| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls 08:55 - Mar 25 with 19908 views | gtsb1966 |
I wasn't too disappointed last year but this year i feel a bit deflated by the whole thing if I'm being honest. Usually go with a few mates for a week and then have another quiet week away to relax. Obviously needs must and all that but for some reason it has really peed me off. Anyway else feel the same. |  | | |  |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:41 - Mar 25 with 2796 views | StokieBlue |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:31 - Mar 25 by GlasgowBlue |
I’ve seen you post this a few times Stokie. Do you have a link?
I don’t doubt you but supermarkets and DIY stores are still sanitising their trollies. |
I've posted a link below and I will dig out the Lancet study.
I think for places like supermarkets it's just a routine now, I mean it can't hurt to sanitise surfaces but it's certainly not a huge vector of transmission, in fact it might not be much a vector at all.
The issue is that we didn't know much about C19 a year ago and this was thought to be a big vector of transmission and since then there hasn't been a change in the messaging from the government and most people aren't going to go reading papers in the Lancet so it just becomes the norm.
In the end, cleaning things is a good paradigm to have and should stay, I'm just not sure it's a valid reason to have toilet blocks closed at campsites etc. Probably more likely to get something else from them anyway rather than C19.
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:42 - Mar 25 with 2795 views | factual_blue |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:06 - Mar 25 by Guthrum |
It's not so long ago when holidays abroad were a luxury (affordable only to the few) rather than being almost considered a right. I think we're going to have to get used to it being more like that again, at least for some time.
I'm by no means opposed to foreign travel. It does generally broaden the mind. However - as you allude in the OP - it's not necessary during an international pandemic crisis and I think people were not very clever getting their hopes up for this summer*.
* Fuelled partly by travel companies and airlines understandably trying to save their businesses. |
I can remember my Dad installed their switchboard system at their offices on the Edgware Road.
They were part of Lunn Poly. Their original advertising was all holidays from 20 guineas.
(For the young, the guinea (£1.05) will be returning as our post-brexit Patriotic Currency) |  |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:42 - Mar 25 with 2793 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:35 - Mar 25 by Bluefish |
The sanitising hands thing disappeared ages ago and a few professor people have said it just isn't really a factor. It is possible but unlikely |
Much like being outdoors on sunny beaches and ting....who would have thunk it! |  |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:45 - Mar 25 with 2785 views | Bluefish |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:42 - Mar 25 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Much like being outdoors on sunny beaches and ting....who would have thunk it! |
Precisely the 2 weeks I spent in crete last year were probably 2 of my safest weeks of the year. Eating outside, playing in the pool or sea all day |  |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:46 - Mar 25 with 2788 views | Radlett_blue |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:06 - Mar 25 by Guthrum |
It's not so long ago when holidays abroad were a luxury (affordable only to the few) rather than being almost considered a right. I think we're going to have to get used to it being more like that again, at least for some time.
I'm by no means opposed to foreign travel. It does generally broaden the mind. However - as you allude in the OP - it's not necessary during an international pandemic crisis and I think people were not very clever getting their hopes up for this summer*.
* Fuelled partly by travel companies and airlines understandably trying to save their businesses. |
I think having your 2 weeks on a Costa has been seen as a "right" or the norm ever since the 'package travel industry brought the cost down to an affordable level. I don't think the prospect of a fortnight in Blackpool or Bridlington will replace that, especially given that we have been effective locked down for over a year.
Viruses always mutate & endlessly giving new variants national prefixes is unhelpful. Vaccination & then advising those who still feel unsafe to act cautiously in the only rational way forward. |  |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:52 - Mar 25 with 2775 views | itfcpaul |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:15 - Mar 25 by bluelagos |
Can't say I'm happy, but if the govt are following the scientist's advice, then so be it.
What I am not looking forward to is the localism gone mad we'll get all summer. People constantly moaning about visitors to the various UK spots/beaches. Holiday overseas, you're irresponsible. Holiday at home, you're unwelcome.
One of the bright spots of last summer was people using local(ish) outdoors - like the river down an Dedham. But boy did the locals get upset at the idea that other people were spoiling "their" beauty spot. |
but they never have and never do, always going against their advice and basing it on a risk against business and health, so please don't expect anything else |  |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:56 - Mar 25 with 2762 views | itfcpaul |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:31 - Mar 25 by BanksterDebtSlave |
If vaccines protect the individual and make transmission less likely then what am I missing? |
They only reduce transmission by maximum 30% so it's not stopping it, just redusing it, the vaccine is more about stopping people getting really ill and dying
The Giv have talked about it like it's a saviour. | |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:58 - Mar 25 with 2755 views | itfcpaul |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:35 - Mar 25 by Bluefish |
The sanitising hands thing disappeared ages ago and a few professor people have said it just isn't really a factor. It is possible but unlikely |
Did it really, have you seen or heard the latest Gov advice, even up to this morning??????????? | |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:59 - Mar 25 with 2752 views | StokieBlue |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:58 - Mar 25 by itfcpaul |
Did it really, have you seen or heard the latest Gov advice, even up to this morning??????????? |
Just because it's government advice it doesn't make the science correct.
There is no harm in washing things but it isn't the major vector of C19 transmission.
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:59 - Mar 25 with 2749 views | itfcpaul |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:45 - Mar 25 by Bluefish |
Precisely the 2 weeks I spent in crete last year were probably 2 of my safest weeks of the year. Eating outside, playing in the pool or sea all day |
sitting on a plane crammed in breathing in air from probable contaminated passengers, oh and the airport as well, really safe...... | |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 10:05 - Mar 25 with 2713 views | Bluefish |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:59 - Mar 25 by itfcpaul |
sitting on a plane crammed in breathing in air from probable contaminated passengers, oh and the airport as well, really safe...... |
Neither of those things were in crete so clearly I wasn't talking about them
While I was doing those things the UK was packing itself into restaurants for eat out to help out. That was extra safe | |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 10:05 - Mar 25 with 2712 views | IpswichKnight |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:02 - Mar 25 by itfcpaul |
Don't hold your breath..
wait for the latest increase in infections and the same on the continent, the gov will again try opening up and once again infections will rise and we will be in lockdown again, the Gov are expecting it
Also the Gov were basing everything on the vaccine programme going as planned which it isnt, we are going to have a really bad month in April, the effects of schools going back and Monday's relaxation will increase cases again so the way out of this will close again [Post edited 25 Mar 2021 9:07]
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I think the vaccination plan is going exactly as planned over 53% of the population have had one shot in some places now over 45’s are getting shots ( my sister in law being one ). There has been no spike since the schools have been back ( cases still going down here and in some places there has been no new cases for over 2 weeks ). Possibly could be a slow down due to supply issues but those who most need the vaccine have now had one shot and we are still on course to complete 2nd shots as per the timeline. To suggest it hasn’t gone to plan is almost laughable. | | | |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 10:06 - Mar 25 with 2708 views | itfcpaul |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 10:05 - Mar 25 by Bluefish |
Neither of those things were in crete so clearly I wasn't talking about them
While I was doing those things the UK was packing itself into restaurants for eat out to help out. That was extra safe |
So you didnt go to an airport or travel on a plane then to get there??? and theres no risk in them??????? | |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 10:07 - Mar 25 with 2702 views | itfcpaul |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 10:05 - Mar 25 by Bluefish |
Neither of those things were in crete so clearly I wasn't talking about them
While I was doing those things the UK was packing itself into restaurants for eat out to help out. That was extra safe |
eat Out TO Help Out wasn't safe either but it doesn't mean because you wanted to go on holiday it was safe does it? | |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 10:09 - Mar 25 with 2693 views | itfcpaul |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 10:05 - Mar 25 by IpswichKnight |
I think the vaccination plan is going exactly as planned over 53% of the population have had one shot in some places now over 45’s are getting shots ( my sister in law being one ). There has been no spike since the schools have been back ( cases still going down here and in some places there has been no new cases for over 2 weeks ). Possibly could be a slow down due to supply issues but those who most need the vaccine have now had one shot and we are still on course to complete 2nd shots as per the timeline. To suggest it hasn’t gone to plan is almost laughable. |
The slow down is in April, have you not read it, have you seen the increase nationally in the last weeks? and it takes 3 to 4 weeks for it to show and how long have the kids been back
regionally where I am there are huge areas where the infection rates are over 100 per 100,000 | |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 10:11 - Mar 25 with 2690 views | homer_123 |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:27 - Mar 25 by Bluefish |
Why can't people do both? |
Well, it might have something to do with a pandemic. |  |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 10:11 - Mar 25 with 2689 views | Bluefish |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 10:07 - Mar 25 by itfcpaul |
eat Out TO Help Out wasn't safe either but it doesn't mean because you wanted to go on holiday it was safe does it? |
Can I be clear here on what we are calling safe? On the same thread you are saying gov advice on hand washing determines if it is safe but you are also saying gov advice on restaurants and holidays do not determine if safe
Anyway 149 days until my holiday, can't wait | |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 10:13 - Mar 25 with 2684 views | Bluefish |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 10:11 - Mar 25 by homer_123 |
Well, it might have something to do with a pandemic. |
Right so why is it different to holiday here than somewhere else if the country is deemed safe? Hotels and restaurants in England have people in them too | |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 10:13 - Mar 25 with 2682 views | itfcpaul |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 10:11 - Mar 25 by Bluefish |
Can I be clear here on what we are calling safe? On the same thread you are saying gov advice on hand washing determines if it is safe but you are also saying gov advice on restaurants and holidays do not determine if safe
Anyway 149 days until my holiday, can't wait |
I am not actually but it's fine lets leave it there shall we | |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 10:16 - Mar 25 with 2668 views | Bluefish |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 10:13 - Mar 25 by itfcpaul |
I am not actually but it's fine lets leave it there shall we |
Prob for the best. Book a holiday and cheer yourself up x | |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 10:21 - Mar 25 with 2652 views | factual_blue |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:26 - Mar 25 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I am off to view a property so up yours peasant! |
Which of my properties are you hoping to view? | |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 10:22 - Mar 25 with 2653 views | itfcpaul |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 10:16 - Mar 25 by Bluefish |
Prob for the best. Book a holiday and cheer yourself up x |
why do you think I need cheering up? because I am being practical and sensible unlike some/ | |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 10:24 - Mar 25 with 2643 views | WeWereZombies |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:33 - Mar 25 by StokieBlue |
Am afraid there isn't much I can do but I am not sure why the myth on deep cleaning is persisting.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00251-4
I can link the Lancet studies if you're interested but I would need to go find them.
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I reckon it is somewhat Pavlovian, a conditioned response to an existential threat. Although there is no guarantee that wiping down the handle of your shopping trolley will limit the spread of the virus still people feel they have to do something. What is more, when they are seen to be doing something they feel they are demonstrating to others that they are not the ones spreading the disease.
https://online.husson.edu/consumer-behavior-pavlovian-theory/#:~:text=Overview,c |  |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 10:25 - Mar 25 with 2641 views | StokieBlue |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 10:24 - Mar 25 by WeWereZombies |
I reckon it is somewhat Pavlovian, a conditioned response to an existential threat. Although there is no guarantee that wiping down the handle of your shopping trolley will limit the spread of the virus still people feel they have to do something. What is more, when they are seen to be doing something they feel they are demonstrating to others that they are not the ones spreading the disease.
https://online.husson.edu/consumer-behavior-pavlovian-theory/#:~:text=Overview,c |
Totally agree, there is no harm at all in cleanliness and as you say, it also makes people feel they are doing everything they can.
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 10:25 - Mar 25 with 2643 views | Fixed_It |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 10:13 - Mar 25 by Bluefish |
Right so why is it different to holiday here than somewhere else if the country is deemed safe? Hotels and restaurants in England have people in them too |
Have fun on that plane breathing in re-cycled aerosol droplets. Not for me though. |  |
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