| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 10:49 - Mar 24 with 2082 views | NthQldITFC |
| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 09:22 - Mar 24 by Herbivore |
Greed and capitalism. |
'Very insistently', so it's OK. Buffoon. |  |
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| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 10:50 - Mar 24 with 2083 views | Guthrum |
| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 10:41 - Mar 24 by EdwardStone |
Agree that the current crop of renewables are wind/sun dependant
But we could and should be investing in 24/7 renewables like tidal, wave and micro hydro on rivers
These, and better energy storage, are the way forward....not just repeating the same old mistakes |
Indeed we should. But those things aren't ready yet either (plus they have limitations of their own*). Gas wells take relatively little time to put on line and the fuel can be fed into the existing setup.
We ought to have got serious about this stuff a decade or two ago. Then we might not have found ourselves in this situation. There were plenty of people warning about it.
Had an interesting conversation with my mother the other day, about the impact Silent Spring had when the book first came out.
* Not every river/estuary is suitable and when you interfere with water flow, it starts dumping silt. Plus the potential trashing of river/coastal ecosystems. |  |
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| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 11:02 - Mar 24 with 2051 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 10:50 - Mar 24 by Guthrum |
Indeed we should. But those things aren't ready yet either (plus they have limitations of their own*). Gas wells take relatively little time to put on line and the fuel can be fed into the existing setup.
We ought to have got serious about this stuff a decade or two ago. Then we might not have found ourselves in this situation. There were plenty of people warning about it.
Had an interesting conversation with my mother the other day, about the impact Silent Spring had when the book first came out.
* Not every river/estuary is suitable and when you interfere with water flow, it starts dumping silt. Plus the potential trashing of river/coastal ecosystems. |
Indeed.
It’s a little simplistic just to say use renewables only. We are getting there, and faster than many of our peers, but you need time to transition. I assume all those calling it out are driving electric cars rather than ICE? Probably not - and for the same reason - the time to build up infrastructure. |  | | |
| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 11:04 - Mar 24 with 2050 views | EdwardStone |
| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 10:50 - Mar 24 by Guthrum |
Indeed we should. But those things aren't ready yet either (plus they have limitations of their own*). Gas wells take relatively little time to put on line and the fuel can be fed into the existing setup.
We ought to have got serious about this stuff a decade or two ago. Then we might not have found ourselves in this situation. There were plenty of people warning about it.
Had an interesting conversation with my mother the other day, about the impact Silent Spring had when the book first came out.
* Not every river/estuary is suitable and when you interfere with water flow, it starts dumping silt. Plus the potential trashing of river/coastal ecosystems. |
I believe Silent Spring was published in 1962, so we have known about these problems and the solutions for half a centaury or so
And that is the great frustration....we have always failed to see the long-term solution and instead gone for the short-term bodge
There is never a good time for the expense of fitting a new roof to your house
Best to just buy a few more buckets to put under the drips
Until all the floorspace in your home is covered in buckets
And you still need to replace the roof |  | | |
| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 11:07 - Mar 24 with 2045 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 10:30 - Mar 24 by Darth_Koont |
What’s odd is that the time to reduce reliance on the North Sea and help transition the industry was when the industry was already hit by low oil prices. Now that growth is back on the cards it seems to be at cross-purposes to be talking about this new initiative and the green industrial revolution in the same breath.
Of course, this is really all about being laissez-faire, not providing the necessary green and onshore economy investment and letting the share dividends and bonuses fall where they may. |
“What’s odd is that the time to reduce reliance on the North Sea and help transition the industry was when the industry was already hit by low oil prices. Now that growth is back on the cards it seems to be at cross-purposes to be talking about this new initiative and the green industrial revolution in the same breath“
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| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 11:10 - Mar 24 with 2039 views | Meadowlark |
| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 09:53 - Mar 24 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
It’s not defending it mate, it’s just reality, just I have some knowledge in this area, and we need it to meet our energy needs. It will take some time to fully transition to renewables. Gas is perhaps unfairly Demonised, the gas burning power plants are much cleaner than coal, and Thus a good transition fuel. |
I have more knowledge in this area than you and you are wrong! |  | | |
| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 11:10 - Mar 24 with 2038 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 11:10 - Mar 24 by Meadowlark |
I have more knowledge in this area than you and you are wrong! |
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| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 11:18 - Mar 24 with 2016 views | GaryCooper |
Because we need oil to power the short term operating reserve power stations that are being built in large quantities around the UK.
Power stations to charge electric cars. |  | | |
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| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 11:27 - Mar 24 with 2004 views | solemio |
In time sewage will make a more significant contribution to energy needs than it currently does. At the moment it is statistically insignificant. | | | |
| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 11:58 - Mar 24 with 1986 views | Pendejo |
| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 11:04 - Mar 24 by EdwardStone |
I believe Silent Spring was published in 1962, so we have known about these problems and the solutions for half a centaury or so
And that is the great frustration....we have always failed to see the long-term solution and instead gone for the short-term bodge
There is never a good time for the expense of fitting a new roof to your house
Best to just buy a few more buckets to put under the drips
Until all the floorspace in your home is covered in buckets
And you still need to replace the roof |
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Until all the floors pace in your home is covered in buckets
Aah the memories of your executive accommodation. |  |
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| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 12:03 - Mar 24 with 1979 views | Pendejo |
| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 10:44 - Mar 24 by NthQldITFC |
Unfortunately we are murdering our own planet. |
Our planet has incredible resilience and bounce back ability, see Chernobyl.
I'm sure our planet will kill us long before we are a danger to it.
Unfortunately,, as a human race, we are killing ourselves thru killing our environment. But hey I'm never gonna meet my great great grandchildren, so who cares????? | |
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| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 13:20 - Mar 24 with 1955 views | DanTheMan |
| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 11:02 - Mar 24 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Indeed.
It’s a little simplistic just to say use renewables only. We are getting there, and faster than many of our peers, but you need time to transition. I assume all those calling it out are driving electric cars rather than ICE? Probably not - and for the same reason - the time to build up infrastructure. |
I am driving an electric car.
I'm also trying to reduce my own carbon footprint by not eating as much meat, and taking public transport / walking / cycling when I do go out and about.
Not all of us are complete hypocrites you know.
And I do not accept that gas and oil are literally the only possible ways we can continue to create more energy. We shut down large swathes of the global economy because of the pandemic which is arguably less serious than the threat posed by climate change so I'm fairly sure that we could, given shorter time periods, solve the issue without just resorting straight back to "more fossil fuels". |  |
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| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 13:50 - Mar 24 with 1930 views | stantheman |
| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 09:22 - Mar 24 by Herbivore |
Greed and capitalism. |
If we are buying gas etc from countries like Norway and Russia doesn't this makes sense until we are in a position to get all our power from renewable sources? |  | | |
| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 13:52 - Mar 24 with 1927 views | Herbivore |
| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 13:50 - Mar 24 by stantheman |
If we are buying gas etc from countries like Norway and Russia doesn't this makes sense until we are in a position to get all our power from renewable sources? |
Or we could just invest an awful lot more in renewables? |  |
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| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 13:59 - Mar 24 with 1923 views | stantheman |
| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 13:52 - Mar 24 by Herbivore |
Or we could just invest an awful lot more in renewables? |
I presume you have already purchased your electric car and replaced your gas boiler with a heat pump system. | | | |
| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 14:07 - Mar 24 with 1912 views | Herbivore |
| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 13:59 - Mar 24 by stantheman |
I presume you have already purchased your electric car and replaced your gas boiler with a heat pump system. |
Not yet, although I barely drive and got rid of my car entirely until I moved house and needed one again. I will go electric when it needs replacing. I am vegan as well, so my carbon footprint is pretty small in comparison to most. I hope that is sufficient for me to express an opinion on investing more in renewables. | |
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| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 14:15 - Mar 24 with 1905 views | stantheman |
| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 14:07 - Mar 24 by Herbivore |
Not yet, although I barely drive and got rid of my car entirely until I moved house and needed one again. I will go electric when it needs replacing. I am vegan as well, so my carbon footprint is pretty small in comparison to most. I hope that is sufficient for me to express an opinion on investing more in renewables. |
I didn't say you couldn't comment. Just asking about gas imports etc related to the original post. I would have thought that the replacement of all the gas appliances in the country is going to take a huge amount of time considering most houses being built at the moment still have gas boilers in them. Well done on the car side of things. Living in the sticks negates this for me. Electric car when they have improved with longer run times before charging. | | | |
| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 14:21 - Mar 24 with 1903 views | BloomBlue |
Lots of homes still use gas or oil for heating/hot water to replace all those is going to take a long time (and the cost of converting them to the home owner). Plus the main option to replace those will be to electric but if we convert all homes to electric we currently won't have enough supply especially if we're moving all cars to electric during the same period unless we build a few nuclear power stations. |  | | |
| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 14:28 - Mar 24 with 1897 views | Herbivore |
| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 14:15 - Mar 24 by stantheman |
I didn't say you couldn't comment. Just asking about gas imports etc related to the original post. I would have thought that the replacement of all the gas appliances in the country is going to take a huge amount of time considering most houses being built at the moment still have gas boilers in them. Well done on the car side of things. Living in the sticks negates this for me. Electric car when they have improved with longer run times before charging. |
Someone posted a thread on here recently about microwave boilers, which could be an interesting solution to how we heat our homes in the future. You are right that short term we need gas and converting homes to more eco solutions will take time and money. For generating electricity though it'd be good to see us being more progressive.
I actually really enjoyed not owning a car and it didn't really have a massive impact being without one. The move meant I needed one again and will do for the foreseeable but if it becomes feasible for me to not have one again then I'd be very happy to do so. | |
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| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 14:34 - Mar 24 with 1897 views | Ryorry |
| UK seeks to drill more oil and gas from North Sea on 10:41 - Mar 24 by EdwardStone |
Agree that the current crop of renewables are wind/sun dependant
But we could and should be investing in 24/7 renewables like tidal, wave and micro hydro on rivers
These, and better energy storage, are the way forward....not just repeating the same old mistakes |
Quite - people are probably sick of me repeatedly pointing out that hydro, tidal, and particularly wave power technology was being developed in Scotland in the 1990s, possibly earlier, and has consistently been overlooked for subsidies & support, esp for R&D, in total contrast with the oil & gas industries.
Can't think why, unless it was anything to do with many Tory cabinet members & their families being heavily invested in those industries & the financial institutions that support them ...  (don't worry Phil, facts, not libellous). |  |
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