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Is signing in really such a hardship? 23:33 - Apr 1 with 4125 viewsCoastalblue

People seem to be getting really upset about giving their details over in order to go to the pub, but is it really such a big deal in the current situation?

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Is signing in really such a hardship? on 23:36 - Apr 1 with 2326 viewsBelsteadCav

No

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Is signing in really such a hardship? on 23:41 - Apr 1 with 2313 viewsbournemouthblue

Things like this could have all been handled by a decent track and trace app

GDPR regulation could have covered this too if people are worried about their data


But ultimately, businesses will have to adapt and do the government's work for them

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Is signing in really such a hardship? on 00:00 - Apr 2 with 2279 viewsStokieBlue

It's not a big deal at all unless one is trying to be awkward.

People have done it for years when making a booking.

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Is signing in really such a hardship? on 00:07 - Apr 2 with 2251 viewshoppy

No, it's not a hardship, in my mind, although I can also see the very valid point that anyone can go into a supermarket or shop without having to sign in, go to the checkout and pay normally - so why should being in a pub be that much different?

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Is signing in really such a hardship? on 00:39 - Apr 2 with 2204 viewsArnoldMoorhen

Is signing in really such a hardship? on 00:07 - Apr 2 by hoppy

No, it's not a hardship, in my mind, although I can also see the very valid point that anyone can go into a supermarket or shop without having to sign in, go to the checkout and pay normally - so why should being in a pub be that much different?


Because you sit for hours on end in relatively close proximity to other tables of users, eventually indoors, and some people may have their judgement of what constitutes appropriate social distancing impaired by alcohol.

Quite different from steering a trolley round someone in the Baked Beans aisle.
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Is signing in really such a hardship? on 04:58 - Apr 2 with 2120 viewswkj

Not a big deal for me. If I feel I can trust the handling of the data - im going to live in the beer garden. If i can't, I'm staying at home but put on massive BBQs from all the points I have saved on my Nectar Card - thus keeping my data and privacy entirely in tact.

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Is signing in really such a hardship? on 05:12 - Apr 2 with 2109 viewsSpruceMoose

Is signing in really such a hardship? on 00:00 - Apr 2 by StokieBlue

It's not a big deal at all unless one is trying to be awkward.

People have done it for years when making a booking.

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Is signing in really such a hardship? on 06:55 - Apr 2 with 2042 viewsCoastalblue

Is signing in really such a hardship? on 05:12 - Apr 2 by SpruceMoose

Yes, but my freedoms Stokie.


You'll lose them anyway when Bill Gates injects his tracking software into your DNA, I heard Microsoft will be launching a beer to coincide with the pub reopening, they're confident a lot of people will find buying it irresistable.

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Is signing in really such a hardship? on 07:12 - Apr 2 with 2010 viewslazyblue

It’s ridiculous why people get upset , we want are freedom blah blah blah .
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Is signing in really such a hardship? on 07:20 - Apr 2 with 1988 viewsMr_J

It's not really a hardship, but this was meant to happen last summer and it didn't. Of the handful of pubs I visited last year none even attempted to ask for details. It's a nice idea but it's for grabbing positive headlines and it won't be enforced.
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Is signing in really such a hardship? on 07:27 - Apr 2 with 1972 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Is signing in really such a hardship? on 00:39 - Apr 2 by ArnoldMoorhen

Because you sit for hours on end in relatively close proximity to other tables of users, eventually indoors, and some people may have their judgement of what constitutes appropriate social distancing impaired by alcohol.

Quite different from steering a trolley round someone in the Baked Beans aisle.


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Is signing in really such a hardship? on 07:30 - Apr 2 with 1962 viewsCoastalblue

Is signing in really such a hardship? on 07:20 - Apr 2 by Mr_J

It's not really a hardship, but this was meant to happen last summer and it didn't. Of the handful of pubs I visited last year none even attempted to ask for details. It's a nice idea but it's for grabbing positive headlines and it won't be enforced.


Surprised to hear you say that, I think I gave my details at every pub I visited in London last summer, and not sure we'd have got in otherwise.

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Is signing in really such a hardship? on 07:37 - Apr 2 with 1931 viewsLeaky

Is signing in really such a hardship? on 04:58 - Apr 2 by wkj

Not a big deal for me. If I feel I can trust the handling of the data - im going to live in the beer garden. If i can't, I'm staying at home but put on massive BBQs from all the points I have saved on my Nectar Card - thus keeping my data and privacy entirely in tact.


How ever what happens to the data on your Nectar card.
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Is signing in really such a hardship? on 07:46 - Apr 2 with 1924 viewsWD19

It is completely necessary in order to get things moving.

However, I imagine people who are in the pub with people they should not be will not be keen.

And there will be the people who are ‘worried’ about getting a call to self isolate (and then not be able to work) as a result of sharing the pub with someone who later returns a positive result.

All of which means that requiring ‘signing in’ without proof of ID is pointless.
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Is signing in really such a hardship? on 08:04 - Apr 2 with 1891 viewsPendejo

Is signing in really such a hardship? on 07:46 - Apr 2 by WD19

It is completely necessary in order to get things moving.

However, I imagine people who are in the pub with people they should not be will not be keen.

And there will be the people who are ‘worried’ about getting a call to self isolate (and then not be able to work) as a result of sharing the pub with someone who later returns a positive result.

All of which means that requiring ‘signing in’ without proof of ID is pointless.


If only they'd equipped the vaccine with tracking nanochips, so signing in not necessary as chip readers in the door will do it for you.

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Is signing in really such a hardship? on 08:24 - Apr 2 with 1850 viewsStokieBlue

Is signing in really such a hardship? on 07:20 - Apr 2 by Mr_J

It's not really a hardship, but this was meant to happen last summer and it didn't. Of the handful of pubs I visited last year none even attempted to ask for details. It's a nice idea but it's for grabbing positive headlines and it won't be enforced.


I think this might say more about the establishments you decided to attend.

In London, every place wanted to see a confirmed sign-in on the NHS app before you were even allowed in the door. Same for a lot of restaurants.

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Is signing in really such a hardship? on 08:25 - Apr 2 with 1849 viewsStokieBlue

Is signing in really such a hardship? on 07:46 - Apr 2 by WD19

It is completely necessary in order to get things moving.

However, I imagine people who are in the pub with people they should not be will not be keen.

And there will be the people who are ‘worried’ about getting a call to self isolate (and then not be able to work) as a result of sharing the pub with someone who later returns a positive result.

All of which means that requiring ‘signing in’ without proof of ID is pointless.


For those people it's no different is it? Unless they are claiming not to be in the pub at all it doesn't record who you are with. It's done individually on the NHS app.

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Is signing in really such a hardship? on 08:27 - Apr 2 with 1845 viewsGeoffSentence

Doesn't worry me personally, but last summer there were cases where attractive women were had unwelcome contacts from men who worked in pubs and restaurants and had got their details from sign in sheets.

Same with CCTV, there have been cases of operators zooming in on cleavages and saving the footage for their own nefarious pleasure.

There are people who cannot be trusted with this info, so I can see why people have their objections.

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Is signing in really such a hardship? on 08:28 - Apr 2 with 1837 viewsPlums

People are going to go crazy when they find out what information is stored on their phones.
They’re all nuts.

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Is signing in really such a hardship? on 08:37 - Apr 2 with 1801 viewsWD19

Is signing in really such a hardship? on 08:25 - Apr 2 by StokieBlue

For those people it's no different is it? Unless they are claiming not to be in the pub at all it doesn't record who you are with. It's done individually on the NHS app.

SB


As with your post above, ‘I haven’t got the app guv’ renders it futile. I live near and work in London and I don’t know of a single person who has got the app.
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Is signing in really such a hardship? on 08:38 - Apr 2 with 1800 viewsStokieBlue

Is signing in really such a hardship? on 08:27 - Apr 2 by GeoffSentence

Doesn't worry me personally, but last summer there were cases where attractive women were had unwelcome contacts from men who worked in pubs and restaurants and had got their details from sign in sheets.

Same with CCTV, there have been cases of operators zooming in on cleavages and saving the footage for their own nefarious pleasure.

There are people who cannot be trusted with this info, so I can see why people have their objections.


So the first one is an issue with the people not the process and those people should be dealt with harshly.

The second one could happen any time - it doesn't seem to be related to signing in?

Both examples are awful though.

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Is signing in really such a hardship? on 08:41 - Apr 2 with 1784 viewsGeoffSentence

Is signing in really such a hardship? on 08:38 - Apr 2 by StokieBlue

So the first one is an issue with the people not the process and those people should be dealt with harshly.

The second one could happen any time - it doesn't seem to be related to signing in?

Both examples are awful though.

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Second one is only an illustration of how people cannot be trusted with personal data.

Whatever punishments are put in place for such trangressions they will still happen and so won't help those who are victims of them.

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Is signing in really such a hardship? on 08:42 - Apr 2 with 1779 viewsStokieBlue

Is signing in really such a hardship? on 08:37 - Apr 2 by WD19

As with your post above, ‘I haven’t got the app guv’ renders it futile. I live near and work in London and I don’t know of a single person who has got the app.


I'm amazed to be honest that nobody you know has it. It's the standard NHS track and trace app.

Places were literally turning people away without the app over the summer where I work.

No app sign-in, no entry. That wasn't the norm everywhere and many still had sign-ins but I don't see why it can't be.

Why are these things so hard for people to do? It's for the safety of themselves or others. Are we just a selfish nation?

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Is signing in really such a hardship? on 08:44 - Apr 2 with 1764 viewsGlasgowBlue

Is signing in really such a hardship? on 23:41 - Apr 1 by bournemouthblue

Things like this could have all been handled by a decent track and trace app

GDPR regulation could have covered this too if people are worried about their data


But ultimately, businesses will have to adapt and do the government's work for them


Except a large chunk of the population over 65 don’t use smart phones or know how to use them.

Signing in is easy for everybody.

Edit, don’t you still have an NHS sign in ap down there? I used it when taking my daughter to Zuni in London back in September.
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Is signing in really such a hardship? on 08:53 - Apr 2 with 1746 viewschicoazul

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