| Lammy handles this pretty well 16:45 - Mar 29 with 7299 views | StokieBlue |
I realise the caller is older but the state of the mindset is quite something. I find it especially interesting that she's English because she traced her roots back to the Anglo Saxons....
It's actually quite a hard listen in places.
Hard to make progress when attitudes like this remain.
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 20:57 - Mar 29 with 2836 views | tractordownsouth |
Very impressed with Lammy for this reponse. He would have been well within his rights to call her a c**t and cut her off. Horrible woman. |  |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 20:59 - Mar 29 with 2826 views | eastangliaisblue |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 20:56 - Mar 29 by BlueBadger |
I LOVE 'hidden' history, adds so much colour to an already fascinating topic. |
Certainly does and there is so much of it. Everyday's a school day when it comes to history. |  | | |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 21:14 - Mar 29 with 2813 views | BlueBadger |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 20:59 - Mar 29 by eastangliaisblue |
Certainly does and there is so much of it. Everyday's a school day when it comes to history. |
Someone in my village started a local history group as a lockdown project - some genuinely wonderful stuff in there. |  |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 21:37 - Mar 29 with 2788 views | Pendejo |
These people make my head hurt, ethnicity and nationality are two completely different things, it is entirely ok to be English and afro-caribbean. Lammy born in London is English.
Due to the census my wife's community have been having energetic and sometimes fractious discussions about ethnicity and nationality. I can't recall such things in 2011 but she's moving in more political cycles these days.
One particular guy wanted a ethnicity category of Latin American and Lusophone, so he could claim to represent a bigger group. But as we have found there is a world of difference between the Spanish speakers and Lusophones (Portuguese speakers).
Anyway I suggested Latin American as ethnicity, pretty straight forward. Nationality seems more divisive, I suggested their nationality is whatever passport they use to enter this country with as many are dual passport holders, some now hold three.
Back to the woman claiming to be English due to anglo- Saxon heritage... Surely that means she's not English if Lammy isn't?
As for keeping his cool, the man's a seasoned poll who represents Tottenham, I'm certain he's heard worse. |  |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 22:53 - Mar 29 with 2731 views | Coastalblue |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 20:56 - Mar 29 by BlueBadger |
I LOVE 'hidden' history, adds so much colour to an already fascinating topic. |
Me too, like the everyday people getting involved, not just the big names of the day. |  |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 23:35 - Mar 29 with 2727 views | Wacko |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 19:28 - Mar 29 by Guthrum |
I haven't listened to it, but how has she claimed to have traced her ancestry back to the Anglo-Saxons?
Despite being a reasonably experienced genealogist, I've struggled to get back much more than 10 generations along any line, at most back to the early 17th century. Even if the parish records are not lost, damaged, unreadable, inconclusive (due to the similarity of names), confused by non-conformism od simply stymied by dead ends, that line of enquiry cannot go earlier than 1538, when they were first kept.
It's a long time between the Saxons and 1538, a period only covered by the occasional family tree - some of which were more than a little fanciful. And during which most people did not have surnames which could be followed.
I would presume she has taken one of the broad-brush DNA tests, which at best would be able to say she has some north-western European germanic or scandinavian genetic markers. Which says nothing about ones nationality. |
Believe it or not, the other day I traced my ancestry back to the year 669...
But the bigger point that should be made, and that Jean is missing, is that if you trace your ancestry back 8 generations, around the 1700s, you have 256 direct ancestors. If you go back to Henry VIII's time you have 30k+ direct ancestors. The likelihood that all of them are 100% Anglo Saxon is total nonsense. |  |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 23:45 - Mar 29 with 2706 views | DropCliffsNotBombs |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 19:34 - Mar 29 by BlueBadger |
Who was the extremely right-wing poster on here who named himself after a Saxon king or something? |
HaroldfromBath? |  | | |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 01:55 - Mar 30 with 2670 views | TieDyedIn95 |
Technically no one is, as being English ceased to be a thing in the 1700's. You are a British Citizen. No such thing as an English Citizen. |  |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 02:44 - Mar 30 with 2657 views | SpruceMoose |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 09:03 - Mar 30 with 2582 views | Radlett_blue |
I think and hope that much of this attitude is generational & much more common in parts of the country where people rarely come into contact with ethnic minorities.
My late father in law, who would have been 90, had this attitude. He was collected by a black taxi driver and asked him where he was from (he was a nosey parker). When the driver replied "England", he said, "No, where are you FROM?. |  |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 09:12 - Mar 30 with 2567 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 01:55 - Mar 30 by TieDyedIn95 |
Technically no one is, as being English ceased to be a thing in the 1700's. You are a British Citizen. No such thing as an English Citizen. |
Technically we are British subjects. Not citizens. |  |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 09:34 - Mar 30 with 2551 views | WeWereZombies |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 23:35 - Mar 29 by Wacko |
Believe it or not, the other day I traced my ancestry back to the year 669...
But the bigger point that should be made, and that Jean is missing, is that if you trace your ancestry back 8 generations, around the 1700s, you have 256 direct ancestors. If you go back to Henry VIII's time you have 30k+ direct ancestors. The likelihood that all of them are 100% Anglo Saxon is total nonsense. |
Also, and this sidelines the generational skip in the chromosomes which makes us a bit more similar to our grandparents than our parents, if we inherit a half each from our parents (who inherited half from their patents and so on) by the time we get back to the Anglo-Saxons there is a minute fraction attributable to us unless the entire family tree is made up of Anglo-Saxons...and can be relied upon, i.e. none of the girls can be relied upon to have played away from home (I know, a terrible accusation to lay upon our Grans, and their Grans etc.)
But even if you have a genuine one hundred percent Anglo-Saxon family tree you still have to exercise a cut-off point to assume a blank slate for the land to push out the Celts, Beaker people and so on; and assume that the Viking raping and pillaging had no effect on the family tree. Except that those Anglo-Saxons arrived from what is modern day Denmark and Germany. But I think there is an argument for racial purity, you just have to accept that we are all one race and that we started off in a cave at the southern tip of Africa. |  |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 09:39 - Mar 30 with 2546 views | bluelagos |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 09:12 - Mar 30 by GlasgowBlue |
Technically we are British subjects. Not citizens. |
Another reason for Scottish independence Glassers? Emancipate yourselves with a republic :-) |  |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 10:18 - Mar 30 with 2529 views | Guthrum |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 23:35 - Mar 29 by Wacko |
Believe it or not, the other day I traced my ancestry back to the year 669...
But the bigger point that should be made, and that Jean is missing, is that if you trace your ancestry back 8 generations, around the 1700s, you have 256 direct ancestors. If you go back to Henry VIII's time you have 30k+ direct ancestors. The likelihood that all of them are 100% Anglo Saxon is total nonsense. |
Good stuff - presumably you managed to link in to a recorded royal/noble family tree? The only line in my own tree rtending towards anyone of real note is currently stuck with someone whose baptism I'm unable to find and thus, for now, an unbridgeable gap.
The thing about the theoretical number of direct ancestors is that the branches will sometimes recombine when people end up marrying distant (quite possibly unknown) cousins. So the actual number of discrete individuals will be smaller than the pure mathematical projection. |  |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 10:20 - Mar 30 with 2518 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 09:39 - Mar 30 by bluelagos |
Another reason for Scottish independence Glassers? Emancipate yourselves with a republic :-) |
Nicola wants to keep the Queen as head of state. | |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 11:53 - Mar 30 with 2486 views | Wacko |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 10:18 - Mar 30 by Guthrum |
Good stuff - presumably you managed to link in to a recorded royal/noble family tree? The only line in my own tree rtending towards anyone of real note is currently stuck with someone whose baptism I'm unable to find and thus, for now, an unbridgeable gap.
The thing about the theoretical number of direct ancestors is that the branches will sometimes recombine when people end up marrying distant (quite possibly unknown) cousins. So the actual number of discrete individuals will be smaller than the pure mathematical projection. |
Yes, exactly. And guess what he's called...!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambert,_Count_of_Hesbaye
And that's true too, especially with the fact that populations were much smaller then. But all this points to the evidence that we're all related, and should treat each other as such | |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 13:46 - Mar 30 with 2437 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 23:35 - Mar 29 by Wacko |
Believe it or not, the other day I traced my ancestry back to the year 669...
But the bigger point that should be made, and that Jean is missing, is that if you trace your ancestry back 8 generations, around the 1700s, you have 256 direct ancestors. If you go back to Henry VIII's time you have 30k+ direct ancestors. The likelihood that all of them are 100% Anglo Saxon is total nonsense. |
A lot of people can trace their ancestry back a lot further to before the year 0..... when god created earth, popped in Adam - and then wisked out a rib to make his life hell. We all comer from that moment according to some - in which case Lammy and the lovely lady are brother and sister. | |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 13:52 - Mar 30 with 2421 views | jeera |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 13:46 - Mar 30 by ElephantintheRoom |
A lot of people can trace their ancestry back a lot further to before the year 0..... when god created earth, popped in Adam - and then wisked out a rib to make his life hell. We all comer from that moment according to some - in which case Lammy and the lovely lady are brother and sister. |
I'm going with one's descendants crawled from the sea a lot later than the other's. |  |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 13:59 - Mar 30 with 2405 views | WeWereZombies |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 13:46 - Mar 30 by ElephantintheRoom |
A lot of people can trace their ancestry back a lot further to before the year 0..... when god created earth, popped in Adam - and then wisked out a rib to make his life hell. We all comer from that moment according to some - in which case Lammy and the lovely lady are brother and sister. |
'god...popped in Adam'! I think you have just signed a death warrant with thousands of over armed and over excited religious zealots from the mid western states of the USA... | |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 14:09 - Mar 30 with 2394 views | Charlie_pl_baxter |
Just had a long and painful discussion about this on twitter with someone I grew up with. Glad to see more sense on the forum. |  |
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| Lammy handles this pretty well on 14:12 - Mar 30 with 2380 views | jeera |
| Lammy handles this pretty well on 14:09 - Mar 30 by Charlie_pl_baxter |
Just had a long and painful discussion about this on twitter with someone I grew up with. Glad to see more sense on the forum. |
It's never too late to cut people loose.
And I know what you mean, I think we've all had friends like that. | |
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