| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls 08:55 - Mar 25 with 19907 views | gtsb1966 |
I wasn't too disappointed last year but this year i feel a bit deflated by the whole thing if I'm being honest. Usually go with a few mates for a week and then have another quiet week away to relax. Obviously needs must and all that but for some reason it has really peed me off. Anyway else feel the same. |  | | |  |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 14:43 - Mar 25 with 1744 views | Bluefish |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 14:39 - Mar 25 by StokieBlue |
Just around the mutations, that last paragraph is both correct and incorrect.
The UK variant isn't the "worst" mutation we have seen (although it depends how you define worst), presently it looks like the Brazilian variant is the "worst" one with a very similar infectiousness but with what looks like greater resistance to the vaccine.
You are right that mutations can happen anywhere but they are more likely to happen where the virus has more scope to infect and mutate. If the UK has vaccinated all adults it's far less likely (but still possible) that a mutation will occur here as opposed to somewhere where the virus is free to infect and replicate. In this scenario going abroad does increase the chances of bringing a harmful mutation back to the UK.
The sensible thing to do is to wait until other countries have vaccinated and then have travel corridors to those locations but I suspect holidays will be on in a large way far before then.
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I meant worst as in most UK cases |  |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 14:45 - Mar 25 with 1746 views | gtsb1966 |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 14:31 - Mar 25 by Ryorry |
"isn't it possible to simultaneously miss holidays and reluctantly accept that we can't have them yet?"
It is, and is what most people on the thread bar two, plus, I imagine a few more like myself who hadn't yet contributed thus far, have said/were thinking. |
So why down arrow me then  | | | |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 15:02 - Mar 25 with 1711 views | Ryorry |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 14:45 - Mar 25 by gtsb1966 |
So why down arrow me then |
Sorry, was probably a bit harsh, will correct it.
I'd posted something a few days ago on twitter that was v. similar to what Guthers said on p1. - until the 1960s or so, holidays abroad were an unimaginable luxury for most of the UK population.
But you did say it was just that you were feeling down about it, not that you felt "entitled" to one, so fair enough, somewhat misread your OP at first glance, apols 👠|  |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 15:16 - Mar 25 with 1689 views | Sarge |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 11:56 - Mar 25 by itfcpaul |
so you don't actually have any facts then, just as I said.....you believe that anyone vaccinated can't transmit it at all or not get ill or die then? |
Haven’t they demonstrated 100% efficacy against severe disease & death with AZ and 97% with Pfizer? |  | | |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 15:21 - Mar 25 with 1669 views | Bluefish |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 15:16 - Mar 25 by Sarge |
Haven’t they demonstrated 100% efficacy against severe disease & death with AZ and 97% with Pfizer? |
Yes but you need facts....... | |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 15:28 - Mar 25 with 1663 views | Ryorry |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 15:16 - Mar 25 by Sarge |
Haven’t they demonstrated 100% efficacy against severe disease & death with AZ and 97% with Pfizer? |
Only after *both* jabs. Is only around 50-67% from what I've read after one jab, and there's still the problem of 'long Covid' which, whilst it may not kill, is life-changing - not in a good way - for large numbers of people. | |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 15:29 - Mar 25 with 1660 views | loftboy |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:45 - Mar 25 by Bluefish |
Precisely the 2 weeks I spent in crete last year were probably 2 of my safest weeks of the year. Eating outside, playing in the pool or sea all day |
I had ten days in Rhodes in August between lockdowns, 7 rooms were occupied in a 79 room hotel, social distanced for the whole time without trying and had a huge pool virtually to myself. Had booked up again this year but cancelled as I don’t think it will be allowed but I’m getting married in May so have a belated honeymoon booked for next March in Barbados so hopefully we’ll be in a better situation by then. Both myself and the Mrs have had our first jabs which I think will be the solution long term. | | | |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 15:30 - Mar 25 with 1656 views | ElderGrizzly |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 15:28 - Mar 25 by Ryorry |
Only after *both* jabs. Is only around 50-67% from what I've read after one jab, and there's still the problem of 'long Covid' which, whilst it may not kill, is life-changing - not in a good way - for large numbers of people. |
And importantly the AZ vaccine appears less than effective against the SA variant.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/91658
This is why there is so much nervousness, when Europe is seeing 20-30% of new cases as the Brazilian or SA variant |  | | |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 15:32 - Mar 25 with 1654 views | StokieBlue |
France looks in real trouble with regards to the SA variant.
Germany are going to basically close the border from what I saw earlier, although not seen the latest.
France should already be on the red list rather than it being "discussed".
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 16:08 - Mar 25 with 1629 views | ElderGrizzly |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 15:32 - Mar 25 by StokieBlue |
France looks in real trouble with regards to the SA variant.
Germany are going to basically close the border from what I saw earlier, although not seen the latest.
France should already be on the red list rather than it being "discussed".
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Hancock said in parliament this afternoon, no further red list additions until 5th April. Which is ridiculous. | | | |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 16:22 - Mar 25 with 1601 views | Bluefish |
Ooh I have tickets still for the Denmark vs Finland game
I thought about selling them if they are not voided but maybe I will fly over to Copenhagen and post updates for twtd instead | |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 16:22 - Mar 25 with 1601 views | bluelagos |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 09:28 - Mar 25 by Bluefish |
Can you let the government know?
I am going away on April 15th but toilets and showers are closed |
You just want to bang your head against a wall sometimes. You do your best to holiday at home, per all the messaging and public scorn/shaming of anyone wanting to go overseas...and they make it difficult instead of easy.
The idea that camping is more dangerous than staying at a hotel is laughable. We should be doing everything to encourage the use of campsites this summer ffs. Can't think of a more CV secure holiday tbh. |  |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 16:23 - Mar 25 with 1597 views | bluelagos |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 16:22 - Mar 25 by Bluefish |
Ooh I have tickets still for the Denmark vs Finland game
I thought about selling them if they are not voided but maybe I will fly over to Copenhagen and post updates for twtd instead |
Expect a meltdown if you do. | |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 16:29 - Mar 25 with 1591 views | StokieBlue |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 16:08 - Mar 25 by ElderGrizzly |
Hancock said in parliament this afternoon, no further red list additions until 5th April. Which is ridiculous. |
That's stupid.
France should be on there tonight. The SA variant is upwards of 3000 cases a day there now I believe.
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 16:29 - Mar 25 with 1590 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 13:50 - Mar 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Of course we would. But we don't, because there's a global pandemic going on. It's not difficult!
We've all had to make sacrifices. I lost my job because of the pandemic. I still have my parents' Christmas presents wrapped on top of the wardrobe. I'm sick of people bleating on the news (and social media, such as here) about the things that have personally affected them. We're all in it.
You tie yourself to the mast and wait for the storm to end. You don't bleat because you fancy a swim. |
Storms going to end though and you'll still be tied. |  |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 16:31 - Mar 25 with 1588 views | StokieBlue |
In a country which has stopped the AZ vaccine for a period and has now said people can refuse it if they want. At the moment they have only vaccinated 8% of their population.
There seems to be a lack of realism amongst some European countries at the moment (see also Germany making Merkel overturn the Easter lockdown).
I know you want people to be able to do things, we all do, but surely you can't think this is a good idea (and I do realise you haven't opined on it)?
SB [Post edited 25 Mar 2021 16:31]
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 16:34 - Mar 25 with 1584 views | bluelagos |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 16:31 - Mar 25 by StokieBlue |
In a country which has stopped the AZ vaccine for a period and has now said people can refuse it if they want. At the moment they have only vaccinated 8% of their population.
There seems to be a lack of realism amongst some European countries at the moment (see also Germany making Merkel overturn the Easter lockdown).
I know you want people to be able to do things, we all do, but surely you can't think this is a good idea (and I do realise you haven't opined on it)?
SB [Post edited 25 Mar 2021 16:31]
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Careful what I say here. I would be amazed if it happens. As it stands, I simply can't see it being a sensible thing to do.
But, and there is a but, 12 weeks is a long time. Things can change a lot. But as it stands, no it doesn't strike me as sensible to be allowing foreign fans in for a footie tournament. | |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 16:35 - Mar 25 with 1581 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 14:31 - Mar 25 by Ryorry |
"isn't it possible to simultaneously miss holidays and reluctantly accept that we can't have them yet?"
It is, and is what most people on the thread bar two, plus, I imagine a few more like myself who hadn't yet contributed thus far, have said/were thinking. |
When do you think your version of safe might arrive out of interest? | |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 16:35 - Mar 25 with 1579 views | bluelagos |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 16:08 - Mar 25 by ElderGrizzly |
Hancock said in parliament this afternoon, no further red list additions until 5th April. Which is ridiculous. |
Hardly matters does it? Given that it is illegal for anyone to go on holiday atm. | |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 16:38 - Mar 25 with 1567 views | StokieBlue |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 16:35 - Mar 25 by bluelagos |
Hardly matters does it? Given that it is illegal for anyone to go on holiday atm. |
French people can come in though without quarantining in a hotel for 2 weeks which is the case for other countries with the Brazilian and SA variants.
If they were moved to red they would have to properly quarantine. The cases of the SA variant are growing very quickly in France.
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 16:38 - Mar 25 with 1564 views | bluelagos |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 16:38 - Mar 25 by StokieBlue |
French people can come in though without quarantining in a hotel for 2 weeks which is the case for other countries with the Brazilian and SA variants.
If they were moved to red they would have to properly quarantine. The cases of the SA variant are growing very quickly in France.
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Ah yeah. Makes sense. | |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 17:02 - Mar 25 with 1546 views | Radlett_blue |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 16:34 - Mar 25 by bluelagos |
Careful what I say here. I would be amazed if it happens. As it stands, I simply can't see it being a sensible thing to do.
But, and there is a but, 12 weeks is a long time. Things can change a lot. But as it stands, no it doesn't strike me as sensible to be allowing foreign fans in for a footie tournament. |
It's utterly bonkers & indefensible in countries which will still have their citizens locked down. But I guess UEFA are just keeping their fingers crossed & hoping things get better (unlikely) while some governments don't want to play Scrooge quite yet. |  |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 17:04 - Mar 25 with 1544 views | J2BLUE |
It's a shame but it's for the good of the entire country. Hopefully vaccine rollouts will increase in the EU and people who want to go abroad will be able to do so safely quicker than currently thought but I really don't want to see the entire country put a risk so the few can go abroad. |  |
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| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 17:09 - Mar 25 with 1537 views | bluelagos |
| No holidays abroad really is a kick in the balls on 17:04 - Mar 25 by J2BLUE |
It's a shame but it's for the good of the entire country. Hopefully vaccine rollouts will increase in the EU and people who want to go abroad will be able to do so safely quicker than currently thought but I really don't want to see the entire country put a risk so the few can go abroad. |
A good argument for us sending all our spare vaccines to Europe once we have done all the top 9 groups...
Get all of Europe's most vulnerable protected and it makes any travel a whole lot less dangerous (Albeit the new variant thing would still need managing) for all concerned.
(Though whether they'd actually use them is a different debate) | |
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