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I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT 19:27 - Apr 13 with 5936 viewsThe_Realist_09

Starting to feel a little sorry for him in a sense that he came in, ruffled a few feathers, demanded more from some of this sorry lot and they didn't like it.

Easy ride for far too long playing for a nice family club. I fully believe PC will get us up if we stick with him / he sticks with us, but a huge job on his hand. We have no fullbacks on the field tonight, Stephen Ward is stealing a living at this point, can't remember the last time he stopped a cross.
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I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 00:22 - Apr 14 with 1498 viewsVaughan8

I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 23:22 - Apr 13 by positivity

if you look at today's team, the only ones to emerge with any credit were hurst buys (edwards/toto) or youth products (downes), just a shame he was an appalling man manager...


Look at goals 2 and 3 and you tell me Nsiala has come out the game with any credit.....

Lets face it, they are all not very good. If Nsiala is playing most games, what does that tell you? Would he get in any other top 10 teams defence? I doubt it.
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I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 00:22 - Apr 14 with 1497 viewspatrickswell

I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 23:48 - Apr 13 by Churchman

Four if you include Jewell and nut job Keane. And Duncan was truly clueless. Says it all really


They'd have killed for his win percentage though.
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I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 01:32 - Apr 14 with 1466 viewshaynes_toe1

I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 19:57 - Apr 13 by chrismakin

Slight difference of course being Hurst signed some players, had a whole pre season, then 3 months of the season

Cooks had............


Cooks had.....an awfully poor start to management here at itfc.
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I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 08:37 - Apr 14 with 1393 viewspositivity

I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 00:22 - Apr 14 by Vaughan8

Look at goals 2 and 3 and you tell me Nsiala has come out the game with any credit.....

Lets face it, they are all not very good. If Nsiala is playing most games, what does that tell you? Would he get in any other top 10 teams defence? I doubt it.


we are (or were before the game!) a top 5 defence, nsiala's played most games.

if you look at points per game toto is much higher than our average (though wilson is even higher)

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I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 08:47 - Apr 14 with 1382 viewsVaughan8

I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 08:37 - Apr 14 by positivity

we are (or were before the game!) a top 5 defence, nsiala's played most games.

if you look at points per game toto is much higher than our average (though wilson is even higher)


The defence is only "good" with Wilson in it (some people might not like to believe it). Look at the clean sheets Nsiala has with WIlson, and then with any other pairing!

EDIT: Actually the last 0-0's he's been with someone else, so I give him credit there.

But lets be honest, he's a liability. The goals yesteray just prove that. His positioning is terrible.
The fact he has played "most" games, just proves the level we are. He wouldn't get in another top 10 team I don't think.
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I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 10:30 - Apr 14 with 1343 viewspositivity

I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 08:47 - Apr 14 by Vaughan8

The defence is only "good" with Wilson in it (some people might not like to believe it). Look at the clean sheets Nsiala has with WIlson, and then with any other pairing!

EDIT: Actually the last 0-0's he's been with someone else, so I give him credit there.

But lets be honest, he's a liability. The goals yesteray just prove that. His positioning is terrible.
The fact he has played "most" games, just proves the level we are. He wouldn't get in another top 10 team I don't think.
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he's clearly our best pure defender, the number of vital blocks he gets in shows his positioning isn't as bad as that. he's light years ahead of the hapless mcguinness in this regard

what he's not is an organiser, so he's better with an organiser alongside him, which the better teams generally have.

he's also not a quarterback-style move starter, but i don't think cook's looking at playing that way, so not an issue here.

cook knows him well, and i'm guessing he's one of the few players in the squad that he actually trusts

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I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 10:38 - Apr 14 with 1339 viewsDarth_Koont

Actually, I think Hurst took for granted what MM and TC had done with a youngish, sustainable squad to keep it competitive and increase its value.

He took that value and splurged it on his version of a team rather than building on what was a solid platform.

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I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 12:22 - Apr 14 with 1313 viewsRadlett_blue

I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 08:47 - Apr 14 by Vaughan8

The defence is only "good" with Wilson in it (some people might not like to believe it). Look at the clean sheets Nsiala has with WIlson, and then with any other pairing!

EDIT: Actually the last 0-0's he's been with someone else, so I give him credit there.

But lets be honest, he's a liability. The goals yesteray just prove that. His positioning is terrible.
The fact he has played "most" games, just proves the level we are. He wouldn't get in another top 10 team I don't think.
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Nsiala was pretty much ever present in the Shewsbury team which finished 3rd in this league in 2017-18.
Some of us agonise too much over individual players. Toto is a decent stopper CH in this league. He probably needs the right partner - yes, we've done better with him partnered by Wilson, but at 32 I don't think Wilson's the future (but a better short term squad option than Chambers).

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I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 12:26 - Apr 14 with 1306 viewsEly_Blue

I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 19:30 - Apr 13 by BlueBadger

None of these players bar Chambers were here before Hurst. This is his and Lambert's legacy.

Still, good try at 'its Micks fault'.
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Really?

Did mick not give Downes, Dozzell & Bishop plenty of game time?

Did he not sign Skuse and also have Kenlock too?

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I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 12:29 - Apr 14 with 1299 viewsJammyDodgerrr

Not quite sure how we've ended up at the point feeling sorry for the worst manager in our entire history. Do not let recency bias cloud how poisonous that appointment has been for us.

You only have to look how he's fared since he's left here to see how much of a disaster he has been. We are in a bad place and it stems all from that and the further decline continued by Lambert, but we were relegated before he even got here.

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I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 13:47 - Apr 14 with 1266 viewsRadlett_blue

I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 12:29 - Apr 14 by JammyDodgerrr

Not quite sure how we've ended up at the point feeling sorry for the worst manager in our entire history. Do not let recency bias cloud how poisonous that appointment has been for us.

You only have to look how he's fared since he's left here to see how much of a disaster he has been. We are in a bad place and it stems all from that and the further decline continued by Lambert, but we were relegated before he even got here.


I'm not defending Hurst - he was a dreadful manager for Town. He certainly hasn't pulled up any trees back in his comfort zone of the Humberside lower league teams.
However, I think the fact that the senior players openly rebelled against him does say something about a culture of comfort & accepting mediocrity within the club. Town have been awful for 3 seasons now. That covers 3 managers & it isn't just Lambert's fault, although he clearly failed to break the mould.

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I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 13:49 - Apr 14 with 1260 viewschrismakin

I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 13:47 - Apr 14 by Radlett_blue

I'm not defending Hurst - he was a dreadful manager for Town. He certainly hasn't pulled up any trees back in his comfort zone of the Humberside lower league teams.
However, I think the fact that the senior players openly rebelled against him does say something about a culture of comfort & accepting mediocrity within the club. Town have been awful for 3 seasons now. That covers 3 managers & it isn't just Lambert's fault, although he clearly failed to break the mould.


The one thing I still dont like and one of the reasons I think chambers needs to go is the players meeting Chambers and Skuse held behind the managers back

Undermining a new manager.. not exactly a great example to set by a captain imo

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I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 13:50 - Apr 14 with 1254 viewswkj

Before we get to carried away thinking about what Hurst may have done right as a football manager, let's take time to appreciate how good a manager he really is...

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I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 14:56 - Apr 14 with 1226 viewspositivity

I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 13:50 - Apr 14 by wkj

Before we get to carried away thinking about what Hurst may have done right as a football manager, let's take time to appreciate how good a manager he really is...

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hurst was a terrible man manager at us, but how many of our ex managers have been a success?

grimsby's current form is still a point better than proper mick's and keane, lambert & jewell never got another managerial job

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I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 15:54 - Apr 14 with 1200 viewshype313

I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 19:30 - Apr 13 by BlueBadger

None of these players bar Chambers were here before Hurst. This is his and Lambert's legacy.

Still, good try at 'its Micks fault'.
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Eh?

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I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 15:57 - Apr 14 with 1204 viewstextbackup

Won’t be long before some of these lot start drip feeding a few locals they’ve befriended with stories of how bad PC is, then these stories make the way on here.

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I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 15:59 - Apr 14 with 1199 viewsitfcjoe

I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 15:57 - Apr 14 by textbackup

Won’t be long before some of these lot start drip feeding a few locals they’ve befriended with stories of how bad PC is, then these stories make the way on here.


I don't think there is enough fight left in them to do even that

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I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 16:01 - Apr 14 with 1192 viewsEwan_Oozami

I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 15:57 - Apr 14 by textbackup

Won’t be long before some of these lot start drip feeding a few locals they’ve befriended with stories of how bad PC is, then these stories make the way on here.


If so, then those stories might not be received in quite the way they think they will.....

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I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 16:02 - Apr 14 with 1191 viewstextbackup

I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 15:59 - Apr 14 by itfcjoe

I don't think there is enough fight left in them to do even that


😂😂

I was thinking earlier, when they are at training or in the changing rooms, what do they talk about?

I just don’t picture any of them striking up a conversation or interacting with one another.

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I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 16:06 - Apr 14 with 1180 viewsitfcjoe

I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 16:02 - Apr 14 by textbackup

😂😂

I was thinking earlier, when they are at training or in the changing rooms, what do they talk about?

I just don’t picture any of them striking up a conversation or interacting with one another.


I think that has been part of the issue this year, no changing room banter - having to just turn up in car in your kit, straight home after, no banter etc.

Living in sleepy Suffolk they must be bored out of their minds, especially those without a family

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I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 16:09 - Apr 14 with 1173 viewstextbackup

I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 16:06 - Apr 14 by itfcjoe

I think that has been part of the issue this year, no changing room banter - having to just turn up in car in your kit, straight home after, no banter etc.

Living in sleepy Suffolk they must be bored out of their minds, especially those without a family


But wouldn’t that be the same anywhere? As the whole country has been shut down.

If anything living in the countryside, near to the coast, atleast there’s an opportunity to walk around some decent places

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I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 16:19 - Apr 14 with 1154 viewsMullet

He demanded photos of them in their pants.

"Easy ride for far too long" - we'd just come out of the worst period in years for outright hostility towards the players. See what Douglas and Chamber said about the abuse he got affecting him.

This fantasy that somehow Hurst was done over coming back is bizarre. It clearly wasn't the case was it? We're seeing the cumulation of 13 years of off field neglect by Evans and the last two managers prior to Cook being allowed to damage us on it unchecked.

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I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 16:21 - Apr 14 with 1149 viewsabracaDOBRA_

I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 16:09 - Apr 14 by textbackup

But wouldn’t that be the same anywhere? As the whole country has been shut down.

If anything living in the countryside, near to the coast, atleast there’s an opportunity to walk around some decent places


Thats just an easy excuse for them to use though isn't it? Norwich, Peterborough, Cambridge to name a few all doing well under the conditions we are under.

They're just a bunch of wasters lets be honest here. No character about them at all
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I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 16:25 - Apr 14 with 1134 viewstextbackup

I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 16:21 - Apr 14 by abracaDOBRA_

Thats just an easy excuse for them to use though isn't it? Norwich, Peterborough, Cambridge to name a few all doing well under the conditions we are under.

They're just a bunch of wasters lets be honest here. No character about them at all


And it’s exactly that, excuses.

We’ve all had a sht year covid/lockdown wise. But not once have I sat there and moaned about it, kept busy around the house, with kids, making sure others are ok etc.

And add to it they could still exercise, the one things so many people craved!

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I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 17:02 - Apr 14 with 1104 viewstractorboy1978

I will never forgive Hurst for some of his transfer business...BUT on 16:06 - Apr 14 by itfcjoe

I think that has been part of the issue this year, no changing room banter - having to just turn up in car in your kit, straight home after, no banter etc.

Living in sleepy Suffolk they must be bored out of their minds, especially those without a family


You'd think in that case they would focus on their football then and put the extra work in to try and improve personally. 'Can't wait to get off the training ground' is the message I hear.
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