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A night from the past in Belfast 00:15 - Apr 8 with 890 viewswkj

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I know this is the outcome nobody wanted to see, but it is here and is very real. I hope we never reach the way life used to be, for both sides.

This is why the details of the Brexit deal had a lot of people wound up. If we mess this up, will the NIPA ever be reached again?

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A night from the past in Belfast on 00:24 - Apr 8 with 864 viewspointofblue

Is it the Brexit agreement or is it the funeral of Bobby Storey which is enflaming tensions? I guess the second is basically the straw which broke the camel’s back thanks to the first. Horrific to see all the same.

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A night from the past in Belfast on 00:29 - Apr 8 with 851 viewswkj

A night from the past in Belfast on 00:24 - Apr 8 by pointofblue

Is it the Brexit agreement or is it the funeral of Bobby Storey which is enflaming tensions? I guess the second is basically the straw which broke the camel’s back thanks to the first. Horrific to see all the same.


I know there is a lot of tension surrounding the Northern Ireland protocol. There are already trade checkpoint workers who are feeling fear and intimidation (there was a video recently and ill be darned if I can't find it now).

Of course, Bobby Storey was viewed as the IRA head of intelligence, so his funeral was inevitably going to cause tension too.

What I am scared of for our Irish Friends, is if this turns into the start of a new age of unrest - one thing leads to another, and the NI Protocol is very real, raw and contentious.

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A night from the past in Belfast on 00:32 - Apr 8 with 850 viewsLord_Lucan

A night from the past in Belfast on 00:29 - Apr 8 by wkj

I know there is a lot of tension surrounding the Northern Ireland protocol. There are already trade checkpoint workers who are feeling fear and intimidation (there was a video recently and ill be darned if I can't find it now).

Of course, Bobby Storey was viewed as the IRA head of intelligence, so his funeral was inevitably going to cause tension too.

What I am scared of for our Irish Friends, is if this turns into the start of a new age of unrest - one thing leads to another, and the NI Protocol is very real, raw and contentious.


Mate.

It's 100% drug related

1/ Shipments from England are suffering because of new border controls / customs scrutiny.

2/ Police (for whatever reason) have recently come down heavy on UDA drug gangs and have arrested at least two very prominent members.

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A night from the past in Belfast on 00:35 - Apr 8 with 839 viewspointofblue

A night from the past in Belfast on 00:29 - Apr 8 by wkj

I know there is a lot of tension surrounding the Northern Ireland protocol. There are already trade checkpoint workers who are feeling fear and intimidation (there was a video recently and ill be darned if I can't find it now).

Of course, Bobby Storey was viewed as the IRA head of intelligence, so his funeral was inevitably going to cause tension too.

What I am scared of for our Irish Friends, is if this turns into the start of a new age of unrest - one thing leads to another, and the NI Protocol is very real, raw and contentious.


I think the head of the PSNI will be forced to stand down and they’ll hope that will result in some subsidence in tension. As soon as Brexit won the vote Northern Ireland was always going to be a pressure cooker due to the land border with the EU; maybe it needs to be revisited but it took a long time for the current protocol to be agreed.

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A night from the past in Belfast on 00:35 - Apr 8 with 841 viewswkj

A night from the past in Belfast on 00:32 - Apr 8 by Lord_Lucan

Mate.

It's 100% drug related

1/ Shipments from England are suffering because of new border controls / customs scrutiny.

2/ Police (for whatever reason) have recently come down heavy on UDA drug gangs and have arrested at least two very prominent members.


I take your point, and it is a good point well made.

Whatever the reasons truly are, there are many different ways which unrest could swing the blame game. No one who was alive in the darker days of the UK and Ireland want to see us return to those times, though my gut feeling is this is the first snowball in what could become an avalanche - there is no room for political error right now.

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A night from the past in Belfast on 00:40 - Apr 8 with 826 viewswkj

A night from the past in Belfast on 00:35 - Apr 8 by pointofblue

I think the head of the PSNI will be forced to stand down and they’ll hope that will result in some subsidence in tension. As soon as Brexit won the vote Northern Ireland was always going to be a pressure cooker due to the land border with the EU; maybe it needs to be revisited but it took a long time for the current protocol to be agreed.


Indeed. This isn't designed to be an anti brexit post, as we've had our fill of those and this is the wrong topic to start point scoring our brexit standpoints on. However, the NI Protocol is very much something that needed a lot more time and focus on. I really do not like what I see from it, and there feels to be many gaps that could put the UK right in the middle of an Ireland and EU dilemma.

Sadly, love them or hate them, our government has a LOT of sleepless nights ahead.

This always felt like it would be a no win situation for the UK upon voting to leave - I sincerely hope I am wrong.

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A night from the past in Belfast on 00:44 - Apr 8 with 827 viewsLord_Lucan

A night from the past in Belfast on 00:35 - Apr 8 by wkj

I take your point, and it is a good point well made.

Whatever the reasons truly are, there are many different ways which unrest could swing the blame game. No one who was alive in the darker days of the UK and Ireland want to see us return to those times, though my gut feeling is this is the first snowball in what could become an avalanche - there is no room for political error right now.


I was talking about this today with a colleague in Portadown, he is a little bit connected - but not in a paramilitary way - but he is a man you always want on your side.

I thought it was more down to shipment problems but he advises it's because of the crackdown on UDA drug gangs.

Whatever happens politically there will be one side going nuts and using it as an excuse. If we gave NI to Dublin there would be war and if we put checkpoints up everywhere there would be war.

IMHO we have to rely on the youngsters. If we could have gone another generation we might have got past the line.

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A night from the past in Belfast on 00:48 - Apr 8 with 820 viewswkj

A night from the past in Belfast on 00:44 - Apr 8 by Lord_Lucan

I was talking about this today with a colleague in Portadown, he is a little bit connected - but not in a paramilitary way - but he is a man you always want on your side.

I thought it was more down to shipment problems but he advises it's because of the crackdown on UDA drug gangs.

Whatever happens politically there will be one side going nuts and using it as an excuse. If we gave NI to Dublin there would be war and if we put checkpoints up everywhere there would be war.

IMHO we have to rely on the youngsters. If we could have gone another generation we might have got past the line.


I was of the same mind. Though the sad thing is, a lot of the people chucking petrol bombs in the video of the article I linked, were young, agitated folk - possibly wound up by life, but it does feel this generation might be as invested sadly.

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A night from the past in Belfast on 00:58 - Apr 8 with 811 viewsLord_Lucan

A night from the past in Belfast on 00:48 - Apr 8 by wkj

I was of the same mind. Though the sad thing is, a lot of the people chucking petrol bombs in the video of the article I linked, were young, agitated folk - possibly wound up by life, but it does feel this generation might be as invested sadly.


Youngsters are always going to be involved with gangs and youngsters in NI will also be part of either the provo or UDA persuasion and get into all that. As long as there are drug gangs in Barking there will be drug gangs in Belfast and they will each cling on to other tribal issues.

What I am getting at I suppose is that if I go to Belfast now it is completely different to 25 years ago. I turned 30 when I was in Belfast and Eubank was fighting Collins, I watched in a pub. Crazy days man! I swear to God I cannot explain - and that was in 1995 when things were relatively peaceful by then.

Because of this - I genuinely don't seeing it getting back to what it was back in the day. All we are seeing are riots, we see them in England frequently. We aren't seeing mass bombings in pubs and shopping centres.

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A night from the past in Belfast on 01:36 - Apr 8 with 787 viewsKievthegreat

A night from the past in Belfast on 00:58 - Apr 8 by Lord_Lucan

Youngsters are always going to be involved with gangs and youngsters in NI will also be part of either the provo or UDA persuasion and get into all that. As long as there are drug gangs in Barking there will be drug gangs in Belfast and they will each cling on to other tribal issues.

What I am getting at I suppose is that if I go to Belfast now it is completely different to 25 years ago. I turned 30 when I was in Belfast and Eubank was fighting Collins, I watched in a pub. Crazy days man! I swear to God I cannot explain - and that was in 1995 when things were relatively peaceful by then.

Because of this - I genuinely don't seeing it getting back to what it was back in the day. All we are seeing are riots, we see them in England frequently. We aren't seeing mass bombings in pubs and shopping centres.


It was a real eye opener when I went over there. The centre of Belfast is really nice and up and coming, unless you left the city centre that is. We won a free open top bus tour and we were stuck with not much planned before or flight so we just hopped on and when it goes out into the different Catholic and Protestant areas, all the mural you see on TV, the "peace Walls". An almost surreal experience given how much it jarred with the City Centre's redevelopment, the whole waterfront area, and the general friendliness of people there.

Although that's as a tourist, I dare say living there is a more interesting perspective.
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A night from the past in Belfast on 07:28 - Apr 8 with 644 viewsGaryCooper

A night from the past in Belfast on 00:32 - Apr 8 by Lord_Lucan

Mate.

It's 100% drug related

1/ Shipments from England are suffering because of new border controls / customs scrutiny.

2/ Police (for whatever reason) have recently come down heavy on UDA drug gangs and have arrested at least two very prominent members.


I lived in NI for six years, still speak to friends over there on a regular basis, you are dead right about drugs related, supplies have been interrupted and the youth are rioting and being paid to riot.
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A night from the past in Belfast on 16:14 - Apr 8 with 475 viewsmonytowbray

A night from the past in Belfast on 07:28 - Apr 8 by GaryCooper

I lived in NI for six years, still speak to friends over there on a regular basis, you are dead right about drugs related, supplies have been interrupted and the youth are rioting and being paid to riot.


Is there evidence of this? Sounds a bit conspiracy theory at face value.

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A night from the past in Belfast on 16:38 - Apr 8 with 462 viewsvictorywilhappen

A night from the past in Belfast on 00:32 - Apr 8 by Lord_Lucan

Mate.

It's 100% drug related

1/ Shipments from England are suffering because of new border controls / customs scrutiny.

2/ Police (for whatever reason) have recently come down heavy on UDA drug gangs and have arrested at least two very prominent members.


As it was back in the day.
The two gangs controlled everything- sex, drug, guns, permits, contracts....
Generally kept their own side in order and said who could and couldn't sell and supply/control streets and patches.

Squaddies doing security for gangsters...

I think there is still a lot of swinging the lamp and the youngun's trying to live the stories from the past that the old boys of legend whisper

I'm sure politics, religion, wine, woman and other things come into the mix...in the end everyone forgets what the fight is about and just enjoys it until its no fun anymore and a truce is agreed or it rains..


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A night from the past in Belfast on 16:45 - Apr 8 with 451 viewsGlasgowBlue

A night from the past in Belfast on 00:32 - Apr 8 by Lord_Lucan

Mate.

It's 100% drug related

1/ Shipments from England are suffering because of new border controls / customs scrutiny.

2/ Police (for whatever reason) have recently come down heavy on UDA drug gangs and have arrested at least two very prominent members.


And had MP's voted for May's deal to keep us in a customs union then we'd have still had Brexit and a frictionless drugs trade.

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A night from the past in Belfast on 17:45 - Apr 8 with 415 viewsSteve_M

A night from the past in Belfast on 16:45 - Apr 8 by GlasgowBlue

And had MP's voted for May's deal to keep us in a customs union then we'd have still had Brexit and a frictionless drugs trade.


The DUP choose to vote against it didn't they?

And it was still predicated on some kind of magical interface with Ireland by ignoring the single market. The customs union would have helped though so it would have been better than Johnson's disingenuousness on the sea border.

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A night from the past in Belfast on 17:48 - Apr 8 with 408 viewsGlasgowBlue

A night from the past in Belfast on 17:45 - Apr 8 by Steve_M

The DUP choose to vote against it didn't they?

And it was still predicated on some kind of magical interface with Ireland by ignoring the single market. The customs union would have helped though so it would have been better than Johnson's disingenuousness on the sea border.


They did vote against it.

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A night from the past in Belfast on 18:45 - Apr 8 with 338 viewsmonytowbray

A night from the past in Belfast on 16:45 - Apr 8 by GlasgowBlue

And had MP's voted for May's deal to keep us in a customs union then we'd have still had Brexit and a frictionless drugs trade.


I suppose that's one way to wash your hands of your own responsibility in enabling racists and committing economic suicide by being the board's amplifier for Andrew Neil's C+Ped opinion.

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A night from the past in Belfast on 18:58 - Apr 8 with 319 viewsWicklowBlue

A night from the past in Belfast on 18:45 - Apr 8 by monytowbray

I suppose that's one way to wash your hands of your own responsibility in enabling racists and committing economic suicide by being the board's amplifier for Andrew Neil's C+Ped opinion.


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A night from the past in Belfast on 18:59 - Apr 8 with 317 viewsjaykay

A night from the past in Belfast on 00:24 - Apr 8 by pointofblue

Is it the Brexit agreement or is it the funeral of Bobby Storey which is enflaming tensions? I guess the second is basically the straw which broke the camel’s back thanks to the first. Horrific to see all the same.


wasnt bobby storey funeral nearly a year ago. they just using it as a excuse now

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A night from the past in Belfast on 19:11 - Apr 8 with 298 viewsTimefliesbyintheblue

A night from the past in Belfast on 00:44 - Apr 8 by Lord_Lucan

I was talking about this today with a colleague in Portadown, he is a little bit connected - but not in a paramilitary way - but he is a man you always want on your side.

I thought it was more down to shipment problems but he advises it's because of the crackdown on UDA drug gangs.

Whatever happens politically there will be one side going nuts and using it as an excuse. If we gave NI to Dublin there would be war and if we put checkpoints up everywhere there would be war.

IMHO we have to rely on the youngsters. If we could have gone another generation we might have got past the line.


Lord Lucan - Your post and especially the last paragraph concerning the youngsters and another generation is so so true. Without any extra turmoil, angst, excuse, encouragement, these young people have been through so much.
I said in another post on another thread, that we all owe a debt of gratitude to all young people who have assisted in getting us older folk through this pandemic, wherever they may be in the UK., and especially so in Northern Ireland.
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A night from the past in Belfast on 19:12 - Apr 8 with 296 viewsWicklowBlue

A night from the past in Belfast on 18:59 - Apr 8 by jaykay

wasnt bobby storey funeral nearly a year ago. they just using it as a excuse now


One issue is that none of the Republican attendees at the funeral are going to be prosecuted. Along with NIP are the public "excuses" for the current unrest.
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A night from the past in Belfast on 20:07 - Apr 8 with 250 viewsZXBlue

A night from the past in Belfast on 19:12 - Apr 8 by WicklowBlue

One issue is that none of the Republican attendees at the funeral are going to be prosecuted. Along with NIP are the public "excuses" for the current unrest.


I have no doubt that drugs and gangs are part of it.

But the protocol and the GFA were all abotu a compromise. Frictionless trade and border between North and South to please the republicans, and maintaining the same with GB for the unionists. Lots more to it of course.

The point is, that a border on the island of ireland was rightly noted to be something in flagrant breach of the agreemnt, and guaranteed to infuriate republicans. For unionists, virtually the same can be said of a border between GB and NI but that does not appear to have been given anything liek as much weight or consideration.
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A night from the past in Belfast on 20:20 - Apr 8 with 223 viewsLord_Lucan

A night from the past in Belfast on 20:07 - Apr 8 by ZXBlue

I have no doubt that drugs and gangs are part of it.

But the protocol and the GFA were all abotu a compromise. Frictionless trade and border between North and South to please the republicans, and maintaining the same with GB for the unionists. Lots more to it of course.

The point is, that a border on the island of ireland was rightly noted to be something in flagrant breach of the agreemnt, and guaranteed to infuriate republicans. For unionists, virtually the same can be said of a border between GB and NI but that does not appear to have been given anything liek as much weight or consideration.


The rioters have as much interest in the GFA, frictionless trade and a border in the Irish Sea as Ken Dodd had in paying his tax.

It is all about the Irish mafia.

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A night from the past in Belfast on 20:27 - Apr 8 with 213 viewsfooters

A night from the past in Belfast on 20:20 - Apr 8 by Lord_Lucan

The rioters have as much interest in the GFA, frictionless trade and a border in the Irish Sea as Ken Dodd had in paying his tax.

It is all about the Irish mafia.


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A night from the past in Belfast on 08:07 - Apr 9 with 111 viewsSwansea_Blue

A night from the past in Belfast on 00:24 - Apr 8 by pointofblue

Is it the Brexit agreement or is it the funeral of Bobby Storey which is enflaming tensions? I guess the second is basically the straw which broke the camel’s back thanks to the first. Horrific to see all the same.


Brexit (specifically Boris selling N. Ireland down the river) has provided the underpinning legal conditions that others can use to inflame things by the looks of it. So it seems to be a bit of both; Brexit is part of the backdrop, although you also have to wonder whether they'd have found another way irrespective of Brexit as it seems a very fragile peace. DUP stirring the sh*t as usual too. Such a shame.

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