who had shown her contempt for the patriotic working classes during the 2015 general election. Or Sprucey, who has spent his entire time on here sneering at working class people who don't share his progressive and enlightened views. Branding them as thick ignorant racists. Not educated enough to deserve a vote.
Again, I'm sorry that my post missed it's mark and caused offence. |
Can the entrenched, status quo-loving, establishment-felching Spectator really satirise opponents of the system ?
On this evidence, no. And that’s putting aside the fact that rationally/morally they’re already on a very jizzy wicket. |  |
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| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 11:31 - Feb 4 with 1596 views | giant_stow |
Personally I think they're right to try and broaden Labour's appeal and this doesn;t mean compromising on long held ideals. I wonder if, with the help of branding wizz, they could put their own spin on the Union flag? Perhaps even just something simple like introducing different versions with multiple colours to represent diversity? |  |
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| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 11:33 - Feb 4 with 1593 views | footers |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 11:29 - Feb 4 by Darth_Koont |
Can the entrenched, status quo-loving, establishment-felching Spectator really satirise opponents of the system ?
On this evidence, no. And that’s putting aside the fact that rationally/morally they’re already on a very jizzy wicket. |
Not forgetting they still employ a self-described "soi-disant Anti-Semite".
Funny old world, innit. | |
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| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 11:37 - Feb 4 with 1579 views | Darth_Koont |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 11:33 - Feb 4 by footers |
Not forgetting they still employ a self-described "soi-disant Anti-Semite".
Funny old world, innit. |
I wonder what it is about the faithfully right-wing Spectator that means this new breed of anti-racists can gloss over such “foibles”? | |
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| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 11:43 - Feb 4 with 1558 views | BlueLikeJazz |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 11:31 - Feb 4 by giant_stow |
Personally I think they're right to try and broaden Labour's appeal and this doesn;t mean compromising on long held ideals. I wonder if, with the help of branding wizz, they could put their own spin on the Union flag? Perhaps even just something simple like introducing different versions with multiple colours to represent diversity? |
Nah, they shouldn't bother with any of that nonsense. Just stick to policies, and pointing out that patriotism means wanting the country to do well, and for ALL the people in it to be looked after. And what it *doesn't* mean is shouting about the flag and setting up imaginary culture wars while running down the public services that ordinary people rely on, and robbing ordinary people to enrich their mates. | | | |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 11:50 - Feb 4 with 1544 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 11:09 - Feb 4 by GlasgowBlue |
Chico is very fond of using the expression "it upsets the right type of people". In this case it couldn't be further from the truth. Because I wouldn't class you as anything other than a balanced and decent poster.
If the copy and paste of a satirical piece from the Speccie upset and offended you the you have my unreserved apology. It wasn't my intention.
This thread had evolved into a discussion on how the Labour party had drifted away from it's traditional working class roots. How the recent leadership had given the impression that his priorities lay more with the people of the West Bank than they did with the people from West Bromwich. How the working class are a great disappointment to the chin stroking chattering classes who just don't 'get them' any more.
I thought the speccie piece summed up a typical middle class lefty like Emily Thornberry who had shown her contempt for the patriotic working classes during the 2015 general election. Or Sprucey, who has spent his entire time on here sneering at working class people who don't share his progressive and enlightened views. Branding them as thick ignorant racists. Not educated enough to deserve a vote.
Again, I'm sorry that my post missed it's mark and caused offence. |
Well it triggered me lol, but no apology needed at all. Was it supposed to be satirical? I can't tell the difference between satire and seriousness these days.
Now you've got me wondering if I'm actually a latte slurping, champagne socialist myself  |  |
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| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 11:50 - Feb 4 with 1543 views | giant_stow |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 11:43 - Feb 4 by BlueLikeJazz |
Nah, they shouldn't bother with any of that nonsense. Just stick to policies, and pointing out that patriotism means wanting the country to do well, and for ALL the people in it to be looked after. And what it *doesn't* mean is shouting about the flag and setting up imaginary culture wars while running down the public services that ordinary people rely on, and robbing ordinary people to enrich their mates. |
While I agree with your sentiment, i think it's a little niave to think that presentation or branding doesn't / shouldn't matter. Appealing to ALL people means catering for those who identify with that sort of thing as well as the deeper thinkers. | |
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| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 11:55 - Feb 4 with 1530 views | BlueLikeJazz |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 11:50 - Feb 4 by giant_stow |
While I agree with your sentiment, i think it's a little niave to think that presentation or branding doesn't / shouldn't matter. Appealing to ALL people means catering for those who identify with that sort of thing as well as the deeper thinkers. |
No, I agree it matters to a certain extent, I just think presentation/branding means more than that! (more than just the symbols themselves I mean). If it doesn't mean more than that, there's no point the Labour party going down that route... [Post edited 4 Feb 2021 11:59]
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| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 12:01 - Feb 4 with 1505 views | monytowbray |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 09:18 - Feb 4 by Leaky |
Was that a post or just a rant. You sound more like Wolfie Smith from the Tooting Front. Suppose you would have Che Guevara running the country |
Imagine this being your best response. | |
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| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 12:01 - Feb 4 with 1510 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 11:31 - Feb 4 by giant_stow |
Personally I think they're right to try and broaden Labour's appeal and this doesn;t mean compromising on long held ideals. I wonder if, with the help of branding wizz, they could put their own spin on the Union flag? Perhaps even just something simple like introducing different versions with multiple colours to represent diversity? |
" ... different versions with multiple colours .."
You just want a bit more yellow and green in there, admit it. |  |
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| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 12:04 - Feb 4 with 1503 views | giant_stow |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 11:55 - Feb 4 by BlueLikeJazz |
No, I agree it matters to a certain extent, I just think presentation/branding means more than that! (more than just the symbols themselves I mean). If it doesn't mean more than that, there's no point the Labour party going down that route... [Post edited 4 Feb 2021 11:59]
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Fair enough mr - I misunderstood.
I just think that the notion of inclusivity is really important for labour to flourish and whether the left likes it or not, that means trying to appeal to people further to the right than they might be comfortable with. | |
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| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 12:31 - Feb 4 with 1464 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 11:14 - Feb 4 by footers |
You must be furious with the way the Tories have held the 'lazy and feckless' in contempt then too, eh?
And this whole 'they care more about Palestine than Britain' is a tired, lazy trope, and in fact one repeated almost ad verbatim by Rod Liddle this morning. What fine company you keep. |
But the Tories. Choo choo the whatabouterry train has arrived.
The thread is about Labour’s attempt to win back the patriotic working class.
I’m sure there are plenty of threads about the Tories contempt for the working class. If not, then start one.
Until then, keep the warm up act going until the main event live from New York. | |
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| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 12:35 - Feb 4 with 1456 views | footers |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 12:31 - Feb 4 by GlasgowBlue |
But the Tories. Choo choo the whatabouterry train has arrived.
The thread is about Labour’s attempt to win back the patriotic working class.
I’m sure there are plenty of threads about the Tories contempt for the working class. If not, then start one.
Until then, keep the warm up act going until the main event live from New York. |
I've got better things to do than play Virtual Back Bencher with you, tbh. But of course it didn't take you long to revert to type.
Have fun playing on Twitter. | |
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| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 12:42 - Feb 4 with 1442 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 12:35 - Feb 4 by footers |
I've got better things to do than play Virtual Back Bencher with you, tbh. But of course it didn't take you long to revert to type.
Have fun playing on Twitter. |
It took me two of three days more than you to revert to type when you and your organ grinder started with the snidey low level abusive replies to me fir having the nerve to suggest that there were plenty of good Tories who go into politics for the right reasons as much as there are bad.
I’ve had my say. Nothing more to be gained by continuing this. | |
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| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 12:43 - Feb 4 with 1439 views | footers |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 12:42 - Feb 4 by GlasgowBlue |
It took me two of three days more than you to revert to type when you and your organ grinder started with the snidey low level abusive replies to me fir having the nerve to suggest that there were plenty of good Tories who go into politics for the right reasons as much as there are bad.
I’ve had my say. Nothing more to be gained by continuing this. |
Sure, fella. Whatever you say. | |
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| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 12:57 - Feb 4 with 1403 views | monytowbray |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 12:31 - Feb 4 by GlasgowBlue |
But the Tories. Choo choo the whatabouterry train has arrived.
The thread is about Labour’s attempt to win back the patriotic working class.
I’m sure there are plenty of threads about the Tories contempt for the working class. If not, then start one.
Until then, keep the warm up act going until the main event live from New York. |
The conductor of the TWTD Whatterboutery Express complaining people brought tickets.
What you turn a blind eye to and enable is in all the track marks for all to see. | |
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| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 12:59 - Feb 4 with 1397 views | monytowbray |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 12:42 - Feb 4 by GlasgowBlue |
It took me two of three days more than you to revert to type when you and your organ grinder started with the snidey low level abusive replies to me fir having the nerve to suggest that there were plenty of good Tories who go into politics for the right reasons as much as there are bad.
I’ve had my say. Nothing more to be gained by continuing this. |
Where are these “Good” Tories? Are they the ones running away rather to holding to account what they’ve enabled? Or the ones continually being outvoted on basic human rights and decency in the house? | |
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| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 13:01 - Feb 4 with 1387 views | SpruceMoose |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 12:59 - Feb 4 by monytowbray |
Where are these “Good” Tories? Are they the ones running away rather to holding to account what they’ve enabled? Or the ones continually being outvoted on basic human rights and decency in the house? |
He's talking about himself, clearly. |  |
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| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 13:05 - Feb 4 with 1377 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Well well well. Flag and patriotrism eh? on 12:42 - Feb 4 by GlasgowBlue |
It took me two of three days more than you to revert to type when you and your organ grinder started with the snidey low level abusive replies to me fir having the nerve to suggest that there were plenty of good Tories who go into politics for the right reasons as much as there are bad.
I’ve had my say. Nothing more to be gained by continuing this. |
It really all depends what those "right reasons" are.... |  |
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