| The takeover obsession is weird 08:15 - Mar 16 with 3554 views | Bluefish |
It doesn't really have any great short term benefit to the supporters but they are so desperate for it and you fear a total meltdown if it goes wrong. The long term benefits are also unproven and a bit of a gamble.
It makes you wonder what the desperation is being driven by, is it the last connection to Mick. Is it the last thing to try and blame? We have the biggest budget in this division and have for for both seasons. There isn't even a transfer window between now and the end of the season. The big ME issue was manager appointment and he has done that now and everyone seems happy with that |  |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:01 - Mar 16 with 586 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:58 - Mar 16 by textbackup |
you've not looked at what they do at other clubs they own? seems a world away from tommy turn up a couple a days a month |
I have looked at what they have done with small clubs in leagues with totally different dynamics.
I agree that we dont have the right structure (or any structure really), I just havent seen enough to be convinced by Brett M Johnson.
It doesnt bode well that they seem to have fallen at the first hurdle. ...maybe couldnt raise the cash? |  |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:01 - Mar 16 with 587 views | Guthrum |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:52 - Mar 16 by davblue |
I think if we'd have gone up we'd have gone straight back down and it would have exposed Evans as an owner even more being in the premier league, we would have been laughed out of that league with the way we are run.
There's not a cats in hell chance that 2 days a week at the club every couple of weeks would have been sufficient. It's not for a club like us in league 1 let alone the top league. |
Going up and coming straight back down gives you a very un-laughable wedge of money to keep you warm in the Champ. The perfect springboard to go back up again.
Then repeat, until you stick (like West Brom, West Ham and others did).
I agree. We need either the appointee on the ground to have more executive authority - and not trying to roll that in with managing the squad - or more attention from the Owner (which is unlikely). |  |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:02 - Mar 16 with 582 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:57 - Mar 16 by portmanking |
So what??!! Are you suggesting we stick with Evans because we can't predict the future under any alternative ownership? Perfect example of the way that Evans' reign has downgraded fan expectations. |
Nope.
I would just like to see us taken over by someone more credible, and with some comfort on where the money is going to come from to sustain the club.
I dont want us to be the next Bolton, Charlton, Wigan etc etc etc | |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:04 - Mar 16 with 576 views | portmanking |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:02 - Mar 16 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Nope.
I would just like to see us taken over by someone more credible, and with some comfort on where the money is going to come from to sustain the club.
I dont want us to be the next Bolton, Charlton, Wigan etc etc etc |
You're not in a position to say whether the US consortium was credible enough or not. None of us are. But we can look at their past track record of building successful teams and communities to suggest that they know more than Evans about connecting with fans and making every pound invested work harder and smarter for them. |  | | |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:05 - Mar 16 with 572 views | davblue |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:55 - Mar 16 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Clearly we dont know if the 'new guys' would be any better at running a club than Evans. |
No we don't.
I personally would rather we roll the dice than go nowhere under Evans, this has been the worst time by far supporting Ipswich since the early nineties for me, it's garbage, there's no hope, we are cut to the bone off the pitch and are being left behind with an infrastructure that's not fit for purpose and an owner who doesn't have the ability to put the correct infrastructure in place or is unwilling to fund it.
If he got the correct people in place and we recruit smarter than he might just make the club self sufficient without having to put as much in each year. It does take some capital though. We aren't going to be able to turn free transfers into 5 - 20 million pound players regularly, so we have to look at investing some cash.
Brentford is the model, it's easier said that done, but the funds they have got in have been remarkable. If we sell a player for 25-30 million imagine what that does for a club like ours. |  | | |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:06 - Mar 16 with 569 views | textbackup |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:01 - Mar 16 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I have looked at what they have done with small clubs in leagues with totally different dynamics.
I agree that we dont have the right structure (or any structure really), I just havent seen enough to be convinced by Brett M Johnson.
It doesnt bode well that they seem to have fallen at the first hurdle. ...maybe couldnt raise the cash? |
how do you know its the first hurdle?
how do you know that ME hasn't sat there and thought "we've got a bit better, club will be worth more if we go up"
and he's moved the goalposts? |  |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:07 - Mar 16 with 564 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:04 - Mar 16 by portmanking |
You're not in a position to say whether the US consortium was credible enough or not. None of us are. But we can look at their past track record of building successful teams and communities to suggest that they know more than Evans about connecting with fans and making every pound invested work harder and smarter for them. |
...their failure to complete the purchase doesn't really back that up. Failed to raise funds perhaps.
What they have done at small clubs, in less competitive markets looks OK, but I'm not convinced.
Its ok to disagree. | |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:08 - Mar 16 with 560 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:06 - Mar 16 by textbackup |
how do you know its the first hurdle?
how do you know that ME hasn't sat there and thought "we've got a bit better, club will be worth more if we go up"
and he's moved the goalposts? |
Who knows hey?
Maybe they could have moved a bit quicker. Maybe they couldnt raise the cash. | |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:09 - Mar 16 with 558 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:05 - Mar 16 by davblue |
No we don't.
I personally would rather we roll the dice than go nowhere under Evans, this has been the worst time by far supporting Ipswich since the early nineties for me, it's garbage, there's no hope, we are cut to the bone off the pitch and are being left behind with an infrastructure that's not fit for purpose and an owner who doesn't have the ability to put the correct infrastructure in place or is unwilling to fund it.
If he got the correct people in place and we recruit smarter than he might just make the club self sufficient without having to put as much in each year. It does take some capital though. We aren't going to be able to turn free transfers into 5 - 20 million pound players regularly, so we have to look at investing some cash.
Brentford is the model, it's easier said that done, but the funds they have got in have been remarkable. If we sell a player for 25-30 million imagine what that does for a club like ours. |
We can all point to Brentford, but thats more of an anomaly, and we cant suggest that the new guys would replicate that model successfully.
Hopefully we will get promoted and then find someone who actually has some money to take us over. [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 9:09]
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:11 - Mar 16 with 551 views | davblue |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:09 - Mar 16 by Marshalls_Mullet |
We can all point to Brentford, but thats more of an anomaly, and we cant suggest that the new guys would replicate that model successfully.
Hopefully we will get promoted and then find someone who actually has some money to take us over. [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 9:09]
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it's not a home run, no doubt about it.
Evans' time here is done though, he's essentially in Lambert territory, except it's not as easy to get rid of him! | | | |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:13 - Mar 16 with 546 views | clive_baker |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:20 - Mar 16 by Bluefish |
Bit of a funny snappy answer joers
What benefits are there to be had this season from the takeover completing? |
Not sure what the significance of that is. So we shouldn't want for something if it's not going to benefit us in the next 7 weeks? Feels like a bit of a short term lens.
I think most fans have given ME a fair chance, and would wish him well, but after over a decade in charge it's patently obvious that he's not the man to take ITFC forward. |  |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:13 - Mar 16 with 548 views | textbackup |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:08 - Mar 16 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Who knows hey?
Maybe they could have moved a bit quicker. Maybe they couldnt raise the cash. |
maybe they were moving as fast as they could, and had the money ready, but ME stalled.
we wont ever know, so im not gonna lose sleep over it.
however what I do know is that under this owner PC's hands are tied, and might ultimately see him leave due to ME not meeting his expectations.
ME as our owner puts aceiling on what we can achieve, and that's been proven over 13 years. and cant be argued against | |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:13 - Mar 16 with 544 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:11 - Mar 16 by davblue |
it's not a home run, no doubt about it.
Evans' time here is done though, he's essentially in Lambert territory, except it's not as easy to get rid of him! |
Lets just enjoy the rest of the season and hopefully a play off success.
I would love to see Evans put a proper MD in place, it seems like the most sensible option and would pay for itself, but I cant see it happening. | |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:14 - Mar 16 with 541 views | hype313 |
Whilst I'm not keen to sell to any Tom, Dick or Harry I would like to see Marcus move on, clearly if he's in the frame of mind to sell then he's not completely committed to the club, or at the very least only has one eye on things.
It's also clear to see that any manager under his stewardship is being set up to fail, so we do need fresh impetus, new ideas, a vision and if it were to happen now then they could get things underway in preparation for next season and give us stronger foundations.
However, if he's having second thoughts then maybe these US based consortium isn't filling him with any confidence. One thing about Marcus is that he Cleary wants to hand over the reins to someone or something that will have the clubs best interests at the core. |  |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:15 - Mar 16 with 538 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:13 - Mar 16 by textbackup |
maybe they were moving as fast as they could, and had the money ready, but ME stalled.
we wont ever know, so im not gonna lose sleep over it.
however what I do know is that under this owner PC's hands are tied, and might ultimately see him leave due to ME not meeting his expectations.
ME as our owner puts aceiling on what we can achieve, and that's been proven over 13 years. and cant be argued against |
PC wont walk.
Im not suggesting that things havent been poor under Evans, but we are not alone as a club in having a poor decade. Most football club owners are failures in the eyes of the fans. | |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:16 - Mar 16 with 534 views | Guthrum |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 08:49 - Mar 16 by portmanking |
Well, you've only got to look at the sides at the top end of the Championship right now to prove that innovation and adaptation can take you places. Brentford, Swansea, Barnsley all three teams doing things differently and by no means at the top end of the wage table either.
As for the fine margins of failing to win promotion in 2015, we all blame Evans for that mis-managed sh*t show in the January window, don't we? |
Swansea are on the parachute money, having been in the Prem only three seasons ago. Barnsley have overseas money and a network of foreign clubs to draw from.
Brentford is the most interesting one. Difficult to know how much money Benham has available . Plus they have gone a rather unusual route in their quest for success - chiefly changing their academy to something more like a sixth-form college for footballers.
In January 2015, I'm still not sure how much McCarthy asked for - whether he did actually demand additions to the squad. I met Milne at a fan event and he intimated that Mick didn't do that. Now whether that's because he thought he couldn't get anyone worthwhile for the funds likely to be available, I don't know. But it doesn't seem clear cut. | |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:16 - Mar 16 with 532 views | WD19 |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:13 - Mar 16 by textbackup |
maybe they were moving as fast as they could, and had the money ready, but ME stalled.
we wont ever know, so im not gonna lose sleep over it.
however what I do know is that under this owner PC's hands are tied, and might ultimately see him leave due to ME not meeting his expectations.
ME as our owner puts aceiling on what we can achieve, and that's been proven over 13 years. and cant be argued against |
Tied in what way? |  | | |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:21 - Mar 16 with 515 views | textbackup |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:15 - Mar 16 by Marshalls_Mullet |
PC wont walk.
Im not suggesting that things havent been poor under Evans, but we are not alone as a club in having a poor decade. Most football club owners are failures in the eyes of the fans. |
why wont he walk?
doesn't seem the sort of bloke to tow the company line, and just accept mediocracy. If he's giving ME a list of players for a promotion push, and he gets him the squad filler and we finish 12th 2 years in a row - you think that wouldn't frustrate him? then an offer comes in from another club, with real ambition.....
I wouldn't blame him in the slightest. why would you hang about here if you had anything about you? | |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:23 - Mar 16 with 505 views | textbackup |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:16 - Mar 16 by WD19 |
Tied in what way? |
assuming you witnessed the championship years under ME's ownership?
that's how PC's hands would be tied. a very small budget for the championship.
didn't appreciate the 12th place finishes at the time under MM, but to achieve anything in the championship you need properly funding. something ME wont do | |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:26 - Mar 16 with 496 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:21 - Mar 16 by textbackup |
why wont he walk?
doesn't seem the sort of bloke to tow the company line, and just accept mediocracy. If he's giving ME a list of players for a promotion push, and he gets him the squad filler and we finish 12th 2 years in a row - you think that wouldn't frustrate him? then an offer comes in from another club, with real ambition.....
I wouldn't blame him in the slightest. why would you hang about here if you had anything about you? |
He knows exactly what he signed up for. He wont walk. | |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:27 - Mar 16 with 497 views | WD19 |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:23 - Mar 16 by textbackup |
assuming you witnessed the championship years under ME's ownership?
that's how PC's hands would be tied. a very small budget for the championship.
didn't appreciate the 12th place finishes at the time under MM, but to achieve anything in the championship you need properly funding. something ME wont do |
Yes, Cook has a very small budget for the Championship.
But last time I checked we were in the 3rd Division, where that budget gives us the biggest squad in the division - far bigger than Cook wants.
So no, I don't think there is any danger of Cook walking out of frustration at getting exactly what he knew he was getting after he spoke to McCarthy and then actively chose to join us (over a host of other options).
Nor do I think there is any danger of us finishing 12th 2 years in a row......and if we did Cook's contract is unlikely to be renewed in any case. | | | |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:47 - Mar 16 with 477 views | textbackup |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:27 - Mar 16 by WD19 |
Yes, Cook has a very small budget for the Championship.
But last time I checked we were in the 3rd Division, where that budget gives us the biggest squad in the division - far bigger than Cook wants.
So no, I don't think there is any danger of Cook walking out of frustration at getting exactly what he knew he was getting after he spoke to McCarthy and then actively chose to join us (over a host of other options).
Nor do I think there is any danger of us finishing 12th 2 years in a row......and if we did Cook's contract is unlikely to be renewed in any case. |
I am obviously speaking if we are to get promotion from L1 aren't I! jeeeeeeeeeez | |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:54 - Mar 16 with 469 views | gordon |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:09 - Mar 16 by Marshalls_Mullet |
We can all point to Brentford, but thats more of an anomaly, and we cant suggest that the new guys would replicate that model successfully.
Hopefully we will get promoted and then find someone who actually has some money to take us over. [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 9:09]
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What Barnsley and Brentford and others are demonstrating is that if you put in place the right people and the right model, then you can generate significant value and good results from a rigorous, data-driven approach to player recruitment.
The recruitment at ITFC has been absolutely awful under Evans, no thought or principle behind what we do, just complete faith in manager's judgement, and Evans seems to have no understanding that this is an issue.
Over the next few years there'll be a bit of a revolution in how clubs at our level do recruitment, and if we stay with Evans all the evidence suggests that we are just going to let it pass us by and muddle onwards, with statements released every couple of years to try and shift the blame for that onto whoever he can think of, and remind us how bad he is at managing football clubs by telling us that he funds our massive operating loss.
Having loads of money (while it would help) really isn't the be all and end all - Evans has ploughed loads into ITFC with awful results, because of the way it's been invested and how badly the club is set up. |  | | |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:56 - Mar 16 with 457 views | WeWereZombies |
| The takeover obsession is weird on 09:05 - Mar 16 by davblue |
No we don't.
I personally would rather we roll the dice than go nowhere under Evans, this has been the worst time by far supporting Ipswich since the early nineties for me, it's garbage, there's no hope, we are cut to the bone off the pitch and are being left behind with an infrastructure that's not fit for purpose and an owner who doesn't have the ability to put the correct infrastructure in place or is unwilling to fund it.
If he got the correct people in place and we recruit smarter than he might just make the club self sufficient without having to put as much in each year. It does take some capital though. We aren't going to be able to turn free transfers into 5 - 20 million pound players regularly, so we have to look at investing some cash.
Brentford is the model, it's easier said that done, but the funds they have got in have been remarkable. If we sell a player for 25-30 million imagine what that does for a club like ours. |
Firstly, I think the last couple of years have been worse than the early 1990s, even though we had relegation from the Premiership back then we still looked likely to be a club that could pull itself together over a couple of seasons and get back up (which we eventually did, but in some ways those seasons in the upper reaches of the Second Division where we were usually the team that ran out as most likely to the win the game were better than being First Division whipping boys.)
To the main point of your post I would suggest that we be wary of a binary viewpoint. It is not the Brett Johnson consortium or Evans. Other offers may come along, there may even be other offers on the table right now. If the takeover is actually stalled that leaves options open. Not selling right now could be the best thing that Evans has ever done for us.
Finally, I am not happy with Brentford being seen as a model to follow. I know that we are always likely to be a selling club but I think we have had enough of that process in the last decade (Wickham, Cresswell, Mings, Webster) without accelerating it. |  |
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| The takeover obsession is weird on 10:00 - Mar 16 with 448 views | chicoazul |
Are you happy with Cook Blubbers? |  |
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