| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... 23:03 - Mar 20 with 5406 views | N2_Blue |
I expect us to finish 7th-10th this season...HOWEVER...
ITFC will WIN L1 under PC next year....ass long as least half this squad is gone. I don't expect Evans will allow much funds for recruitment but frees of Cook's choice will do as long as we have a reset.
We must change over 50% of this squad though....and i mean MUST...it is rotten to the core...confidence is so damaged and has a losing mentality that i think its irreversible.
Change the squad, get the players for Cook's formation, we will be successful. Just hope Cook's enthusiasm doesn't wane over tough weeks ahead and a hesitant Evans in the summer.
Cook is the real deal.....TRUST....seriously. It will happen but forget this season!
There will be no takeover. I've said this since the first rumours. Not going to say why but Evans will own the club come the first game of next season. Fans expecting anything will be disappointed I'm afraid. But please get behind Cook and his team...especially when we are back at PR.
|  |
| |  |
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 17:36 - Mar 21 with 697 views | J2BLUE |
There will be no takeover. I've said this since the first rumours.
Quite an odd thing to boast about when it was confirmed that there was something in it by a variety of people far more ITK than you. Your position was purely out of pessimism.
Agree on the wider point about Cook. People need to be patient and give him some time. It might even be better to go up next season with players with a bit of belief and fight who can ride the momentum than this bunch who would probably come back down with record low points. Before the usual suspects start mocking and talking about new grounds etc I am only making a point. Of course we need to go up any way we can. |  |
| |
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 17:38 - Mar 21 with 696 views | J2BLUE |
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 17:31 - Mar 21 by chrismakin |
Yeah, because Evans has never invested anything into the playing squad
but somehow we have 53 registered players,
Evans just needs a manager he cant trust with the transfer budget unlike Hurst and Lambert. [Post edited 21 Mar 2021 17:34]
|
What like Mick McCarthy?
I don't disagree that Evans will fund a competitive squad in this league but long term he is the problem. I won't be returning to PR (other than to spend the credit on my account to attend games) until he's gone. | |
| |
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 17:41 - Mar 21 with 691 views | chrismakin |
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 17:38 - Mar 21 by J2BLUE |
What like Mick McCarthy?
I don't disagree that Evans will fund a competitive squad in this league but long term he is the problem. I won't be returning to PR (other than to spend the credit on my account to attend games) until he's gone. |
Yes and McCarthy did rather relatively well, and turned down the offer of further funds, which was admirable.
But, I assume no one not investing into the club going forwards will then moan about lack of budget available. |  |
| |
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 17:45 - Mar 21 with 681 views | J2BLUE |
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 17:41 - Mar 21 by chrismakin |
Yes and McCarthy did rather relatively well, and turned down the offer of further funds, which was admirable.
But, I assume no one not investing into the club going forwards will then moan about lack of budget available. |
How many times does Phil have to correct that first point before people stop saying it? There was not a lot of money available. MM signed Sears. No evidence to suggest he turned down more money or didn't have targets in mind to strengthen.
Your second point is really why the fans need a united stance. We disagree on the action we need to take. You've gone full Cook fangirl and put all your faith in him. I think he'll do well but long term what do you think is going to happen? We won't be able to compete in the Championship with the current level of backing.
The way I see it is you want to paper over the cracks. I want to fix the boat. | |
| |
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 17:51 - Mar 21 with 671 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
As all managers do, Cook needs time. We've all known this season was a right of for months, painful though it is we can fully expect another season in L1.
Cook needs to assess the squad and make big decisions for the summer, we know the squad has to be reduced and I think a few more than expect it will be out the door come the off season. You cant expect somone to come in and everything will just change, we have too many players that don't care, it's got nothing to do with ability, it's about heart and desire, mentality, will and desire to win. Too many like Ipswich because it's easy street. I'm not sure how many players are even interested in football rather than they lifestyle it affords. There has been no pressure at Ipswich until we went down and then too many players either assumed (as many of did) we would walk it and go straight back up or were simply found wanting when there suddenly was expectation upon their shoulders.
We have suffered from confused and non joined up thinking from top down. Everthing from the back of a day packet 5 point plan to player and managerial recruitment.
It's notwithin and individual to to address all of that and ultimately Evans has to work out how we can put a structure in place that lets his manager's thrive.
So many clubs seem to be capable of doing a lot more with a lot less and if our thinking was even half as intelligent as some other clubs are run we should be laughing with out budget in L1.
The champ would be a different matter and highlights even more that the game is too rich for Evans. He needs to put up or shut up. I think Cook will improve us regardless but for him to really get us where we want to be Evans has to change almost his entire approach to ownership |  |
| |
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 17:51 - Mar 21 with 671 views | chrismakin |
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 17:45 - Mar 21 by J2BLUE |
How many times does Phil have to correct that first point before people stop saying it? There was not a lot of money available. MM signed Sears. No evidence to suggest he turned down more money or didn't have targets in mind to strengthen.
Your second point is really why the fans need a united stance. We disagree on the action we need to take. You've gone full Cook fangirl and put all your faith in him. I think he'll do well but long term what do you think is going to happen? We won't be able to compete in the Championship with the current level of backing.
The way I see it is you want to paper over the cracks. I want to fix the boat. |
If no one is willing to buy the club ( and by willing, I mean pay what it's worth) and by refusing to support the club financially ourselves, aren't we just part of the long term problem ourselves?
I think Evans has his faults, but I also feel he has been burnt by the managers he has put his trust in. Yes I like Cook, and yes I think he's the best manager since Burley we will have had at this club. I also feel that Evans will also see the difference in Cook compared to previous managers and I think this will turn into something positive long term. But that's my personal view.
There's a lot I don't feel Evans has done well on of course. BUT supporting managers is not one of them. | |
| |
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 17:57 - Mar 21 with 662 views | J2BLUE |
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 17:51 - Mar 21 by chrismakin |
If no one is willing to buy the club ( and by willing, I mean pay what it's worth) and by refusing to support the club financially ourselves, aren't we just part of the long term problem ourselves?
I think Evans has his faults, but I also feel he has been burnt by the managers he has put his trust in. Yes I like Cook, and yes I think he's the best manager since Burley we will have had at this club. I also feel that Evans will also see the difference in Cook compared to previous managers and I think this will turn into something positive long term. But that's my personal view.
There's a lot I don't feel Evans has done well on of course. BUT supporting managers is not one of them. |
A deal was with the EFL to be ratified. What has changed? How will you feel if it's revealed that Evans pulled out after agreeing a price because he saw the potential to go up?
I just don't understand how you can have the view you do. Our trend under Evans is downwards. Yes he's spent a bit of money and rejected a few bits but far too often the squad had been filled out with poor loanees, trialists and players like Coke who didn't deserve to be anywhere enar the squad. I have no doubt we will go up in the next couple of seasons under Cook but then that lack of investment is once again going to send us down and it will get harder and harder to get back up each time.
Look at Norwich. When Evans got here we were better than them and we were the number one club in East Anglia. He has tied a hand behind our back for well over a decade now. We could be the third club in East Anglia next year. How is this acceptable for you? | |
| |
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 18:05 - Mar 21 with 655 views | chrismakin |
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 17:57 - Mar 21 by J2BLUE |
A deal was with the EFL to be ratified. What has changed? How will you feel if it's revealed that Evans pulled out after agreeing a price because he saw the potential to go up?
I just don't understand how you can have the view you do. Our trend under Evans is downwards. Yes he's spent a bit of money and rejected a few bits but far too often the squad had been filled out with poor loanees, trialists and players like Coke who didn't deserve to be anywhere enar the squad. I have no doubt we will go up in the next couple of seasons under Cook but then that lack of investment is once again going to send us down and it will get harder and harder to get back up each time.
Look at Norwich. When Evans got here we were better than them and we were the number one club in East Anglia. He has tied a hand behind our back for well over a decade now. We could be the third club in East Anglia next year. How is this acceptable for you? |
You mention players like Coke, we that's what I mean on another thread
You have chance to go and get 4 quality players, or go sign 10 for the same value what do you do....... our previous managers all went the quantity route, and then we're left moaning about lack of investments etc. It doesn't add up, you don't end up with a large squad without investment, it's bad player recruitment.
Regarding your first point, it's a difficult one. One one hand, I'd be annoyed, but then the other is I look at it two ways. 1 it's his club to sell at the value he wants for it, 2 - will a change of owner actually turn out positive. There's always risks, no one knows
Regarding 3rd point. As i said, there is loads Evans has got wrong. But the buck stops with the managers, Evans didn't relegate us, his decisions on management did, that's his biggest failings as owner of ITFC, he's trusted the wrong people all the way through his ownership. | |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 18:10 - Mar 21 with 646 views | J2BLUE |
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 18:05 - Mar 21 by chrismakin |
You mention players like Coke, we that's what I mean on another thread
You have chance to go and get 4 quality players, or go sign 10 for the same value what do you do....... our previous managers all went the quantity route, and then we're left moaning about lack of investments etc. It doesn't add up, you don't end up with a large squad without investment, it's bad player recruitment.
Regarding your first point, it's a difficult one. One one hand, I'd be annoyed, but then the other is I look at it two ways. 1 it's his club to sell at the value he wants for it, 2 - will a change of owner actually turn out positive. There's always risks, no one knows
Regarding 3rd point. As i said, there is loads Evans has got wrong. But the buck stops with the managers, Evans didn't relegate us, his decisions on management did, that's his biggest failings as owner of ITFC, he's trusted the wrong people all the way through his ownership. |
We didn't have a massive squad under MM. You can't pretend we did.
We were an investment gamble for him and he has made us suffer for over a decade. Why can't you see this?
No he wasn't the manager who took us down but how much do you need to hear about how he refuses to delegate power, isn't at the club very much, didn't provide a competitive budget in the Championship, didn't invest when we had a golden chance to go up and all the other stuff?
You've created this fairytale ending in your head where Evans is going to love Cook so much that he's going to back him in the Championship and we're going to compete. Get real. He DID NOT back MM who had earnt his trust when we were so close to getting out of this league. He's not going to back Cook in the Championship with anything like what we need. A season after going up we'll find ourselves back in this league and maybe some of you will have woken up by then and be ready to actually try and force a change. | |
| |
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 18:19 - Mar 21 with 632 views | chrismakin |
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 18:10 - Mar 21 by J2BLUE |
We didn't have a massive squad under MM. You can't pretend we did.
We were an investment gamble for him and he has made us suffer for over a decade. Why can't you see this?
No he wasn't the manager who took us down but how much do you need to hear about how he refuses to delegate power, isn't at the club very much, didn't provide a competitive budget in the Championship, didn't invest when we had a golden chance to go up and all the other stuff?
You've created this fairytale ending in your head where Evans is going to love Cook so much that he's going to back him in the Championship and we're going to compete. Get real. He DID NOT back MM who had earnt his trust when we were so close to getting out of this league. He's not going to back Cook in the Championship with anything like what we need. A season after going up we'll find ourselves back in this league and maybe some of you will have woken up by then and be ready to actually try and force a change. |
Im saying where we are at the moment squad size shows there hasn't been a lack of investment, didn't mention Micks squad size, although the likes of Waghorn, Bart salary's etc were certainly not small. Mick signed 81 players in his time at town, of course we can say no real transfer fee value, but that's a lot of agent fees, sign on fees, bonus's, weekly salaries, loan fee's etc etc So no, I will never agree that Mick was not supported financially.
I've said I agree, Evans has done a lot wrong. Haven't disagreed on that front.
I haven't also said Evans will suddenly get the cheque book out and give Cook more money than others. I also don't think Evans will change the way he works
But I personally feel that PC will make the most of the finances available, something many other managers under Evans have failed to do so. [Post edited 21 Mar 2021 18:24]
| |
| |
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 18:26 - Mar 21 with 618 views | N2_Blue |
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 17:36 - Mar 21 by J2BLUE |
There will be no takeover. I've said this since the first rumours.
Quite an odd thing to boast about when it was confirmed that there was something in it by a variety of people far more ITK than you. Your position was purely out of pessimism.
Agree on the wider point about Cook. People need to be patient and give him some time. It might even be better to go up next season with players with a bit of belief and fight who can ride the momentum than this bunch who would probably come back down with record low points. Before the usual suspects start mocking and talking about new grounds etc I am only making a point. Of course we need to go up any way we can. |
I never said there wasn't any interest or an offer did i.
There was, and I never disputed that, but it was never something agreeable to Evans and quite frankly you know nothing about my position...nothing to do with pessimism.
The outcome has been my preferred situation, as not much about the gamechanger deal would have been a good thing for the club. | |
| |
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 18:38 - Mar 21 with 602 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 18:26 - Mar 21 by N2_Blue |
I never said there wasn't any interest or an offer did i.
There was, and I never disputed that, but it was never something agreeable to Evans and quite frankly you know nothing about my position...nothing to do with pessimism.
The outcome has been my preferred situation, as not much about the gamechanger deal would have been a good thing for the club. |
What don't you like about Game changer? | |
| |
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 18:46 - Mar 21 with 589 views | J2BLUE |
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 18:19 - Mar 21 by chrismakin |
Im saying where we are at the moment squad size shows there hasn't been a lack of investment, didn't mention Micks squad size, although the likes of Waghorn, Bart salary's etc were certainly not small. Mick signed 81 players in his time at town, of course we can say no real transfer fee value, but that's a lot of agent fees, sign on fees, bonus's, weekly salaries, loan fee's etc etc So no, I will never agree that Mick was not supported financially.
I've said I agree, Evans has done a lot wrong. Haven't disagreed on that front.
I haven't also said Evans will suddenly get the cheque book out and give Cook more money than others. I also don't think Evans will change the way he works
But I personally feel that PC will make the most of the finances available, something many other managers under Evans have failed to do so. [Post edited 21 Mar 2021 18:24]
|
We were talking about Coke. MM signed him so what relevance is the size of the squad now?
I give up. You have your view and nothing is going to challenge it. Lets hope you are right but history isn't on your side since Evans arrived. | |
| |
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 08:38 - Mar 22 with 523 views | Stewart27 |
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 18:05 - Mar 21 by chrismakin |
You mention players like Coke, we that's what I mean on another thread
You have chance to go and get 4 quality players, or go sign 10 for the same value what do you do....... our previous managers all went the quantity route, and then we're left moaning about lack of investments etc. It doesn't add up, you don't end up with a large squad without investment, it's bad player recruitment.
Regarding your first point, it's a difficult one. One one hand, I'd be annoyed, but then the other is I look at it two ways. 1 it's his club to sell at the value he wants for it, 2 - will a change of owner actually turn out positive. There's always risks, no one knows
Regarding 3rd point. As i said, there is loads Evans has got wrong. But the buck stops with the managers, Evans didn't relegate us, his decisions on management did, that's his biggest failings as owner of ITFC, he's trusted the wrong people all the way through his ownership. |
So the buck stops with Evans then?
I’d love some of what you’re drinking. How you have an ounce of optimism under this current owner is beyond me. |  | | |
| Bit disappointed by number of posters on Cook's case already... on 09:26 - Mar 22 with 495 views | clive_baker |
There's only so much one bloke can do in a very short amount of time on the training ground to undo literally years of decline. The whole DNA and fabric of the club needs a big shake up and reset, and that will take time. I think Cook is a good appointment, driven, passionate, likeable, knowledgeable and delighted to be here. The right players and attitude around him will bring results and performances, I can see how his personality would be infectious and people will go with him. My fear is the malaise is so deep rooted and the 'player power' is so strong that a quite drastic reset is needed as you suggest. There are a number of good servants that need to be moved on sensitively. Thanks for your efforts, but it's a natural time to rebuild a different look Town.
Hopefully fans afford him that opportunity and time. I think there needs to be a realisation that it will take at least a full close and pre season. There's a lot of talk about this week on the training ground, and while its a good opportunity and more time than he's had so far, it's unlikely to change too much ahead of Saturday. For me it's a case of saying lets try and get up, do everything in our power to get up this season and if it happens that's great. But in terms of appraising Cook, lets give him the courtesy he deserves and at least wait until 10-15 games into next season after he's had a chance to make us 'his own'.
Wouldn't be so sure a takeover is totally dead in the water by the way, if not to the Americans to someone else. |  |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
