Handing in notice without a new job... 11:12 - Apr 6 with 7781 views | clive_baker | Always been of the mindset that it's a mad thing to do but I'm very much lacking motivation for my role (have been for a while in truth) and considering a change. Been at this company a number of years now and it's ran it's natural course for me. I don't have anything lined up, and being on a 6 month notice makes that harder as a lot of the roles are more immediately required. The security of 6 months has been lovely over the last year or so, I'm not knocking that. Been giving it a lot of thought and considering just handing the notice in and then upping the search over summer for an October start. Is it mad in these (or any other) circumstances? |  |
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Handing in notice without a new job... on 16:14 - Apr 6 with 3053 views | bluelagos |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 15:52 - Apr 6 by DebsyAngel | I had to do it for my sanity at the Council. The bullying and setting me up to get into trouble was making me so ill, and the constant noise from one member of staff. I asked my supervisor could I move to another part of the office to be away from her, but he refused, despite my lack of concentration meaning I was making mistakes on very important information in my job role. I was battling thyroid issues and had recently started on medication to help me, but the constant stress and noise meant I was going home suicidal each day and my parents were so upset at the state I was in, that they complained to my supervisor. But it did nothing - it all came to a head where I had a supervision and the lies that were being thrown at me, despite my evidence that it was rubbish, having proof of medical stuff and doctors appointments.... he just would not listen. They wanted me gone and all the staff ganged up on me. I walked out and was about to throw myself off the 4th floor balcony in the building but was pulled back by a couple of cleaners there. I called my Dad who collected me, and got a doctors appointment that same day, and the locum there told me to quit the job, as I would never win with bullying that bad. I went in the next day when I knew most people were in meetings, and collected my stuff and cleared any personal stuff off my computer. A few weeks passed and that supervisor rang to talk to me, but I refused to take it and wrote a resignation letter. What a way to end 23 years in a job that I had once loved. I had a few weeks off to move in with my now husband, and that was the one thing that kept me going. I tried to get another job after half a year on Income Support, but my health was getting so bad, that I was moved to ESA. I did get an interview at another job and was offered the job, but sadly I had a breakdown after that and never really recovered. I am now a housewife but feel like a failure. |
Sounds rough Debsy. Being a housewife, supporting your partner / family is anything but a failure. It's just a different role to the one you had before but there are lots of different roles in life. Who or what defines what is "successful" anyway? My nephew left school at 16, scraped a couple of GCSEs, never considered university and the professions that his siblings/cousins did. He trained as a sky diver and has lived and worked in different places and gets to jump out of airplanes. Is he a success? Why ever not? How we value ourselves should be far more than purely by whatever value society places on our occupations. There are far more important aspects to who we are than what we do for a living. |  |
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Handing in notice without a new job... on 16:27 - Apr 6 with 3042 views | mutters | Depending on your circumstances, I would say go for it. I have never gone straight from one job to another and always try to have a break in between to recharge the old batteries. Depending on your life situation, you could travel (when allowed), spend time with family or friends, or even just sit around doing things that you enjoy but don't have the time. It always worries me when people are pushing on with their career so they can retire at 60... your knees could be blown out by then and your back could be shot. Life is short... |  |
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Handing in notice without a new job... on 16:57 - Apr 6 with 3022 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 15:52 - Apr 6 by DebsyAngel | I had to do it for my sanity at the Council. The bullying and setting me up to get into trouble was making me so ill, and the constant noise from one member of staff. I asked my supervisor could I move to another part of the office to be away from her, but he refused, despite my lack of concentration meaning I was making mistakes on very important information in my job role. I was battling thyroid issues and had recently started on medication to help me, but the constant stress and noise meant I was going home suicidal each day and my parents were so upset at the state I was in, that they complained to my supervisor. But it did nothing - it all came to a head where I had a supervision and the lies that were being thrown at me, despite my evidence that it was rubbish, having proof of medical stuff and doctors appointments.... he just would not listen. They wanted me gone and all the staff ganged up on me. I walked out and was about to throw myself off the 4th floor balcony in the building but was pulled back by a couple of cleaners there. I called my Dad who collected me, and got a doctors appointment that same day, and the locum there told me to quit the job, as I would never win with bullying that bad. I went in the next day when I knew most people were in meetings, and collected my stuff and cleared any personal stuff off my computer. A few weeks passed and that supervisor rang to talk to me, but I refused to take it and wrote a resignation letter. What a way to end 23 years in a job that I had once loved. I had a few weeks off to move in with my now husband, and that was the one thing that kept me going. I tried to get another job after half a year on Income Support, but my health was getting so bad, that I was moved to ESA. I did get an interview at another job and was offered the job, but sadly I had a breakdown after that and never really recovered. I am now a housewife but feel like a failure. |
Oh Debsy, sorry to hear that. How long ago was that, if you don't mind me asking? The situation you describe, where someone resigns because of clear bullying (and also failure of employer to make reasonable adjustments to support you when ill) constitutes Constructive Dismissal. You may still be able to sue and receive damages, which will help your financial situation. |  | |  |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 17:00 - Apr 6 with 3027 views | Dyland |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 15:52 - Apr 6 by DebsyAngel | I had to do it for my sanity at the Council. The bullying and setting me up to get into trouble was making me so ill, and the constant noise from one member of staff. I asked my supervisor could I move to another part of the office to be away from her, but he refused, despite my lack of concentration meaning I was making mistakes on very important information in my job role. I was battling thyroid issues and had recently started on medication to help me, but the constant stress and noise meant I was going home suicidal each day and my parents were so upset at the state I was in, that they complained to my supervisor. But it did nothing - it all came to a head where I had a supervision and the lies that were being thrown at me, despite my evidence that it was rubbish, having proof of medical stuff and doctors appointments.... he just would not listen. They wanted me gone and all the staff ganged up on me. I walked out and was about to throw myself off the 4th floor balcony in the building but was pulled back by a couple of cleaners there. I called my Dad who collected me, and got a doctors appointment that same day, and the locum there told me to quit the job, as I would never win with bullying that bad. I went in the next day when I knew most people were in meetings, and collected my stuff and cleared any personal stuff off my computer. A few weeks passed and that supervisor rang to talk to me, but I refused to take it and wrote a resignation letter. What a way to end 23 years in a job that I had once loved. I had a few weeks off to move in with my now husband, and that was the one thing that kept me going. I tried to get another job after half a year on Income Support, but my health was getting so bad, that I was moved to ESA. I did get an interview at another job and was offered the job, but sadly I had a breakdown after that and never really recovered. I am now a housewife but feel like a failure. |
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Handing in notice without a new job... on 17:23 - Apr 6 with 2991 views | DebsyAngel |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 16:57 - Apr 6 by ArnoldMoorhen | Oh Debsy, sorry to hear that. How long ago was that, if you don't mind me asking? The situation you describe, where someone resigns because of clear bullying (and also failure of employer to make reasonable adjustments to support you when ill) constitutes Constructive Dismissal. You may still be able to sue and receive damages, which will help your financial situation. |
It was 10 years come June. I just so wish I had left there in 2005 when the bullying started at the old building. We relocated to Endeavour House and it got worse, despite changing teams I worked in. I did look elsewhere when it started up and got an interview at a solicitors to do typing etc but turned it down as the bullies undermined my confidence so badly, saying I would fail and be useless and to stick to something I was "good at". I so wish I had ignored them. My advice to anyone, is if you are unhappy, find something else - will be harder in this current climate, but please don;t make the mistake I did. |  | |  |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 17:31 - Apr 6 with 2979 views | Churchman |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 15:52 - Apr 6 by DebsyAngel | I had to do it for my sanity at the Council. The bullying and setting me up to get into trouble was making me so ill, and the constant noise from one member of staff. I asked my supervisor could I move to another part of the office to be away from her, but he refused, despite my lack of concentration meaning I was making mistakes on very important information in my job role. I was battling thyroid issues and had recently started on medication to help me, but the constant stress and noise meant I was going home suicidal each day and my parents were so upset at the state I was in, that they complained to my supervisor. But it did nothing - it all came to a head where I had a supervision and the lies that were being thrown at me, despite my evidence that it was rubbish, having proof of medical stuff and doctors appointments.... he just would not listen. They wanted me gone and all the staff ganged up on me. I walked out and was about to throw myself off the 4th floor balcony in the building but was pulled back by a couple of cleaners there. I called my Dad who collected me, and got a doctors appointment that same day, and the locum there told me to quit the job, as I would never win with bullying that bad. I went in the next day when I knew most people were in meetings, and collected my stuff and cleared any personal stuff off my computer. A few weeks passed and that supervisor rang to talk to me, but I refused to take it and wrote a resignation letter. What a way to end 23 years in a job that I had once loved. I had a few weeks off to move in with my now husband, and that was the one thing that kept me going. I tried to get another job after half a year on Income Support, but my health was getting so bad, that I was moved to ESA. I did get an interview at another job and was offered the job, but sadly I had a breakdown after that and never really recovered. I am now a housewife but feel like a failure. |
Your employers failed you. You were right to walk away and you are not a failure. |  | |  |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 17:56 - Apr 6 with 2969 views | Keno |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 15:52 - Apr 6 by DebsyAngel | I had to do it for my sanity at the Council. The bullying and setting me up to get into trouble was making me so ill, and the constant noise from one member of staff. I asked my supervisor could I move to another part of the office to be away from her, but he refused, despite my lack of concentration meaning I was making mistakes on very important information in my job role. I was battling thyroid issues and had recently started on medication to help me, but the constant stress and noise meant I was going home suicidal each day and my parents were so upset at the state I was in, that they complained to my supervisor. But it did nothing - it all came to a head where I had a supervision and the lies that were being thrown at me, despite my evidence that it was rubbish, having proof of medical stuff and doctors appointments.... he just would not listen. They wanted me gone and all the staff ganged up on me. I walked out and was about to throw myself off the 4th floor balcony in the building but was pulled back by a couple of cleaners there. I called my Dad who collected me, and got a doctors appointment that same day, and the locum there told me to quit the job, as I would never win with bullying that bad. I went in the next day when I knew most people were in meetings, and collected my stuff and cleared any personal stuff off my computer. A few weeks passed and that supervisor rang to talk to me, but I refused to take it and wrote a resignation letter. What a way to end 23 years in a job that I had once loved. I had a few weeks off to move in with my now husband, and that was the one thing that kept me going. I tried to get another job after half a year on Income Support, but my health was getting so bad, that I was moved to ESA. I did get an interview at another job and was offered the job, but sadly I had a breakdown after that and never really recovered. I am now a housewife but feel like a failure. |
I dint think I'm alone in saying that you are not a failure!! Your employers and colleague were the failures you shows a great deal of strength in walking away. Debsy to many of us on here you are a a hero and TWTD would be the poorer the without (that may not help or count for much but you are special to us) |  |
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Handing in notice without a new job... on 18:34 - Apr 6 with 2948 views | DebsyAngel |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 17:56 - Apr 6 by Keno | I dint think I'm alone in saying that you are not a failure!! Your employers and colleague were the failures you shows a great deal of strength in walking away. Debsy to many of us on here you are a a hero and TWTD would be the poorer the without (that may not help or count for much but you are special to us) |
That is a truly lovely thing to say, Keno. You and a lot of others on here have been so supportive and kind to me in this last 13 months, and I appreciate everyone who helps me. Thank you x |  | |  | Login to get fewer ads
Handing in notice without a new job... on 19:27 - Apr 6 with 2923 views | PJH |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 17:56 - Apr 6 by Keno | I dint think I'm alone in saying that you are not a failure!! Your employers and colleague were the failures you shows a great deal of strength in walking away. Debsy to many of us on here you are a a hero and TWTD would be the poorer the without (that may not help or count for much but you are special to us) |
I was going to reply to Debsys post but you have done it far better than I could have done. Debsy, I echo Keno's last bit, you are one of the good ones on here and sometimes reading about your troubles is heartbreaking. We are with you. [Post edited 6 Apr 2021 20:56]
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Handing in notice without a new job... on 19:52 - Apr 6 with 2903 views | DebsyAngel |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 19:27 - Apr 6 by PJH | I was going to reply to Debsys post but you have done it far better than I could have done. Debsy, I echo Keno's last bit, you are one of the good ones on here and sometimes reading about your troubles is heartbreaking. We are with you. [Post edited 6 Apr 2021 20:56]
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Thank you PJH - the support on this site has been remarkable, and nice to know so many caring people out there. I hope that the OP finds inspiration from the many stories on this thread to make the right decision. |  | |  |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 23:17 - Apr 6 with 2843 views | monytowbray |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 14:58 - Apr 6 by J2BLUE | Genuinely insulting to people who actually suffered slavery. |
Is it? Employers control you and the collective much more than you realise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_slavery [Post edited 6 Apr 2021 23:21]
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Handing in notice without a new job... on 23:42 - Apr 6 with 2825 views | J2BLUE |
I'm aware of the term and i'm in no doubt how much my last employer controlled my life but I was paid, got to go home at the end of each day, got breaks, sick pay and holidays etc. I was also able to quit. I'm also able to seek employment elsewhere. It's an insult to those who were and are enslaved. |  |
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Handing in notice without a new job... on 09:35 - Apr 7 with 2743 views | monytowbray |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 23:42 - Apr 6 by J2BLUE | I'm aware of the term and i'm in no doubt how much my last employer controlled my life but I was paid, got to go home at the end of each day, got breaks, sick pay and holidays etc. I was also able to quit. I'm also able to seek employment elsewhere. It's an insult to those who were and are enslaved. |
Slavery is a spectrum. |  |
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Handing in notice without a new job... on 10:50 - Apr 7 with 2722 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 09:35 - Apr 7 by monytowbray | Slavery is a spectrum. |
"Wage slavery" is a metaphor, which has uses and can open some peoples eyes to things they had not seen before. But "Slavery" is absolute when, for example, slaves are bought and sold as chattels, can be beaten, mutilated and abused by their "owners" at will, or raped and treated as sexual objects. When slaves have no recourse to law, or their testimony is disregarded. When, ultimately, whether they live or die is down to the capriciousness of an individual who paid for that right to control them. That is quite different from telesales in an industrial estate in Croydon. We should celebrate those who won us the freedoms we enjoy, and oppose those who are eroding them by the week. |  | |  |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 13:28 - Apr 7 with 2701 views | monytowbray |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 10:50 - Apr 7 by ArnoldMoorhen | "Wage slavery" is a metaphor, which has uses and can open some peoples eyes to things they had not seen before. But "Slavery" is absolute when, for example, slaves are bought and sold as chattels, can be beaten, mutilated and abused by their "owners" at will, or raped and treated as sexual objects. When slaves have no recourse to law, or their testimony is disregarded. When, ultimately, whether they live or die is down to the capriciousness of an individual who paid for that right to control them. That is quite different from telesales in an industrial estate in Croydon. We should celebrate those who won us the freedoms we enjoy, and oppose those who are eroding them by the week. |
We are all slaves to a system that requires to collect enough tokens to keep food in our mouths and roofs over our head until those human rights basics are an absolute for all. That stuff made in CCP concentration camps - we buy it and do f 'all to oppose it globally. We've barely pushed our manufacturers for transparency in this regard, so we're all complicit in that happening sadly. These aren't metaphors. |  |
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Handing in notice without a new job... on 13:51 - Apr 7 with 2681 views | Churchman |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 13:28 - Apr 7 by monytowbray | We are all slaves to a system that requires to collect enough tokens to keep food in our mouths and roofs over our head until those human rights basics are an absolute for all. That stuff made in CCP concentration camps - we buy it and do f 'all to oppose it globally. We've barely pushed our manufacturers for transparency in this regard, so we're all complicit in that happening sadly. These aren't metaphors. |
Sorry, I have to disagree. I understand what you are saying but using the word slavery is wrong in my view. Slavery means no choice. You depend entirely on your owner for your food, what you do, when you do it and how. You have nothing, you are nothing and never will be. In a society like ours, you may be constrained by the need to by necessities of life, by your responsibilities and by lack of employment options but you always have the choice to leave. Nobody can make you work. If you have to put bread on the table but hate what you do, you always have the option to do something about it (e.g. learn a new skill, move within a company, whatever). A slave has none of those options. Slavery is a crime against humanity. End of. It’s been around for 1000s of years, is around now and sadly will be in another 1000 years I suspect. But it should be fought against. It’s everybody’s business and I wish western societies would try harder to at least reduce it. |  | |  |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 14:02 - Apr 7 with 2679 views | nodge_blue | I quit my job without one to go into. I had to serve a 3 month notice period which was horrible as the team were busy and kept shovelling me the work even though my motivation was very low. I was/am in a fortunate position of being able to live of other investment incomes but its still quite a scary thing to do. Ive sat out the pandemic and thinking about work again now. But Im not sure I want to. Ive pretty much had a job offer on good money but not sure now I want the hassle. I think you need to know that you can live off what you have for a period of time without it stressing you out. I should add I have no regrets. It had run its course and I was totally fed up. You know sometimes in life you have to take some calculated risks. [Post edited 7 Apr 2021 14:18]
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Handing in notice without a new job... on 14:13 - Apr 7 with 2675 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 17:23 - Apr 6 by DebsyAngel | It was 10 years come June. I just so wish I had left there in 2005 when the bullying started at the old building. We relocated to Endeavour House and it got worse, despite changing teams I worked in. I did look elsewhere when it started up and got an interview at a solicitors to do typing etc but turned it down as the bullies undermined my confidence so badly, saying I would fail and be useless and to stick to something I was "good at". I so wish I had ignored them. My advice to anyone, is if you are unhappy, find something else - will be harder in this current climate, but please don;t make the mistake I did. |
I'm afraid that you are well past the time limit for a claim for unfair dismissal, then, sorry. I just want to add my own echo of everybody else's reassurance to you. You were bullied, and persistent bullying can strongly undermine self-confidence and leave one questioning oneself. So, I can understand why you sometimes feel a failure, but that is just the last tentacles of the bullies reaching out and tweaking at you. It's not a truthful criticism of you, but it feels very real and reopens the old feelings. Over time those twinges of the past can lessen. So, please hear the words of the many on here who are telling the truth. You are not a failure. You have overcome a traumatic period of your life, and the next chapter is for you to write, not the bullies of the past to dictate. Some people find it helpful to do the following two exercise: Write the word "LIES" at the top of a piece of paper. Then write down some of the things you have said here, and the unfair criticisms people made of you. Show it to a trusted loved one if you wish, and then, together with them or just on your own, burn it somewhere beautiful outside, and resolve to always see these comments as lies from now on, with no more power to hurt you. |  | |  |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 15:10 - Apr 7 with 2648 views | monytowbray |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 13:51 - Apr 7 by Churchman | Sorry, I have to disagree. I understand what you are saying but using the word slavery is wrong in my view. Slavery means no choice. You depend entirely on your owner for your food, what you do, when you do it and how. You have nothing, you are nothing and never will be. In a society like ours, you may be constrained by the need to by necessities of life, by your responsibilities and by lack of employment options but you always have the choice to leave. Nobody can make you work. If you have to put bread on the table but hate what you do, you always have the option to do something about it (e.g. learn a new skill, move within a company, whatever). A slave has none of those options. Slavery is a crime against humanity. End of. It’s been around for 1000s of years, is around now and sadly will be in another 1000 years I suspect. But it should be fought against. It’s everybody’s business and I wish western societies would try harder to at least reduce it. |
Depends what you define as an owner, you are told you have no choice but to pay your bills and taxes, it's just longer drawn out process. |  |
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Handing in notice without a new job... on 15:17 - Apr 7 with 2642 views | longtimefan |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 15:10 - Apr 7 by monytowbray | Depends what you define as an owner, you are told you have no choice but to pay your bills and taxes, it's just longer drawn out process. |
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Handing in notice without a new job... on 15:23 - Apr 7 with 2640 views | DebsyAngel |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 14:13 - Apr 7 by ArnoldMoorhen | I'm afraid that you are well past the time limit for a claim for unfair dismissal, then, sorry. I just want to add my own echo of everybody else's reassurance to you. You were bullied, and persistent bullying can strongly undermine self-confidence and leave one questioning oneself. So, I can understand why you sometimes feel a failure, but that is just the last tentacles of the bullies reaching out and tweaking at you. It's not a truthful criticism of you, but it feels very real and reopens the old feelings. Over time those twinges of the past can lessen. So, please hear the words of the many on here who are telling the truth. You are not a failure. You have overcome a traumatic period of your life, and the next chapter is for you to write, not the bullies of the past to dictate. Some people find it helpful to do the following two exercise: Write the word "LIES" at the top of a piece of paper. Then write down some of the things you have said here, and the unfair criticisms people made of you. Show it to a trusted loved one if you wish, and then, together with them or just on your own, burn it somewhere beautiful outside, and resolve to always see these comments as lies from now on, with no more power to hurt you. |
Thank you for your advice - I will try your suggestions. I have found it comforting to talk to people on here, and take the advice given, or adapt it to fit into my life. |  | |  |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 15:24 - Apr 7 with 2637 views | gordon | Could be a few decent senior level jobs coming up in the Ipswich area over the next few months. |  | |  |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 18:10 - Apr 7 with 2608 views | monytowbray |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 15:17 - Apr 7 by longtimefan | You pay bills and taxes whether you work for an employer or yourself. |
Being self-employed means someone isn’t skimming off my labour and experience though. |  |
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Handing in notice without a new job... on 18:30 - Apr 7 with 2599 views | giant_stow |
Handing in notice without a new job... on 18:10 - Apr 7 by monytowbray | Being self-employed means someone isn’t skimming off my labour and experience though. |
Everyone is always 'skimmed' whether working for yourself or others. If yourself, it'll often be sub contracting, with the one above putting their bit on top. Even if you work directly to the end client, they wouldn't be employing you if you weren't adding some kind of value/profit down the line. We're all cogs! |  |
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Handing in notice without a new job... on 18:44 - Apr 7 with 2593 views | BlueandTruesince82 | Without knowing what you do or in which direction you might want to go it's hard to say but 6 months notice to me suggests that whatever you do you operate at a reasonably successfull level.... that being the case it might be worth finding a decent agency, one that specialises in being higher up the chain where they arse used to that kind of notice period? |  |
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