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I don't know why he felt the need to retract that, or people are up in arms about it. He's spot on, and it's refreshing to see him being so honest for a change.
'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 09:23 - Mar 24 by xrayspecs
Not a fan of Boris but some context
- He was speaking to the 1922 Committee, who effectively represent the capitalist right wing of his party. He is talking their book, even if the comments were ill judged and open to a lot of political interpretations. - He is trying to keep the 1922 C on Board. They are pushing for Boris to reopen the economy much sooner than the governments own (ambitious imv) plan and are threatening to vote against the government this week when it seeks to extend the Government's emergency Covid powers until the Autumn. I think it will be voted on tomorrow? - The UK were quick to sign agreements with vaccine manufacturers to ensure that we are at the front of the queue when vaccines became available. There are differing views on the merits of this approach, it is though what a number of wealthier countries have done. - The pharma industry have been supplying these vaccines globally at cost, so are likely to be losing money as resources are diverted away from more profitable research and commercial activities. I think the industry deserves a lot of credit for how it has acted - pooling resources, including manufacturing capacity and for producing vaccines at incredible scale and on a not for profit basis.
I suspect that this comment will be used repeatedly by his domestic and EU opponents. It was a stupid political mistake and not the first time he has misspoken.
The 1922 Committee don't represent the capitalist right wing of the Tory party. They are every Tory MP who doesn't have a ministerial position.
That said, by definition all Tory MP's, Ministers or backbenchers, are capitalists.
'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 08:52 - Mar 24 by giant_stow
Oops. It's funny though, this is safe ground I reckon. As mentioned above, even the the UK rollout has depended heavily on the nhs, so where exactly is the capitalist element?
I thought the point was just that Boris is talking sh1t again.
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
How good would it be if all posters supposed colleagues, friends, family told TWTD what they had said during meetings, reunions, gatherings whatever. How many would be as 'clean' as they make out they are on this forum...
'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 12:42 - Mar 24 by Timefliesbyintheblue
How good would it be if all posters supposed colleagues, friends, family told TWTD what they had said during meetings, reunions, gatherings whatever. How many would be as 'clean' as they make out they are on this forum...
Difference being, none of us are politicians who need to be held to account through public scrutiny.
Mad, I know, but it's true.
Dear old footers KC - Private Counsel to Big Farmer - Liberator of Vichy TWTD
'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 12:44 - Mar 24 by footers
Difference being, none of us are politicians who need to be held to account through public scrutiny.
Mad, I know, but it's true.
indeed. Interesting, too, that in defence of Boris timefliesby has also added "reunions, gatherings whatever." This wasn't a chat with his mates, this was work. And no, I haven't made inappropriate comments on work calls!
Like you say, I'm not the Prime Minister either.
Trust the process. Trust Phil.
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'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 12:52 - Mar 24 with 2414 views
'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 12:44 - Mar 24 by footers
Difference being, none of us are politicians who need to be held to account through public scrutiny.
Mad, I know, but it's true.
It is a fair point of course and to a certain extent I made mine in jest. I am concerned though that successive governments for the last 20 years seem to leak like the proverbial sieve. It is in all our interests (yes I believe it is) that at times a confidential meeting is just that - yesterdays of course was not such a get together.
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'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 12:54 - Mar 24 with 2408 views
'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 12:52 - Mar 24 by Timefliesbyintheblue
It is a fair point of course and to a certain extent I made mine in jest. I am concerned though that successive governments for the last 20 years seem to leak like the proverbial sieve. It is in all our interests (yes I believe it is) that at times a confidential meeting is just that - yesterdays of course was not such a get together.
As I've alluded to earlier, the reason I believe this 'hilarious' exchange about a cheese sandwich and greed was purposefully leaked was as a snipe at the EU's vaccine rollout and to pander to their base. Others will of course disagree.
Dear old footers KC - Private Counsel to Big Farmer - Liberator of Vichy TWTD
'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 12:52 - Mar 24 by The_Flashing_Smile
indeed. Interesting, too, that in defence of Boris timefliesby has also added "reunions, gatherings whatever." This wasn't a chat with his mates, this was work. And no, I haven't made inappropriate comments on work calls!
'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 12:52 - Mar 24 by Timefliesbyintheblue
It is a fair point of course and to a certain extent I made mine in jest. I am concerned though that successive governments for the last 20 years seem to leak like the proverbial sieve. It is in all our interests (yes I believe it is) that at times a confidential meeting is just that - yesterdays of course was not such a get together.
So you're saying you'd rather his true thoughts stay hidden and you want to carry on lapping up the bullsh!t and spin you're fed?
Trust the process. Trust Phil.
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'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 13:03 - Mar 24 with 2386 views
'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 12:58 - Mar 24 by The_Flashing_Smile
So you're saying you'd rather his true thoughts stay hidden and you want to carry on lapping up the bullsh!t and spin you're fed?
There is always one (no that is not true there are several of you) who find it impossible to post without being derogatory..... The point I was making was that there have been instances of confidential Cobra meetings concerning covid, defence or and terroism that have been leaked to the media when at the time is was not in the national interest. Politicians and perhaps the rest of us also are not as trustworthy with our tongues as we used to be. If you want to put yourself on the pedestal of believing those who differ from your view are lapping up BS and spin so be it.
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'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 13:23 - Mar 24 with 2355 views
'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 12:56 - Mar 24 by GlasgowBlue
That wasn't a work call, that was to the bloke's face! I also wasn't knowingly making a poor comment, I thought that was the name of the music player in question!
Trust the process. Trust Phil.
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'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 13:34 - Mar 24 with 2339 views
'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 12:54 - Mar 24 by footers
As I've alluded to earlier, the reason I believe this 'hilarious' exchange about a cheese sandwich and greed was purposefully leaked was as a snipe at the EU's vaccine rollout and to pander to their base. Others will of course disagree.
Spot on.
“Give it to Kuenssberg and she’ll just print it.”
Utterly useless “journalist” who happens to be providing no service to the public. She didn’t even ask what cheese FFS.
Pronouns: He/Him
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'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 13:35 - Mar 24 with 2338 views
'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 13:12 - Mar 24 by Timefliesbyintheblue
There is always one (no that is not true there are several of you) who find it impossible to post without being derogatory..... The point I was making was that there have been instances of confidential Cobra meetings concerning covid, defence or and terroism that have been leaked to the media when at the time is was not in the national interest. Politicians and perhaps the rest of us also are not as trustworthy with our tongues as we used to be. If you want to put yourself on the pedestal of believing those who differ from your view are lapping up BS and spin so be it.
You're getting desperate in your attempts to defend Boris. We weren't talking about Cobra meetings, defence or terrorism.
If you don't think the majority of what's put out by this, or most, governments is BS and spin then god help you. They literally employ spin doctors mate.
And I haven't been derogatory to anyone. I'm just saying it as it is - you want Boris's true thoughts to stay hidden.
Trust the process. Trust Phil.
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'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 13:37 - Mar 24 with 2330 views
The AZ vaccine was developed using public and charitable funding by a higher education institution. It is being produced at cost price. Greed and profit are nowhere near this one, which is providing us with the vast majority of our doses.
He's a dangerous blinkered ideologue.
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'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 13:48 - Mar 24 with 2298 views
'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 13:48 - Mar 24 by Darth_Koont
Saw this the other day about Marr. Though could be applied to Laura K, Peston or any of the other blushing and breathless access-junkies.
How this lot are still allowed to report anything, let alone be at the very top of their profession, is beyond me.
This is back on the iPlayer for another three months, I am three episodes in and, for once, the benefit of hindsight concurs with what many were saying about all the mistakes being made at that time:
'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 13:35 - Mar 24 by The_Flashing_Smile
You're getting desperate in your attempts to defend Boris. We weren't talking about Cobra meetings, defence or terrorism.
If you don't think the majority of what's put out by this, or most, governments is BS and spin then god help you. They literally employ spin doctors mate.
And I haven't been derogatory to anyone. I'm just saying it as it is - you want Boris's true thoughts to stay hidden.
Defending Boris is the political equivalent of suggesting that Paul Lambert should have kept his job.
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
'Greed' and 'capitalism' helped UK's vaccines success, says PM on 13:37 - Mar 24 by Cotty
Because it's complete bollox.
The AZ vaccine was developed using public and charitable funding by a higher education institution. It is being produced at cost price. Greed and profit are nowhere near this one, which is providing us with the vast majority of our doses.
He's a dangerous blinkered ideologue.
It is a little more nuanced than this.
Oxford Uni did develop the vaccine using public money and grants.
However, Oxford Uni and UK government have been working together from the start of the pandemic. The UK government were prepared to sign early contracts with vaccines manufacturers to help de-risk their investment in manufacturing capacity and stock. There were two conditions, the UK would receive the first doses and the vaccine needed to be made in the UK. Oxford partnered with AZ, they had originally proposed working with Merck. Hancock, to his credit, was concerned that Trump would block exports from the US to the UK, and was keen to secure control of the supply chain.
So, if anything, it is a public/private collaboration. You are right that AZ are supplying vaccines at cost. There is also a fair degree of commercial (capitalist?) UK government involvement, which has helped us to achieve vaccination rates way ahead of most other countries.
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