| Well done Brexit voters part 527 07:41 - Feb 11 with 4969 views | BryanPlug |
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| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 10:29 - Feb 11 with 2499 views | WeWereZombies |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 10:21 - Feb 11 by footers |
It's a simile, not an analogy. That and you're a tedious troll. |
But is it a simile, considering that a punch in the face and Brexit are not direct comparisons but in effect and in temporal manifestations much more detailed? True the use of 'like' in eireblue's post could be seen as a pointer towards simile but I think the development of cuts and lacerations, the emergence and slow disappearance of bruising, the psychological impact of assault brings a more melded comparison that opens up multiple considerations (both favourable and unfavourable) to the impact on trade and social harmony of Brexit and thus makes analogy more appropriate in my opinion. |  |
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| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 10:31 - Feb 11 with 2490 views | footers |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 10:29 - Feb 11 by WeWereZombies |
But is it a simile, considering that a punch in the face and Brexit are not direct comparisons but in effect and in temporal manifestations much more detailed? True the use of 'like' in eireblue's post could be seen as a pointer towards simile but I think the development of cuts and lacerations, the emergence and slow disappearance of bruising, the psychological impact of assault brings a more melded comparison that opens up multiple considerations (both favourable and unfavourable) to the impact on trade and social harmony of Brexit and thus makes analogy more appropriate in my opinion. |
True, a simile can be part of an analogy, so maybe my interpretation was a little crude. I'll have a stronger coffee and have a ponder before my MMP. |  |
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| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 10:37 - Feb 11 with 2476 views | mo_itfc |
There is wayy too much focus on the negative side of brexit!
Why don't we all post something positive which has come out of brexit!
I'll start:
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Nope... can't think of any. |  |
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| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 10:47 - Feb 11 with 2452 views | eireblue |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 10:31 - Feb 11 by footers |
True, a simile can be part of an analogy, so maybe my interpretation was a little crude. I'll have a stronger coffee and have a ponder before my MMP. |
What Timefliesbywhenyouignorethings has also missed is the two, yes two question marks.
He didn’t seem to understand that the simile and analogically nature of the statement was in fact an intuition pump, a very well understood mechanism used to prompt discussion about a topic, widely used in philosophical and problem solving circles.
Surprised both Timefliesbywhenyouareinbliss and Anal Monkey didn’t recognise the construct and didn’t engage in the discussion.
I can make two assumptions, they are troll types that can’t actually discuss matters, or they understood the point very well and can see the logical conclusion of that discussion, and didn’t really want to go there. |  | | |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 11:01 - Feb 11 with 2418 views | MattinLondon |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 10:37 - Feb 11 by mo_itfc |
There is wayy too much focus on the negative side of brexit!
Why don't we all post something positive which has come out of brexit!
I'll start:
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Nope... can't think of any. |
A positive you say?
I guess its a bit like empowering toddlers with painting - it gives them confidence and but ultimately you’re just biting your lip and getting ready to tidy up their mess. And you promise yourself never to let them paint by themselves until they are old enough to take responsibility for the mess. |  | | |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 11:09 - Feb 11 with 2406 views | gazzer1999 |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 08:14 - Feb 11 by Herbivore |
We need to stop thinking comparisons between our relationship with the EU and the EU's relationship with countries like Canada are especially helpful. Our economy and theirs are far more closely linked and we are a near neighbour and potential competitor. It was always going to be the case that they would not accept us being able to give ourselves a big competitive advantage over them whilst still allowing us full and free access to their markets. It's have your cake and eat it stuff. |
So are you saying we should not be competitive, and just sit back and restrict growth? |  | | |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 11:11 - Feb 11 with 2401 views | gazzer1999 |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 08:33 - Feb 11 by Steve_M |
It would still have been possible to leave the EU and not cause this level of destruction to UK businesses and interests. The fault for that lies with the Tory party and it's approach to it's loonier MPs over the last four years. |
I think it lies with the 52% that voted for it, the Tories implemented it. | | | |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 11:26 - Feb 11 with 2374 views | mo_itfc |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 11:09 - Feb 11 by gazzer1999 |
So are you saying we should not be competitive, and just sit back and restrict growth? |
We should have remained competitive and stayed in the free market!
We are now unable to compete to the standards we are used too. | |
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| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 11:45 - Feb 11 with 2353 views | Churchman |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 08:14 - Feb 11 by Herbivore |
We need to stop thinking comparisons between our relationship with the EU and the EU's relationship with countries like Canada are especially helpful. Our economy and theirs are far more closely linked and we are a near neighbour and potential competitor. It was always going to be the case that they would not accept us being able to give ourselves a big competitive advantage over them whilst still allowing us full and free access to their markets. It's have your cake and eat it stuff. |
Why is geography a factor? We live in a global economy. What is wrong with competition? Nothing unless it is unfair, which is what equivalence in the so called trade deal is all about. In the 1970s it took longer to correct the faults on an Austin Allegro than it took to build a Volkswagen Golf. It was a far better, more profitable product. Nobody suggested then that Germany was dumping or competing unfairly. What’s changed? Competition is all about winners and losers, innovation ettc. Why do the EU impose less restrictions on agriproducts from NZ than the UK? Only one reason, since the risk didn’t change in one day. Politics.
The UK is operating a transition period. The EU are seeking to impose rules and strangle imports from the UK. Why? For political reasons. It seeks to punish. So while we are imposing minimal restrictions to EU business selling their goods to UK people, the EU is doing precisely the opposite. Charming. Let’s trash peoples livelihoods, many of whom did not vote leave, for ‘the project’.
It’s no different to trying to bully the UK and AZ over vaccine or its ludicrous rubbishing of its efficacy. Politics. Did it pressure Pfizer publicly for its supply issues? No, it targeted the UK and AZ because it thought it could. How lovely.
I voted remain in the hope that we could change the EU from the inside. It was never going to happen as it seems it has a life of its own. You might want to joint Rejoin. Good luck with that. I want no part of the EU now. There is a reason why the EU economies have been so stagnant compared to other areas of the world and its not all down to labour costs. |  | | |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 11:47 - Feb 11 with 2343 views | Herbivore |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 11:09 - Feb 11 by gazzer1999 |
So are you saying we should not be competitive, and just sit back and restrict growth? |
Well, we were really competetive within the EU. One of the largest economies in the world in fact. Now we have a choice, maintain close alignment with the EU or diverge significantly. Each comes with costs attached. |  |
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| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 11:48 - Feb 11 with 2338 views | Herbivore |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 11:45 - Feb 11 by Churchman |
Why is geography a factor? We live in a global economy. What is wrong with competition? Nothing unless it is unfair, which is what equivalence in the so called trade deal is all about. In the 1970s it took longer to correct the faults on an Austin Allegro than it took to build a Volkswagen Golf. It was a far better, more profitable product. Nobody suggested then that Germany was dumping or competing unfairly. What’s changed? Competition is all about winners and losers, innovation ettc. Why do the EU impose less restrictions on agriproducts from NZ than the UK? Only one reason, since the risk didn’t change in one day. Politics.
The UK is operating a transition period. The EU are seeking to impose rules and strangle imports from the UK. Why? For political reasons. It seeks to punish. So while we are imposing minimal restrictions to EU business selling their goods to UK people, the EU is doing precisely the opposite. Charming. Let’s trash peoples livelihoods, many of whom did not vote leave, for ‘the project’.
It’s no different to trying to bully the UK and AZ over vaccine or its ludicrous rubbishing of its efficacy. Politics. Did it pressure Pfizer publicly for its supply issues? No, it targeted the UK and AZ because it thought it could. How lovely.
I voted remain in the hope that we could change the EU from the inside. It was never going to happen as it seems it has a life of its own. You might want to joint Rejoin. Good luck with that. I want no part of the EU now. There is a reason why the EU economies have been so stagnant compared to other areas of the world and its not all down to labour costs. |
Yeah, I'm aware of your views on this and don't agree with your take. | |
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| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 11:51 - Feb 11 with 2331 views | Churchman |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 11:48 - Feb 11 by Herbivore |
Yeah, I'm aware of your views on this and don't agree with your take. |
Fair enough. | | | |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 12:00 - Feb 11 with 2311 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 11:45 - Feb 11 by Churchman |
Why is geography a factor? We live in a global economy. What is wrong with competition? Nothing unless it is unfair, which is what equivalence in the so called trade deal is all about. In the 1970s it took longer to correct the faults on an Austin Allegro than it took to build a Volkswagen Golf. It was a far better, more profitable product. Nobody suggested then that Germany was dumping or competing unfairly. What’s changed? Competition is all about winners and losers, innovation ettc. Why do the EU impose less restrictions on agriproducts from NZ than the UK? Only one reason, since the risk didn’t change in one day. Politics.
The UK is operating a transition period. The EU are seeking to impose rules and strangle imports from the UK. Why? For political reasons. It seeks to punish. So while we are imposing minimal restrictions to EU business selling their goods to UK people, the EU is doing precisely the opposite. Charming. Let’s trash peoples livelihoods, many of whom did not vote leave, for ‘the project’.
It’s no different to trying to bully the UK and AZ over vaccine or its ludicrous rubbishing of its efficacy. Politics. Did it pressure Pfizer publicly for its supply issues? No, it targeted the UK and AZ because it thought it could. How lovely.
I voted remain in the hope that we could change the EU from the inside. It was never going to happen as it seems it has a life of its own. You might want to joint Rejoin. Good luck with that. I want no part of the EU now. There is a reason why the EU economies have been so stagnant compared to other areas of the world and its not all down to labour costs. |
It's simply the case that companies do more trade and cooperate more closely with those that are nearest to them. That's why there are so many trade partnership, customs unions, etc., are regional in nature. There is a global system, but I can't jump on a train for a 11 o'clock meeting in Sydney and be home for tea, I can for Brussels. It's just easier for the movement of people and goods.
Not sure I buy into this punishment rhetoric either, or the supposed one side of it. We're the ones who left the EU, so are punishing ourselves in that regard. The EU is just putting their interests firsts, and we knew that was going to be the case. People shouldn't be so surprised about it. |  |
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| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 12:05 - Feb 11 with 2295 views | Herbivore |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 12:00 - Feb 11 by Swansea_Blue |
It's simply the case that companies do more trade and cooperate more closely with those that are nearest to them. That's why there are so many trade partnership, customs unions, etc., are regional in nature. There is a global system, but I can't jump on a train for a 11 o'clock meeting in Sydney and be home for tea, I can for Brussels. It's just easier for the movement of people and goods.
Not sure I buy into this punishment rhetoric either, or the supposed one side of it. We're the ones who left the EU, so are punishing ourselves in that regard. The EU is just putting their interests firsts, and we knew that was going to be the case. People shouldn't be so surprised about it. |
We're a third country now, that was our choice. They don't owe us any favours. | |
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| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 15:31 - Feb 11 with 2227 views | MonkeyAlan |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 10:47 - Feb 11 by eireblue |
What Timefliesbywhenyouignorethings has also missed is the two, yes two question marks.
He didn’t seem to understand that the simile and analogically nature of the statement was in fact an intuition pump, a very well understood mechanism used to prompt discussion about a topic, widely used in philosophical and problem solving circles.
Surprised both Timefliesbywhenyouareinbliss and Anal Monkey didn’t recognise the construct and didn’t engage in the discussion.
I can make two assumptions, they are troll types that can’t actually discuss matters, or they understood the point very well and can see the logical conclusion of that discussion, and didn’t really want to go there. |
eirelube, not the old "troll" line again. God that's so boring. |  | | |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 15:33 - Feb 11 with 2221 views | eireblue |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 15:31 - Feb 11 by MonkeyAlan |
eirelube, not the old "troll" line again. God that's so boring. |
You are only an egg, so don’t deserve anything more creative. | | | |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 15:48 - Feb 11 with 2208 views | Herbivore |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 15:31 - Feb 11 by MonkeyAlan |
eirelube, not the old "troll" line again. God that's so boring. |
Did you know that your username is an anagram of Ye Anal Monk? | |
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| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 16:13 - Feb 11 with 2189 views | jaykay |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 10:02 - Feb 11 by MonkeyAlan |
Or you could just move on. It's what it is, none of us can change it. |
some have been whining since the referendum of 1975. so we can change it |  |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 15:08 - Feb 12 with 2102 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 11:47 - Feb 11 by Herbivore |
Well, we were really competetive within the EU. One of the largest economies in the world in fact. Now we have a choice, maintain close alignment with the EU or diverge significantly. Each comes with costs attached. |
I don't think Boris and chums ever had any intention of seeking full market access to the EU. They are just going to use this as more ammunition for "EU bullying".
Let's be honest here the real ambition for the hard Brexiteers has always been to diverge, de-regulate, reduce worker's rights, and lower tax. Albeit the pandemic and associated costs has put a major spanner in the works. | | | |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 15:29 - Feb 12 with 2082 views | sotd78 |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 10:02 - Feb 11 by MonkeyAlan |
Or you could just move on. It's what it is, none of us can change it. |
Of course you can change it. The Anti EU mob banged on for years about getting out. What stops 48% of the population banging on for years about repairing the damage. Well may be not repairing it - because we'll never get back to having no Euro, a veto, and a rebate. But at least we'd get back to being as good as say Greece, or Eire, or Portugal. Perhaps! |  |
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| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 15:58 - Feb 12 with 2056 views | jaykay |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 15:29 - Feb 12 by sotd78 |
Of course you can change it. The Anti EU mob banged on for years about getting out. What stops 48% of the population banging on for years about repairing the damage. Well may be not repairing it - because we'll never get back to having no Euro, a veto, and a rebate. But at least we'd get back to being as good as say Greece, or Eire, or Portugal. Perhaps! |
21 years, i believe they kept banging that drum | |
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| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 16:00 - Feb 12 with 2056 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Well done Brexit voters part 527 on 15:29 - Feb 12 by sotd78 |
Of course you can change it. The Anti EU mob banged on for years about getting out. What stops 48% of the population banging on for years about repairing the damage. Well may be not repairing it - because we'll never get back to having no Euro, a veto, and a rebate. But at least we'd get back to being as good as say Greece, or Eire, or Portugal. Perhaps! |
Just an opinion, and from a pro-remain position, I think such a campaign would be counter-productive at this stage, for a couple of reasons:-
1) The markets, and the fx have largely priced in the new normal. Any rejoin campaign would just create years more of instability/uncertainty, all of which hampers investment/economic growth.
2) The EU have really shot themselves in the foot with vaccines, not even so much the shambolic procurement, but their ensuing attitude, which will probably not be quickly forgotten.
Just an opinion! Maybe in 20 years time! | | | |
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