| Dear people of England 10:49 - Mar 28 with 5252 views | GlasgowBlue |
We thank you for your generosity.
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| Dear people of England on 10:52 - Mar 28 with 2412 views | Keno |
Whats all the Jessica Alba malarky then?
Hows that going to play out at the polls |  |
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| Dear people of England on 10:55 - Mar 28 with 2393 views | chicoazul |
An independent England inches ever closer. |  |
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| Dear people of England on 10:59 - Mar 28 with 2358 views | giant_stow |
Shouldn't that thanks be directed to the hated south east? |  |
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| Dear people of England on 11:00 - Mar 28 with 2355 views | brazil1982 |
If they can afford it, why not? If they cant they'll just complain about evil Tories to bump more cash. |  | | |
| Dear people of England on 11:01 - Mar 28 with 2350 views | Darth_Koont |
Welcome to the 21st Century.
And we’re thanking the Bank of England, the UK’s national bank surely? |  |
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| Dear people of England on 11:03 - Mar 28 with 2326 views | eireblue |
| Dear people of England on 10:52 - Mar 28 by Keno |
Whats all the Jessica Alba malarky then?
Hows that going to play out at the polls |
Apparently the launch event was a bit ropey.
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| Dear people of England on 11:06 - Mar 28 with 2313 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Dear people of England on 11:01 - Mar 28 by Darth_Koont |
Welcome to the 21st Century.
And we’re thanking the Bank of England, the UK’s national bank surely? |
Spend over head of population under Barnett
Scotland at £11,247
England £9,296
net fiscal deficit per head
Scotland at £2,713
England at £68 | |
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| Dear people of England on 11:08 - Mar 28 with 2299 views | Keno |
| Dear people of England on 11:03 - Mar 28 by eireblue |
Apparently the launch event was a bit ropey.
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in fairness she looks better in tartan than either Salmon or Sturgeon
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| Dear people of England on 11:09 - Mar 28 with 2286 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Aha the money tree!
Trident missiles or laptops? It's a tough one. |  |
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| Dear people of England on 11:12 - Mar 28 with 2281 views | bluelagos |
| Dear people of England on 11:06 - Mar 28 by GlasgowBlue |
Spend over head of population under Barnett
Scotland at £11,247
England £9,296
net fiscal deficit per head
Scotland at £2,713
England at £68 |
Last time Scotland voted for the tories?
No of years this century the Tories have been in power?
There's your answer Glassers. There are the economic arguments and there are the political ones. If you are living north of the border and not a fan of the Tories, why would you want to remain in the UK with a system that delivers Tory governments? |  |
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| Dear people of England on 11:14 - Mar 28 with 2271 views | Darth_Koont |
| Dear people of England on 11:06 - Mar 28 by GlasgowBlue |
Spend over head of population under Barnett
Scotland at £11,247
England £9,296
net fiscal deficit per head
Scotland at £2,713
England at £68 |
The North East of England is similar and Northern Ireland even higher as you know. But Scotland contributes far more.
But that’s the price you pay for having one of the most centralised countries and economies among developed nations.
Imagine if the UK was run by politicians and a media that didn’t benefit from concentrating money, power and influence in their own backyard? | |
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| Dear people of England on 11:15 - Mar 28 with 2267 views | bluelagos |
| Dear people of England on 11:09 - Mar 28 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Aha the money tree!
Trident missiles or laptops? It's a tough one. |
How about $37bn on a test and trace system that seems to be pretty ineffective.
Why any Scots would want to leave a country run by an inept bunch of kleptocrats I can't imagine. | |
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| Dear people of England on 11:15 - Mar 28 with 2265 views | pointofblue |
| Dear people of England on 11:12 - Mar 28 by bluelagos |
Last time Scotland voted for the tories?
No of years this century the Tories have been in power?
There's your answer Glassers. There are the economic arguments and there are the political ones. If you are living north of the border and not a fan of the Tories, why would you want to remain in the UK with a system that delivers Tory governments? |
What is most interesting about the next independence debate is some Remainers and Leavers will be switching sides. How will the new Remainers argue the case when the most obvious argument is “look at the mess Brexit has caused”, something they’ll be loathed to point out? | |
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| Dear people of England on 11:18 - Mar 28 with 2242 views | bluelagos |
| Dear people of England on 11:15 - Mar 28 by pointofblue |
What is most interesting about the next independence debate is some Remainers and Leavers will be switching sides. How will the new Remainers argue the case when the most obvious argument is “look at the mess Brexit has caused”, something they’ll be loathed to point out? |
Fiik. The economic argument for remaining is a strong one (as Glassers points out) - the political one for leaving is a strong one.
One thing I don't think Johnson can credibly do is refuse a vote if the Nats do well in the forthcoming elections. | |
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| Dear people of England on 11:25 - Mar 28 with 2226 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Dear people of England on 11:15 - Mar 28 by bluelagos |
How about $37bn on a test and trace system that seems to be pretty ineffective.
Why any Scots would want to leave a country run by an inept bunch of kleptocrats I can't imagine. |
It's £37 billion allocated, not £37 billion spent. 85%+ of the spend on test and trace is on testing, which you’ll agree is working very well. We have one of the best testing systems in the world after starting out as having one of the worst. 15% is spent on tracing.
Are you moaning about the amount of money we spend on testing? And were you comparing this time last year that we weren’t carrying out enough tests?
But you are going off piste. The reason that the SNP can give 4% NHS pay rises, free laptops, free prescriptions etc is because they are part of a union that subsidises them. | |
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| Dear people of England on 11:25 - Mar 28 with 2221 views | Darth_Koont |
| Dear people of England on 11:15 - Mar 28 by pointofblue |
What is most interesting about the next independence debate is some Remainers and Leavers will be switching sides. How will the new Remainers argue the case when the most obvious argument is “look at the mess Brexit has caused”, something they’ll be loathed to point out? |
I agree that the short-term costs and issues are significant for both Brexit and Scottish independence. The long-term benefits and projections don’t compare.
Brexit is about going on our own at a time when trade and standards blocs define global trade and growth – and we’ll still have to default to that anyway. Scottish independence is pointing at Denmark and saying we’ll have some of that (higher GDP, standard of living and standard of democracy) as an independent country within the EU.
Ironically the project based on the unicorn isn’t the Scottish one. Think we should give rUK our national animal in the divorce settlement. | |
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| Dear people of England on 11:31 - Mar 28 with 2191 views | MattinLondon |
| Dear people of England on 11:06 - Mar 28 by GlasgowBlue |
Spend over head of population under Barnett
Scotland at £11,247
England £9,296
net fiscal deficit per head
Scotland at £2,713
England at £68 |
It’s correct that spending on public services in Scotland is 20% higher per head than in England. But this money comes from the block grant from the UK Treasury, rather than from England specifically. An increasing proportion of the Scottish government’s budget also comes from taxes it raises.
https://fullfact.org/economy/scotland-england-public-services-spending/ |  | | |
| Dear people of England on 11:34 - Mar 28 with 2178 views | m14_blue |
| Dear people of England on 11:25 - Mar 28 by GlasgowBlue |
It's £37 billion allocated, not £37 billion spent. 85%+ of the spend on test and trace is on testing, which you’ll agree is working very well. We have one of the best testing systems in the world after starting out as having one of the worst. 15% is spent on tracing.
Are you moaning about the amount of money we spend on testing? And were you comparing this time last year that we weren’t carrying out enough tests?
But you are going off piste. The reason that the SNP can give 4% NHS pay rises, free laptops, free prescriptions etc is because they are part of a union that subsidises them. |
Although there’s limited value in doing loads of tests if you completely fail to implement an effective follow up system. | | | |
| Dear people of England on 11:48 - Mar 28 with 2139 views | Darth_Koont |
For anyone interested in a more accurate picture of Scottish revenue and spending then this is good. And generally he’s an excellent resource for stripping away the layers of political agendas and narratives when it comes to the UK economy.
https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2020/08/26/government-expenditure-and-revenu
TLDR? Here’s his summary re: the Scottish deficit:
“What’s the story then? I conclude several things. As ever, this is a fabrication, with the deficit that arises being at least as much the result of decisions made in London and not Scotland.
Second, with so much of spend for Scotland being under London's control it remains quite possible that far too little tax is being credited to Scotland. The declining revenue figures may simply indicate that fact now. As a result, the deficit figures are almost meaningless.
Third, Scotland has not had the spending it needs to move it on from oil, but the rUK has seen spend to help it recover from its own revenue failure.
Fourth, this means that, almost inevitably, Scotland would be better off as an independent nation, and the GERS figures show that.
Fifth, though, it really is time that the game playing, including the elimination of useful data people used in the publication, come to an end. It gives those who produce this information no credit at all and makes us doubt their intentions.
So, use this data with extreme care, but in the meantime ask three things:
Why does Scotland control less of its spend now than it did despite increasing devolved powers?
Why hasn't Scotland had the investment it needs?
Why isn't Scotland credited with the tax it might really generate?
One day we may get answers. But not this side of independence, I suspect.” | |
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| Dear people of England on 11:53 - Mar 28 with 2115 views | pointofblue |
Although...
“Scotland’s economy would shrink by at least £11bn a year if it became independent, more than doubling the damaging impacts of Brexit, a team of economists has forecast.
The report from the London School of Economics and City University of Hong Kong found that quitting the UK’s common market would hit the Scottish economy two to three times as hard as leaving the EU, just counting the impact on trade alone.
Suggesting that the worst economic effects would take several decades to take hold, the LSE’s Centre for Economic Performance said the impacts on its trade with both the UK and the EU would shrink Scotland’s economy in the long run by between 6.3% and 8.7%.
That was equivalent to a loss of between £2,000 to £2,800 per capita a year: with Scotland’s population estimated to be nearly 5.5 million, that puts the losses at between £11bn and £15.4bn.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/03/independence-could-cost-scotland
I’m not saying it’s accurate but believe what report you want to believe. This how the last independence referendum report was fought and will be again. | |
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| Dear people of England on 11:56 - Mar 28 with 2097 views | bluelagos |
| Dear people of England on 11:25 - Mar 28 by GlasgowBlue |
It's £37 billion allocated, not £37 billion spent. 85%+ of the spend on test and trace is on testing, which you’ll agree is working very well. We have one of the best testing systems in the world after starting out as having one of the worst. 15% is spent on tracing.
Are you moaning about the amount of money we spend on testing? And were you comparing this time last year that we weren’t carrying out enough tests?
But you are going off piste. The reason that the SNP can give 4% NHS pay rises, free laptops, free prescriptions etc is because they are part of a union that subsidises them. |
I don't agree it's working for a minute Glassers. Cos it's part of a system.
Test, trace and isolate. And when people can't afford to isolate (Last figures I read were around 20% are isolating) then it's a pile of sh1te.
If it were part of a system that actually worked, it would be money well spent. It isn't and as such it's largely wasted spend.
Edit: Indeed MPs found there was "no clear evidence" of it's effectiveness.
You want to defend p*ssing £37Bn up the wall by your Tory masters, that's up to you Glassers :-) [Post edited 28 Mar 2021 12:00]
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| Dear people of England on 12:26 - Mar 28 with 2028 views | Darth_Koont |
| Dear people of England on 11:53 - Mar 28 by pointofblue |
Although...
“Scotland’s economy would shrink by at least £11bn a year if it became independent, more than doubling the damaging impacts of Brexit, a team of economists has forecast.
The report from the London School of Economics and City University of Hong Kong found that quitting the UK’s common market would hit the Scottish economy two to three times as hard as leaving the EU, just counting the impact on trade alone.
Suggesting that the worst economic effects would take several decades to take hold, the LSE’s Centre for Economic Performance said the impacts on its trade with both the UK and the EU would shrink Scotland’s economy in the long run by between 6.3% and 8.7%.
That was equivalent to a loss of between £2,000 to £2,800 per capita a year: with Scotland’s population estimated to be nearly 5.5 million, that puts the losses at between £11bn and £15.4bn.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/03/independence-could-cost-scotland
I’m not saying it’s accurate but believe what report you want to believe. This how the last independence referendum report was fought and will be again. |
They’re right to talk about pure cross-border trade as a cost. It is, and one of the big issue with Brexit too. How “seamless” it will or won’t be is always going to be debatable but it won’t be as good as no border.
But as they say “We do not consider other effects of independence, such as changes in investment flows, fiscal arrangements or Scotland’s currency.” That’s a big “but” as therein lies the upside of independence. That sovereignty gives the capacity to swallow trade costs and invest while rejigging and reshaping the economy and bringing it up to the standard of our Scandinavian neighbours. In that scenario there is a lot of room considering the present GDP is about 60% of that of Denmark despite having many advantages to counterbalance Denmark’s central position in Europe and open borders. | |
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| Dear people of England on 12:41 - Mar 28 with 1989 views | bournemouthblue |
| Dear people of England on 11:34 - Mar 28 by m14_blue |
Although there’s limited value in doing loads of tests if you completely fail to implement an effective follow up system. |
It was suggested 70% of people who have been told to isolate, aren't doing so, that's a massive problem.
I can remember Hancock suggesting we have to change the culture of battling through a bug and still coming to work but you have to give an incentive to employees to do that. Statutory sick pay is a pittance.
Going back to the isolation issue though, it suggests the tracers clearly aren't thorough enough for whatever reason that is and that is a big problem |  |
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| Dear people of England on 12:47 - Mar 28 with 1967 views | bluelagos |
| Dear people of England on 12:41 - Mar 28 by bournemouthblue |
It was suggested 70% of people who have been told to isolate, aren't doing so, that's a massive problem.
I can remember Hancock suggesting we have to change the culture of battling through a bug and still coming to work but you have to give an incentive to employees to do that. Statutory sick pay is a pittance.
Going back to the isolation issue though, it suggests the tracers clearly aren't thorough enough for whatever reason that is and that is a big problem |
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2021/03/37-billion-test-and-trace-Tory-
How anyone thinks that is a decent system is beyond me. | |
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| Dear people of England on 13:36 - Mar 28 with 1889 views | GeoffSentence |
| Dear people of England on 11:15 - Mar 28 by bluelagos |
How about $37bn on a test and trace system that seems to be pretty ineffective.
Why any Scots would want to leave a country run by an inept bunch of kleptocrats I can't imagine. |
To be fair, the testing bit of that seems pretty good, there are a shed load of tests being done very day, and they make up the bulk of the money spent. |  |
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