| Blimey on 14:07 - Mar 5 with 671 views | Darth_Koont |
| Blimey on 13:58 - Mar 5 by lowhouseblue |
yes the 2017 labour government really made a difference. that landslide still stands out as the self-righteous left's greatest achievement. |
Such a difference that your lot of chancers had to redouble their efforts to make sure that was reversed.
If Keir wants to get on the right track he should look at the time that Labour actually attracted voters in their millions. In fact, if he had been true to his pledges he would have and we wouldn’t have a pointless Labour Party wondering how they got into this position, with no-one knowing what they stand for and no-one even interested either.
Following Change UK into political oblivion, no matter how that served their own individual self-interests, looks a poor direction to take for a political party whose greatest strength and value is representing others.
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| Blimey on 14:08 - Mar 5 with 672 views | BlueNomad |
| Blimey on 07:39 - Mar 5 by 26_Paz |
How is it bait? This is a thread about why the Conservatives are so far ahead of Labour. I’ve offered my views, being that Labour are out of touch with working class people. I’m far from the only one who holds that view. You’re choosing to view it as bait because discussing the reality is uncomfortable for you. Fact is Labour have lost touch with lower socio economic groups. They do fantastic with the London centric metropolitan left but have lost their roots, their core group. They’ve probably hung on to those without a job but they’ve lost the lower earners and manual tradespeople (who probably earn more than a lot of those London metropolitan types but that’s another story). |
Labour lost last time because Johnson (I refuse to ever refer to him by his chosen first name) promised to deliver Brexit with his "oven ready deal." The Red Wall did not care as much about the economic issues as they did about the prospect of a new £350m hospital every week and curbing the "threat" of being "overrun" by 60m Turks.
Sitting atop that was the absolute demonisation by the media of a decent man in Corbyn who had principles (which you are entitled to politely disagree with). |  | | |
| Blimey on 14:15 - Mar 5 with 620 views | lowhouseblue |
| Blimey on 14:07 - Mar 5 by Darth_Koont |
Such a difference that your lot of chancers had to redouble their efforts to make sure that was reversed.
If Keir wants to get on the right track he should look at the time that Labour actually attracted voters in their millions. In fact, if he had been true to his pledges he would have and we wouldn’t have a pointless Labour Party wondering how they got into this position, with no-one knowing what they stand for and no-one even interested either.
Following Change UK into political oblivion, no matter how that served their own individual self-interests, looks a poor direction to take for a political party whose greatest strength and value is representing others.
But you keep nodding along 😀 |
well it's unlikely we'll get to run against may again if that's what you're relying on. she demonstrated she was the worst campaigner imaginable, destroyed her own manifesto and threw away a double digit lead in a fortnight. hoping that happens again seems to be all you have to offer. seriously, leave the labour party alone and find some weird fringe group that you can support and doom instead. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Blimey on 14:18 - Mar 5 with 603 views | Darth_Koont |
| Blimey on 14:04 - Mar 5 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I cannot comprehend how 2017 is always referred to as some massive pinnacle of success for Corbyn's Labour?
Teresa May was so unilaterally unpopular, it was a complete open goal.
I don't envy Starmer's job - trying to win the espousal of both the left and the centrists. |
Then you weren’t paying attention to the factional, political and media context that made it an uphill battle. Nor it seems that there’s a significant proportion of people outside of that self-satisfied centre-right bubble who have been disillusioned and disenfranchised for decades.
And gob-smacking that people now think putting empty, anodyne politics up against Johnson is going to work better. | |
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| Blimey on 14:25 - Mar 5 with 575 views | Darth_Koont |
| Blimey on 14:15 - Mar 5 by lowhouseblue |
well it's unlikely we'll get to run against may again if that's what you're relying on. she demonstrated she was the worst campaigner imaginable, destroyed her own manifesto and threw away a double digit lead in a fortnight. hoping that happens again seems to be all you have to offer. seriously, leave the labour party alone and find some weird fringe group that you can support and doom instead. |
Your lot have been in charge for the vast majority of the time and you’ve been losing Labour support ever since 1997. Then when actual socialism and social democratic policies and commitments come back support and votes go up.
Nowadays you’re the fringe element living in the past, but unfortunately you’re also the death cult that’s guarding the narrow centre-right power at the top of the Labour Party. | |
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| Blimey on 14:26 - Mar 5 with 569 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Blimey on 14:18 - Mar 5 by Darth_Koont |
Then you weren’t paying attention to the factional, political and media context that made it an uphill battle. Nor it seems that there’s a significant proportion of people outside of that self-satisfied centre-right bubble who have been disillusioned and disenfranchised for decades.
And gob-smacking that people now think putting empty, anodyne politics up against Johnson is going to work better. |
I don't believe Johnson will be difficult to unseat though. By the time the next election comes round, he'll no longer be able to milk the vaccination rollout, and Labour can rightly hold them to account for the huge death toll, the cronyism, and borderline theft from the tax-payer.
That said however, I think where we disagree is that I don't foresee a massive appetite for radical change (for the majority of people), so a centre-left offering should easily win power. |  | | |
| Blimey on 14:31 - Mar 5 with 550 views | Darth_Koont |
| Blimey on 14:26 - Mar 5 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I don't believe Johnson will be difficult to unseat though. By the time the next election comes round, he'll no longer be able to milk the vaccination rollout, and Labour can rightly hold them to account for the huge death toll, the cronyism, and borderline theft from the tax-payer.
That said however, I think where we disagree is that I don't foresee a massive appetite for radical change (for the majority of people), so a centre-left offering should easily win power. |
Johnson is already offering a centre-left tweak to the economy and society.
Starter et al are always going to get outflanked because they literally don’t know what they stand for except some nebulous idea of doing what it takes to get elected somehow. But even there Johnson and the Tories will be much more focused and single-minded as that’s their whole ideology of getting and keeping power.
You’re bringing a damp sponge to a gunfight. | |
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| Blimey on 14:39 - Mar 5 with 531 views | pointofblue |
| Blimey on 14:26 - Mar 5 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I don't believe Johnson will be difficult to unseat though. By the time the next election comes round, he'll no longer be able to milk the vaccination rollout, and Labour can rightly hold them to account for the huge death toll, the cronyism, and borderline theft from the tax-payer.
That said however, I think where we disagree is that I don't foresee a massive appetite for radical change (for the majority of people), so a centre-left offering should easily win power. |
One thing I am confident on is Johnson won't be Prime Minister when the next general election comes around. He'll be eased aside and someone else will takeover - the question is who.
Labour's problem is I have no idea what they stand for beyond understandably protesting against the goverment. The Lib Dems (rejoin the EU), the Green's (the environment), the SNP (Scottish independence) all have a hook - Labour do not. That was a problem in the 2019 general election; as much as it was a disaster the Tories had a clear route for Brexit whereas Labour tried to have the best of all worlds and ended up with none. | |
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| Blimey on 18:34 - Mar 6 with 476 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Blimey on 19:59 - Mar 4 by Trequartista |
Or alternatively a Labour party that despises the working classes. |
Definitely losing the working class.
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| Blimey on 19:08 - Mar 6 with 438 views | J2BLUE |
| Blimey on 18:34 - Mar 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Definitely losing the working class.
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That is mad. |  |
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