| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood 13:32 - Apr 1 with 5605 views | hype313 |
I don't like him, he's a clown, has morality issues and hasn't done anything of note since he joined.
Am I being unduly harsh? |  |
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| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 13:57 - Apr 1 with 1740 views | hype313 |
| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 13:54 - Apr 1 by DanTheMan |
It's quite fun to just look at the Ipswich stats on there.
I have no idea how accurate they are, but the "Top Assists" is fairly eye opening. |
it's quite frightening, not one Town player in either column.
Norwood Goal conversion 27%.... | |
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| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 13:57 - Apr 1 with 1740 views | jayessess |
| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 13:47 - Apr 1 by Basuco |
Yes, very harsh, Town are much more of a threat with him in the side and miss him badly when he is out, it is very noticeable when he is subbed and our goal threat disappears completely. |
I think there's 2 questions here:
(1) Is he currently the most effective of our strikers? (Answer: Yes, I think so).
(2) Is he good enough to lead the line for a title-winning League 1 side? (Answer: Not on the evidence of his 50 games for us) |  |
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| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 13:57 - Apr 1 with 1728 views | haynes_toe1 |
He's not great but he's the best we have. The problem is signing someone better. |  | | |
| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 13:58 - Apr 1 with 1721 views | chrismakin |
| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 13:57 - Apr 1 by hype313 |
it's quite frightening, not one Town player in either column.
Norwood Goal conversion 27%.... |
Jesus is it that low.
Ok scrap my first comment lol |  |
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| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 13:58 - Apr 1 with 1723 views | hype313 |
| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 13:57 - Apr 1 by jayessess |
I think there's 2 questions here:
(1) Is he currently the most effective of our strikers? (Answer: Yes, I think so).
(2) Is he good enough to lead the line for a title-winning League 1 side? (Answer: Not on the evidence of his 50 games for us) |
So in conclusion, we would be better off without him. | |
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| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 13:59 - Apr 1 with 1717 views | hype313 |
| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 13:58 - Apr 1 by chrismakin |
Jesus is it that low.
Ok scrap my first comment lol |
Ha, I'm all for debate, and proving me wrong, but the stats don't lie, and that's not including his persona.
I just think we need to seriously look at our striking options next season if we are to mount a challenge.
Having said that, to be fair if you look at Jonson Clarke-Harris even though he's scored 25 in 37 his goal conversion is the same at 27% [Post edited 1 Apr 2021 14:02]
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| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 14:00 - Apr 1 with 1711 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 13:54 - Apr 1 by DanTheMan |
It's quite fun to just look at the Ipswich stats on there.
I have no idea how accurate they are, but the "Top Assists" is fairly eye opening. |
Its on the BBC website, so I'd guess at "not very accurate at all". |  |
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| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 14:02 - Apr 1 with 1708 views | jayessess |
| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 13:57 - Apr 1 by hype313 |
it's quite frightening, not one Town player in either column.
Norwood Goal conversion 27%.... |
What's meant by goal conversion here? 27% is exceptional if that's shot conversion (ie. percentage of shots taken that he scores). | |
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| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 14:05 - Apr 1 with 1696 views | Steve_M |
You're being harsh on his goalscoring and usefulness to the team, not on the off-pitch stuff.
He's scored 17 goals in 37 starts and 18 sub appearances, that's a bit better than one in three in terms of minutes on the pitch for a team that doesn't create a lot. Yes, he's not clinical but he would probably be too good for us if he were.
My biggest criticism of him on the pitch is that his head goes down too easily, Fleetwood (or maybe Gillingham) was a classic example where he got a harsh decision against him early on and spent his time whinging at the ref. |  |
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| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 14:07 - Apr 1 with 1681 views | Swansea_Blue |
He does comfortably if you look at minutes per goal, which is a much fairer way of assessing someone who's played far fewer games than anyone on that list. Norwood is 178 mins per goal, which would put him about 7th or 8th in the league ranking. |  |
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| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 14:08 - Apr 1 with 1681 views | jayessess |
| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 13:59 - Apr 1 by hype313 |
Ha, I'm all for debate, and proving me wrong, but the stats don't lie, and that's not including his persona.
I just think we need to seriously look at our striking options next season if we are to mount a challenge.
Having said that, to be fair if you look at Jonson Clarke-Harris even though he's scored 25 in 37 his goal conversion is the same at 27% [Post edited 1 Apr 2021 14:02]
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This is the Premier League shot conversion chart for 2019-20. 27% would put you above everyone other than Vardy.
Even the best strikers are less efficient than we often imagine. [Post edited 1 Apr 2021 14:12]
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| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 14:13 - Apr 1 with 1671 views | Radlett_blue |
Yes. He seems one of those dislikeable players that you always hate among the opposition, but we shouldn't let our judgement be clouded by that as they are often effective & Town have been criticised for being too soft in that regard. In football terms, he's clearly the best striker we have so getting rid would be churlish unless you think we can bring in 3 better strikers.
As far as off-field issues are concerned, I don't think we should judge him on the 2nd pending drink-drive charge. I don't know what his defence is, but it will be up to the courts to deal with him & then he can face the consequences if found guilty. |  |
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| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 14:16 - Apr 1 with 1660 views | Bobbychase |
He's our leading scorer, the only one of our strikers who seems to have any finishing ability and has that nasty win-at-all-costs streak, Take his goals out of this season and we would be hovering between mid table and the relegation zone.
So I don't know about harsh, but he's our best hope of getting into the top six. If he gets injured we may as well stop our season. |  |
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| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 14:16 - Apr 1 with 1660 views | jayessess |
| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 14:13 - Apr 1 by Radlett_blue |
Yes. He seems one of those dislikeable players that you always hate among the opposition, but we shouldn't let our judgement be clouded by that as they are often effective & Town have been criticised for being too soft in that regard. In football terms, he's clearly the best striker we have so getting rid would be churlish unless you think we can bring in 3 better strikers.
As far as off-field issues are concerned, I don't think we should judge him on the 2nd pending drink-drive charge. I don't know what his defence is, but it will be up to the courts to deal with him & then he can face the consequences if found guilty. |
He's under contract until Summer 2022 and no-one is going to pay him what we are. So I don't think there's really much prospect of him leaving the club.
Do we want him leading the line in 2021-22 is the question. | |
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| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 14:19 - Apr 1 with 1656 views | homer_123 |
He's about as good we are likely to get playing in Division 3.
I see both Norwood and Jackson scoring much more if we can get our midfield (be it centrally or wide) creating more opportunities.
Both are more than decent at this level. |  |
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| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 14:21 - Apr 1 with 1654 views | Radlett_blue |
| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 14:16 - Apr 1 by jayessess |
He's under contract until Summer 2022 and no-one is going to pay him what we are. So I don't think there's really much prospect of him leaving the club.
Do we want him leading the line in 2021-22 is the question. |
I think Jackson needs to go (presumably after we trigger his one year extension) as he doesn't fit into Cook's preferred formation. Drinan doesn't look up to it; Sears isn't a lone central striker & looks shot. If we can find someone better than Norwood, great but we need probably two more strikers. | |
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| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 14:26 - Apr 1 with 1649 views | jayessess |
| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 14:19 - Apr 1 by homer_123 |
He's about as good we are likely to get playing in Division 3.
I see both Norwood and Jackson scoring much more if we can get our midfield (be it centrally or wide) creating more opportunities.
Both are more than decent at this level. |
Neither has ever scored 15, let alone 20, in a League One season. Jackson's never hit either mark at any level of professional football. On what basis are they "more than decent" for a team aspiring to win the league?
The top 3 teams in this league have the 3 top scorers: Clarke-Harris, Wyke and Wilks. I don't think you can claim ours are in that bracket at all. | |
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| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 14:30 - Apr 1 with 1643 views | itfcjoe |
| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 13:41 - Apr 1 by hype313 |
He's not a good goalscorer, certainly not in this division. |
He's barely been fit enough to play 60 minutes this season, but is scoring 0.5 goals per 90 minutes - i.e. 1 in 2........in the most shot shy team in the league.
He's not someone I'd be particularly sorry to see the back off, but no doubt he can get us goals at this level if the team was set up properly |  |
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| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 14:34 - Apr 1 with 1630 views | Keaneish |
Given you've never met him and are acting on what you perceive him to be through media channels, yeah, i'd say that's pretty harsh. Lots of folk on here judge him by appearance (his physique or his top knot), his social media footprint or perhaps his recent indiscretion...
I'd say that's a sad reflection on the character of others rather than Norwood himself. Saying that, "i hate" Chris Sutton whom i've never met so i'm no better!  |  |
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| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 14:36 - Apr 1 with 1622 views | itfcjoe |
| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 14:26 - Apr 1 by jayessess |
Neither has ever scored 15, let alone 20, in a League One season. Jackson's never hit either mark at any level of professional football. On what basis are they "more than decent" for a team aspiring to win the league?
The top 3 teams in this league have the 3 top scorers: Clarke-Harris, Wyke and Wilks. I don't think you can claim ours are in that bracket at all. |
Charlie Wyke is 28 and scored more than 15 for first time in his career this year after a decade in the bottom 2 tiers.
Clarke-Harris had put together a couple of good goalscoring seasons for Bristol Rovers but had barely played in them 11 in 16 and 13 in 26 - obviously had fitness issues.
There's no reason that they are head and shoulders above Norwood bar finally playing in a team that creates them chances, and in JCH's case staying fit.
Look at the reaction when we were linked with Wyke in the summer, from both our fans and Sunderland fans.... | |
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| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 14:58 - Apr 1 with 1625 views | jayessess |
| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 14:36 - Apr 1 by itfcjoe |
Charlie Wyke is 28 and scored more than 15 for first time in his career this year after a decade in the bottom 2 tiers.
Clarke-Harris had put together a couple of good goalscoring seasons for Bristol Rovers but had barely played in them 11 in 16 and 13 in 26 - obviously had fitness issues.
There's no reason that they are head and shoulders above Norwood bar finally playing in a team that creates them chances, and in JCH's case staying fit.
Look at the reaction when we were linked with Wyke in the summer, from both our fans and Sunderland fans.... |
Take your point that players do sometimes find another level. My hunch is that Cook will want more than Norwood and Jackson are currently able to give him... | |
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| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 15:00 - Apr 1 with 1618 views | homer_123 |
| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 14:58 - Apr 1 by jayessess |
Take your point that players do sometimes find another level. My hunch is that Cook will want more than Norwood and Jackson are currently able to give him... |
The point remains that they could easily deliver more if we can create more chances. It's not like we are creating oodles of opportunities to score at the moment. | |
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| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 15:05 - Apr 1 with 1602 views | J2BLUE |
Norwood in for me and it's not even close.
We're not going to get better within our budget. He's already here, settled and seemingly rated (based on what LON said and the fact Cook has been in the meetings by the sounds of it).
We need more characters. You might not like him but i'd take 11 like him with a bit of fight over some of the wet blankets we've had in recent times. In fact i'd love to see us sign a few more wind up merchant niggly players who get a reaction. We badly need some street-smarts. As for his attitude to fitness that's for Cook to deal with and I suspect he will.
Anyone who drink drives is a bellend but going down the morality route is not going to do us any favours is it? We can all think of a few Town legends who weren't saints in the morality department. Stick to thinking about what they do on the field/in the dugout. Obviously if Norwood doesn't learn and does it again then it will be a big issue but he deserves a chance to hold his hands up and learn from it.
Disappointed to see fans slowly turning on Norwood. We need him. |  |
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| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 15:06 - Apr 1 with 1605 views | jayessess |
| I'd be happy to see the back of Norwood on 15:00 - Apr 1 by homer_123 |
The point remains that they could easily deliver more if we can create more chances. It's not like we are creating oodles of opportunities to score at the moment. |
You're right, of course, but they are also part of that non-functioning forward line, aren't they? They're aren't simply bystanders to how many chances we create, they're involved in our sub-standard link up play, our inability to keep the ball in the final third, our poor decision making in attacking areas and our lack of intelligent movement. [Post edited 1 Apr 2021 15:06]
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