| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did 21:24 - Mar 16 with 5475 views | GlasgowBlue |
Playing his preferred system rather than playing to the strength of the players at his disposal. |  |
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| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:07 - Mar 16 with 1604 views | chrismakin |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:05 - Mar 16 by Radlett_blue |
Kenlock & Matheson would both be decent wing backs. Plus the invisible man KVY. But understandably Cook doesn't want to throw all the balls up in the air yet (& I don't think he favours wing backs). |
You're saying kenlock
Yet hes just had a shocking game. So formation wouldnt have changed that. |  |
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| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:08 - Mar 16 with 1599 views | MrTown |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 21:53 - Mar 16 by Pique |
In Norwood, Jackson and Parrott we have three strikers who could do a decent job as part of a two.
We have no effective wide players, but in Judge, Bishop, Dozzell (and Downes when back) we have good options for a central three.
In Matheson and Kenlock we have two full backs who are probably better suited to wing back.
And we have OK centre back options and, in Woolfenden, a born sweeper IMHO.
All adds up to 5-3-2 to me. |
None of them strikers could do a decent job as a 1,2 or 3.
Judge, Bishop, Dozzell are shambolic options, far from decent.
Them wingbacks, mid table at best.
CB are ok, possibly top 10. Woolfenden has been appalling, he’s playing 23’s football for a reason right now. |  |
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| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:09 - Mar 16 with 1598 views | Pique |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:03 - Mar 16 by Keaneish |
We don’t have any wing backs in our squad though. |
I actually think Kenlock is better suited to wing back than full back.
Matheson has the energy to do it, and obviously KVY could do it (if we ever see him again).
I’m not saying it’s ideal or even that I particularly want to play it - just that, at this moment, with the players at our disposal, it makes more sense than Jackson up front on his own, a centre forward as a no 10 and Judge on the left wing. |  | | |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:09 - Mar 16 with 1598 views | Radlett_blue |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:07 - Mar 16 by chrismakin |
You're saying kenlock
Yet hes just had a shocking game. So formation wouldnt have changed that. |
I wasn't saying that at all. Yes, Kenlock was poor tonight. And I don't think we should play wing backs.
I was responding to the poster who said we didn't have players in our squad who could play as wing backs, if we wanted to play that way. |  |
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| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:09 - Mar 16 with 1598 views | townblue |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:04 - Mar 16 by MrTown |
What will 2 up top achieve other than 1 if you can’t pass a football or control a football? [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 22:05]
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It's an easier system to play, especially if you resort to going direct. Have someone to win the more direct balls and flick on etc. Then have another who's role is to gamble on these.
I'd say you can play quite direct with two up top without actually needing to do too much decent passing or controlling. Especially in league one where you can expect defensive mistakes.
Edit: I know it's never going to happen but it's what I would be doing to try and get out of this league with the players we have [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 22:11]
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| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:09 - Mar 16 with 1598 views | Kropotkin123 |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 21:27 - Mar 16 by Keaneish |
What’s the right system for these players? |
Right back in the changing room... Left back on the bus... etc |  |
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| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:11 - Mar 16 with 1585 views | Radlett_blue |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:09 - Mar 16 by townblue |
It's an easier system to play, especially if you resort to going direct. Have someone to win the more direct balls and flick on etc. Then have another who's role is to gamble on these.
I'd say you can play quite direct with two up top without actually needing to do too much decent passing or controlling. Especially in league one where you can expect defensive mistakes.
Edit: I know it's never going to happen but it's what I would be doing to try and get out of this league with the players we have [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 22:11]
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Hmm...4-4-2, Mike Basset style. Knock it long every time & win the 2nd ball. If we want to do that, we should have hired Steve Evans. | |
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| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:13 - Mar 16 with 1579 views | Pique |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:08 - Mar 16 by MrTown |
None of them strikers could do a decent job as a 1,2 or 3.
Judge, Bishop, Dozzell are shambolic options, far from decent.
Them wingbacks, mid table at best.
CB are ok, possibly top 10. Woolfenden has been appalling, he’s playing 23’s football for a reason right now. |
You asked how we could play to our strengths - that’s my suggestion.
Alternatively we could just sack the entire playing staff if you’d prefer. | | | |
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| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:14 - Mar 16 with 1569 views | townblue |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:11 - Mar 16 by Radlett_blue |
Hmm...4-4-2, Mike Basset style. Knock it long every time & win the 2nd ball. If we want to do that, we should have hired Steve Evans. |
We tried plenty of long balls today with one up front who was never going to do anything with them so wouldn't have been any worse.
As much as I'd love us to play a free flowing 4231 we are not up to it. | | | |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:15 - Mar 16 with 1568 views | MrTown |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:13 - Mar 16 by Pique |
You asked how we could play to our strengths - that’s my suggestion.
Alternatively we could just sack the entire playing staff if you’d prefer. |
Unfortunately nothing will be achieved until this group of players leave. [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 22:17]
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| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:16 - Mar 16 with 1561 views | MrTown |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:09 - Mar 16 by townblue |
It's an easier system to play, especially if you resort to going direct. Have someone to win the more direct balls and flick on etc. Then have another who's role is to gamble on these.
I'd say you can play quite direct with two up top without actually needing to do too much decent passing or controlling. Especially in league one where you can expect defensive mistakes.
Edit: I know it's never going to happen but it's what I would be doing to try and get out of this league with the players we have [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 22:11]
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This group of players can’t make 5 yard passes, how are we expecting them to hit a target over 40/50 yard passes. | |
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| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:17 - Mar 16 with 1553 views | Pique |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:11 - Mar 16 by Radlett_blue |
Hmm...4-4-2, Mike Basset style. Knock it long every time & win the 2nd ball. If we want to do that, we should have hired Steve Evans. |
That’s exactly what we did do tonight! Except to one person rather than two. | | | |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:18 - Mar 16 with 1544 views | IpswichKnight |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 21:27 - Mar 16 by Keaneish |
What’s the right system for these players? |
Whatever formation Colchester are playing as that is probably the level for a lot of this dross we have here. |  | | |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:18 - Mar 16 with 1542 views | Radlett_blue |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:14 - Mar 16 by townblue |
We tried plenty of long balls today with one up front who was never going to do anything with them so wouldn't have been any worse.
As much as I'd love us to play a free flowing 4231 we are not up to it. |
Yes, especially in the first half, Town hit umpteen aimless long balls & if we're going to play like that, 4-4-2 would have made more sense. I'm guessing that Cook was hoping town wouldn't play like that. Early days for Mr Cook, but on the evidence of 4 games, he doesn't exactly seem a half time magician. | |
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| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:18 - Mar 16 with 1542 views | townblue |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:16 - Mar 16 by MrTown |
This group of players can’t make 5 yard passes, how are we expecting them to hit a target over 40/50 yard passes. |
Direct football with 2 up front does not require 40/50 yard pinpoint passes. It's about playing into areas and working to make things happen. Look at what Vassell made from fairly average passes into the channels tonight. | | | |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:19 - Mar 16 with 1540 views | Pique |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:15 - Mar 16 by MrTown |
Unfortunately nothing will be achieved until this group of players leave. [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 22:17]
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I don’t disagree that we need a massive clear out.
But until that can happen we might as well try putting some round pegs in round holes. | | | |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:20 - Mar 16 with 1539 views | townblue |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:18 - Mar 16 by Radlett_blue |
Yes, especially in the first half, Town hit umpteen aimless long balls & if we're going to play like that, 4-4-2 would have made more sense. I'm guessing that Cook was hoping town wouldn't play like that. Early days for Mr Cook, but on the evidence of 4 games, he doesn't exactly seem a half time magician. |
Yeah, I agree and I hope Cook can get them playing that way. Just based on the theme of the thread, this is what I would do in my fantasy world if I was manager. | | | |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:42 - Mar 16 with 1481 views | MrTown |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:18 - Mar 16 by townblue |
Direct football with 2 up front does not require 40/50 yard pinpoint passes. It's about playing into areas and working to make things happen. Look at what Vassell made from fairly average passes into the channels tonight. |
Don’t think hit and hope has ever been his style, he’s got his philosophies, proven as well. Leave him to build his squad.
Manager, not a magician remember. [Post edited 16 Mar 2021 22:43]
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| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:43 - Mar 16 with 1480 views | haynes_toe1 |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 22:19 - Mar 16 by Pique |
I don’t disagree that we need a massive clear out.
But until that can happen we might as well try putting some round pegs in round holes. |
Yeah, exactly this. And we have an immediate chance to get into the playoffs thanks to the state of this league and a 3 winning run before Lambert left. If Cook wants to build his own team that's going to be signficantly easier with a championship budget so maybe he should look to play to our strengths?
We have better players than Fleetwood. We should not be losing 2-0 to them. | | | |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 23:16 - Mar 16 with 1457 views | gazzer1999 |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 21:26 - Mar 16 by Pique |
Spot on.
Hurst, Lambert and now Cook have all made this mistake.
We just don’t have the personnel to play 4-2-3-1. We don’t have a proper target man, we don’t have a single decent wide player and we’re playing a loanee centre forward as our no 10.
Utter madness. |
You all knew his preferred style of play when you wanted him as manager what do you expect? |  | | |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 23:20 - Mar 16 with 1454 views | chrismakin |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 23:16 - Mar 16 by gazzer1999 |
You all knew his preferred style of play when you wanted him as manager what do you expect? |
Cooks not going to come in after being successful with Wigan, Pompy and Chesterfield, playing 4 2 3 1, having his own way of managing a side etc and suddenly change to different formations.
He mentioned something in his after game comments which is key,
"But as well as trying to get promoted, I’m also trying to find out about the character and the players, and that can be tough for a manager because while you want to help them and make changes, sometimes it’s only in adversity you find out about people."
It must be very difficult to have supporter expectations of immediate success, whilst knowing you've got no time to actually figure out what you actually have available as a players | |
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| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 23:40 - Mar 16 with 1439 views | Suffolktractor |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 23:20 - Mar 16 by chrismakin |
Cooks not going to come in after being successful with Wigan, Pompy and Chesterfield, playing 4 2 3 1, having his own way of managing a side etc and suddenly change to different formations.
He mentioned something in his after game comments which is key,
"But as well as trying to get promoted, I’m also trying to find out about the character and the players, and that can be tough for a manager because while you want to help them and make changes, sometimes it’s only in adversity you find out about people."
It must be very difficult to have supporter expectations of immediate success, whilst knowing you've got no time to actually figure out what you actually have available as a players |
To be honest if they can’t even control a football when it gets played to them and then pass it to someone else in a blue shirt then there is no hope, no matter what sort of character they have.
Tonight we were utter dross, no shape, no ideas, no inspiration, no ball skills and completely out played by a team that just wanted to compete more than we did. Embarrassing. | | | |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 23:45 - Mar 16 with 1434 views | chrismakin |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 23:40 - Mar 16 by Suffolktractor |
To be honest if they can’t even control a football when it gets played to them and then pass it to someone else in a blue shirt then there is no hope, no matter what sort of character they have.
Tonight we were utter dross, no shape, no ideas, no inspiration, no ball skills and completely out played by a team that just wanted to compete more than we did. Embarrassing. |
What gets me, is 'THAT' opening 20 minutes last week, the pressing of Hull and the recent form of the likes of Kenlock showed they have something buried deep down inside of them that passes off as a football league player
It just doesn't seem to want to come out for long. | |
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| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 23:48 - Mar 16 with 1424 views | Suffolktractor |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 23:45 - Mar 16 by chrismakin |
What gets me, is 'THAT' opening 20 minutes last week, the pressing of Hull and the recent form of the likes of Kenlock showed they have something buried deep down inside of them that passes off as a football league player
It just doesn't seem to want to come out for long. |
I agree, it is so frustrating.
It seems if the opposition set up to have a real go at us and get in our faces, we go into our shells and hide. | | | |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 23:51 - Mar 16 with 1416 views | chrismakin |
| imo Cook is making the same mistake as Lambert did on 23:48 - Mar 16 by Suffolktractor |
I agree, it is so frustrating.
It seems if the opposition set up to have a real go at us and get in our faces, we go into our shells and hide. |
Annoying thing is like tonight, Fleetwood didn't do anything that was amazing, it wasn't rough, it wasn't quick, it was just abit less Meh than we were were.
However, we make the simple things look so damn hard
We had parrott again running into the exact same places as Jackson, god knows who was actually what tonight, compared to Plymouth, neither of them seemed to know their position.
Dozzell ran towards his own goal, Skuse is still walking off the pitch as we speak. | |
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