| Herbs on 12:56 - Mar 31 with 1419 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Herbs on 12:08 - Mar 31 by eireblue |
Well, let's take the principle of equal consideration again.
Fish get their oxygen from air, they die if they can't breathe, they flap about a bit when trying to breathe, before dying, much like mammals do when struggling to breathe.
If it is okay for me to hold you under water for a while, watch you thrash around for a bit, for my entertainment, sure catch and release is fine.
When would you like to book a partially drowning, or would you prefer to be surprised? [Post edited 31 Mar 2021 13:52]
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When I catch a fish they seem to enjoy it - they are then released without harm.
Apologies for the initial part of my sentence which was my outrageous attempt at humour.
After a few moments of deep thought I have decided that fishing is vegan friendly as fish benefit massively from anglers. |  |
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| Herbs on 13:16 - Mar 31 with 1386 views | factual_blue |
| Herbs on 09:28 - Mar 31 by Herbivore |
Wool is another biggy. Anything that's derived from animal products basically.
Cheers, Dollers. I might have to get that t-shirt. |
And bone china, obviously.
I hope The Ritz offers an alternative to bone china for Vegans wanting afternoon tea. |  |
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| Classic "point missing"..... on 13:21 - Mar 31 with 1377 views | eireblue |
| Classic "point missing"..... on 12:53 - Mar 31 by Bloots |
....coupled with a sense of humour by pass.
My original point, as I'm sure you know, was - Does a vegan object to using wool, that was removed from a wild sheep for the sheep's benefit, being used in the manufacture of clothing?
If they do (which I expect they will) then why? |
So you didn’t like the analogy, different sense of humour.
You asked for vegan point of view.
I gave you one.
Maybe you missed the point of the analogy, which seemed to lack enough humour.
You are seeing things from a human perspective.
Veganism in terms of ethics, is about animal advocacy and equal consideration.
That is why it can be useful to rephrase a question using an analogy to relate the vegan position to the human.
In my analogy, if you were the human in prison that just had your haircut for free, would you care about the trimmings?
Would you buy the by-products of humans unjustly held in prisons?
The sheep in question lives in Australia. Sheep aren’t native to Australia, so any distress involved with a sheep in Australia is a by-product of sheep being removed from their natural habitat, in order to be farmed.
Do you think vegans should support such an industry? |  | | |
| Herbs on 13:24 - Mar 31 with 1375 views | eireblue |
| Herbs on 12:56 - Mar 31 by Lord_Lucan |
When I catch a fish they seem to enjoy it - they are then released without harm.
Apologies for the initial part of my sentence which was my outrageous attempt at humour.
After a few moments of deep thought I have decided that fishing is vegan friendly as fish benefit massively from anglers. |
So I’ll book you in for the introductory waterboarding session. It will be fun.
You can tell humans enjoy it when their legs kick around in joy. | | | |
| Herbs on 13:34 - Mar 31 with 1350 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Herbs on 13:24 - Mar 31 by eireblue |
So I’ll book you in for the introductory waterboarding session. It will be fun.
You can tell humans enjoy it when their legs kick around in joy. |
Yes, it's a simple as that.
FWIW - although I fear I am going to get nowhere, It is anglers that maintain waterways around UK, no anglers = lot's of dead and diseased fish. | |
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| Herbs on 13:39 - Mar 31 with 1336 views | WeWereZombies |
| Herbs on 12:08 - Mar 31 by eireblue |
Well, let's take the principle of equal consideration again.
Fish get their oxygen from air, they die if they can't breathe, they flap about a bit when trying to breathe, before dying, much like mammals do when struggling to breathe.
If it is okay for me to hold you under water for a while, watch you thrash around for a bit, for my entertainment, sure catch and release is fine.
When would you like to book a partially drowning, or would you prefer to be surprised? [Post edited 31 Mar 2021 13:52]
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Nicely made point.
Except that fish are not mammals... |  |
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| I've asked the question twice.... on 13:43 - Mar 31 with 1331 views | Bloots |
| Classic "point missing"..... on 13:21 - Mar 31 by eireblue |
So you didn’t like the analogy, different sense of humour.
You asked for vegan point of view.
I gave you one.
Maybe you missed the point of the analogy, which seemed to lack enough humour.
You are seeing things from a human perspective.
Veganism in terms of ethics, is about animal advocacy and equal consideration.
That is why it can be useful to rephrase a question using an analogy to relate the vegan position to the human.
In my analogy, if you were the human in prison that just had your haircut for free, would you care about the trimmings?
Would you buy the by-products of humans unjustly held in prisons?
The sheep in question lives in Australia. Sheep aren’t native to Australia, so any distress involved with a sheep in Australia is a by-product of sheep being removed from their natural habitat, in order to be farmed.
Do you think vegans should support such an industry? |
....both times it's been ignored.
It's a simple question. |  |
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| Herbs on 13:45 - Mar 31 with 1322 views | eireblue |
| Herbs on 13:34 - Mar 31 by Lord_Lucan |
Yes, it's a simple as that.
FWIW - although I fear I am going to get nowhere, It is anglers that maintain waterways around UK, no anglers = lot's of dead and diseased fish. |
You are the one that asked a simple question.
I did remember that correctly, right?
If you wanted a discussion on preservation of life in river ways why didn’t you say that?
Crikey ask a question about being vegan.
What exactly were you expecting, the Ladybird book of answers for primary school children, level of answer.
Yea, us vegans, all stupid 14 year old girls that don’t like icky stuff, fish love anglers, you crack on. | | | |
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| I can remember numerous instances of being..... on 13:46 - Mar 31 with 1321 views | Bloots |
| Herbs on 13:24 - Mar 31 by eireblue |
So I’ll book you in for the introductory waterboarding session. It will be fun.
You can tell humans enjoy it when their legs kick around in joy. |
...."ducked" down the pool when I was a kid.
It was so prevalent that the killjoys put a sign up forbidding it.
Along with "bombing" and "petting".
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| Herbs on 13:49 - Mar 31 with 1307 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Herbs on 13:45 - Mar 31 by eireblue |
You are the one that asked a simple question.
I did remember that correctly, right?
If you wanted a discussion on preservation of life in river ways why didn’t you say that?
Crikey ask a question about being vegan.
What exactly were you expecting, the Ladybird book of answers for primary school children, level of answer.
Yea, us vegans, all stupid 14 year old girls that don’t like icky stuff, fish love anglers, you crack on. |
You are quite tetchy today.
I'll leave you be. | |
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| Herbs on 13:49 - Mar 31 with 1310 views | WeWereZombies |
| Herbs on 11:39 - Mar 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It just occurred to me, is a virus considered a living creature and thus some really strict people would refuse a vaccine on the grounds that it's made using a small amount of a living thing? |
The jury is still out on whether Covid-19 are living organisms or just fragments of DNA or RNA that do not fulfil the tests for a living thing:
https://www.newscientist.com/question/are-viruses-alive/ | |
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| I've asked the question twice.... on 13:50 - Mar 31 with 1304 views | eireblue |
| I've asked the question twice.... on 13:43 - Mar 31 by Bloots |
....both times it's been ignored.
It's a simple question. |
It hasn’t been ignored.
You stated “Genuine question” and “.. then why?”
I have given you a genuine response to the “...then why?”
The simple answer was stated by someone else. “ Anything that's derived from animal products basically.”
Read the thread. | | | |
| Not enough Omega-3s. (n/t) on 13:52 - Mar 31 with 1297 views | Bloots |
| Herbs on 13:49 - Mar 31 by Lord_Lucan |
You are quite tetchy today.
I'll leave you be. |
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| Herbs on 13:55 - Mar 31 with 1293 views | eireblue |
| Herbs on 13:49 - Mar 31 by Lord_Lucan |
You are quite tetchy today.
I'll leave you be. |
Not really.
What sort of response about why a vegan is a vegan, and thinks some things are not okay, would not have appeared tetchy to you?
Why do people ask “genuine questions” and then decide the person that is giving the “genuine response” is somehow at fault? | | | |
| Herbs on 13:56 - Mar 31 with 1286 views | eireblue |
| Herbs on 13:39 - Mar 31 by WeWereZombies |
Nicely made point.
Except that fish are not mammals... |
Sorry, typo, edited. | | | |
| I've read the thread.... on 13:57 - Mar 31 with 1282 views | Bloots |
| I've asked the question twice.... on 13:50 - Mar 31 by eireblue |
It hasn’t been ignored.
You stated “Genuine question” and “.. then why?”
I have given you a genuine response to the “...then why?”
The simple answer was stated by someone else. “ Anything that's derived from animal products basically.”
Read the thread. |
....and the question hasn't been answered, in fact one of the "responses" you cite was before I asked the question.
Sometimes you need to accept that a question is a genuine one, coming from a point of interest, and you don't need to get defensive and/or evasive.
I think you are saying that as a vegan, you don't agree that wool taken from a wild animal in order to extend it's life, should be used for clothing.
There are many, many questions that could come as a result, but it's been painful enough getting an answer to one, so I'll give it a miss! | |
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| I've read the thread.... on 14:00 - Mar 31 with 1276 views | SpruceMoose |
| I've read the thread.... on 13:57 - Mar 31 by Bloots |
....and the question hasn't been answered, in fact one of the "responses" you cite was before I asked the question.
Sometimes you need to accept that a question is a genuine one, coming from a point of interest, and you don't need to get defensive and/or evasive.
I think you are saying that as a vegan, you don't agree that wool taken from a wild animal in order to extend it's life, should be used for clothing.
There are many, many questions that could come as a result, but it's been painful enough getting an answer to one, so I'll give it a miss! |
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| Nah, there were two questions..... on 14:03 - Mar 31 with 1271 views | Bloots |
| Herbs on 13:55 - Mar 31 by eireblue |
Not really.
What sort of response about why a vegan is a vegan, and thinks some things are not okay, would not have appeared tetchy to you?
Why do people ask “genuine questions” and then decide the person that is giving the “genuine response” is somehow at fault? |
...one about "catch and release", to which you replied by talking about a fish dying through a lack of oxygen.
The question was specifically about catch and release.
And another about using the wool of a wild animal, which you answered by talking about humans being kept in prison.
The question was specifically about wild animals.
So neither of your responses have been "genuine", they've both answered questions that weren't asked. | |
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| I've read the thread.... on 14:04 - Mar 31 with 1271 views | eireblue |
| I've read the thread.... on 13:57 - Mar 31 by Bloots |
....and the question hasn't been answered, in fact one of the "responses" you cite was before I asked the question.
Sometimes you need to accept that a question is a genuine one, coming from a point of interest, and you don't need to get defensive and/or evasive.
I think you are saying that as a vegan, you don't agree that wool taken from a wild animal in order to extend it's life, should be used for clothing.
There are many, many questions that could come as a result, but it's been painful enough getting an answer to one, so I'll give it a miss! |
I did accept it as a genuine one, and gave the genuine why.
The picture was not of a wild animal.
Sure, if you are walking through the woods, find a dead animal, or discarded fur, sure eat it, use it.
The premise of your question was false, the analogy was used an explanation.
Feel free to go back and answer any of the questions I posed. | | | |
| SUV (n/t) on 14:04 - Mar 31 with 1267 views | Bloots |
| I've read the thread.... on 14:00 - Mar 31 by SpruceMoose |
SUQ |
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| Apologies for not checking the family tree.... on 14:07 - Mar 31 with 1262 views | Bloots |
| I've read the thread.... on 14:04 - Mar 31 by eireblue |
I did accept it as a genuine one, and gave the genuine why.
The picture was not of a wild animal.
Sure, if you are walking through the woods, find a dead animal, or discarded fur, sure eat it, use it.
The premise of your question was false, the analogy was used an explanation.
Feel free to go back and answer any of the questions I posed. |
....of a random picture of a sheep from the internet.
#SLM
You still haven't really answered the question, but life's too short. | |
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| Nah, there were two questions..... on 14:09 - Mar 31 with 1261 views | eireblue |
| Nah, there were two questions..... on 14:03 - Mar 31 by Bloots |
...one about "catch and release", to which you replied by talking about a fish dying through a lack of oxygen.
The question was specifically about catch and release.
And another about using the wool of a wild animal, which you answered by talking about humans being kept in prison.
The question was specifically about wild animals.
So neither of your responses have been "genuine", they've both answered questions that weren't asked. |
When you catch a fish, for a period of time it can’t breath.
I am sorry you can’t follow the analogies.
I tend to make them up as I go along, they aren’t perfect.
Other analogies seem to cause offence, so I try and use my own
But that is how I like to respond to questions on veganism.
Since the basic premise of veganism is equal consideration, using analogies is sometimes the only way to express the belief. | | | |
| Apologies for not checking the family tree.... on 14:11 - Mar 31 with 1254 views | eireblue |
| Apologies for not checking the family tree.... on 14:07 - Mar 31 by Bloots |
....of a random picture of a sheep from the internet.
#SLM
You still haven't really answered the question, but life's too short. |
I have answered.
Sorry that you don’t seem to like the response. | | | |
| And that's fine, as long as..... on 14:12 - Mar 31 with 1252 views | Bloots |
| Nah, there were two questions..... on 14:09 - Mar 31 by eireblue |
When you catch a fish, for a period of time it can’t breath.
I am sorry you can’t follow the analogies.
I tend to make them up as I go along, they aren’t perfect.
Other analogies seem to cause offence, so I try and use my own
But that is how I like to respond to questions on veganism.
Since the basic premise of veganism is equal consideration, using analogies is sometimes the only way to express the belief. |
...the analogy reflects the question.
I think using an analogy about kids being in prison is a bit of a stretch when the question was about a wild sheep!
Meh. | |
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| I can remember numerous instances of being..... on 14:14 - Mar 31 with 1249 views | leitrimblue |
| I can remember numerous instances of being..... on 13:46 - Mar 31 by Bloots |
...."ducked" down the pool when I was a kid.
It was so prevalent that the killjoys put a sign up forbidding it.
Along with "bombing" and "petting".
TWTD |
Have a strange feeling you were no stranger to a wedgie or two as well? |  | | |
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