| Paul Cook Criticism 20:29 - Apr 13 with 4080 views | waveneyblue |
I find it unbelievable the crap spouted on here about Cook. He has inherited the most mentally weak set of players we've ever had. He has next to no time on the training pitch. This is not his squad.
People stating how wonderful the Cowleys have done at Pompey, yes they've done well but Portsmouth weren't 20% of the mess we were.
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| Paul Cook Criticism on 21:16 - Apr 13 with 1134 views | Geomorph |
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| Paul Cook Criticism on 21:21 - Apr 13 with 1123 views | Trequartista |
| Paul Cook Criticism on 21:11 - Apr 13 by Churchman |
It’s a low bar with players lower than the bar. 3 years tells you what these players, their attitude and ability are capable of. Yes it’s all Cooks fault. Booooo! Show him the door. Get a real manager in who can get the best squad in the league tearing it up.
On the other hand, think about it. Think about what this lot are, whose managed them and what they’ve done for this club. Cook has come in with nothing. And he’s achieved nothing. Big surprise. None of the very many people who want Cook gone, bar saying ‘no free pass’ have said what they think he could have done to improve this apology of a ‘team’. |
Well if anyone has said its all Cook's fault then that would be ridiculous criticism, but i haven't seen that.
As i've just said i would like him in position for next season even if we lose the next six, so i certainly accept that a manager is not a magician that cannot get results from a set of players that are not good enough, and he must have a transfer window to get his own players.
All i have said is that he has not even maintained the results the team were getting before he arrived, for which he deserves criticism, but deserves no threat to his job., |  |
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| Paul Cook Criticism on 21:27 - Apr 13 with 1104 views | Trequartista |
| Paul Cook Criticism on 21:12 - Apr 13 by Guthrum |
Cook hasn't had the benefit of two flying starts to seasons, which rather skew Lambert's stats. 50% of the latter's League wins came in the opening ten matches of a season, but just 9% of losses. |
Of what significance is when the points are accrued? I'm taking entire seasons (before curtailment or managerial departure) for comparison. I don't see how discounting certain parts of the season makes that comparison more accurate. | |
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| Paul Cook Criticism on 21:27 - Apr 13 with 1105 views | Guthrum |
| Paul Cook Criticism on 21:13 - Apr 13 by TractorWood |
You can't cherry pick which Lambert fixtures you want to include in his record as manager. |
I'm merely pointing out that Lambert ITFC teams start the season well and finish badly. Cook has so far only had the back end of a season with someone else's squad (who have seemingly given up). Not an entirely fair comparison.
For that matter, McCarthy teams would often falter after New Year. Perhaps it says something about the club's fitness regime? |  |
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| Paul Cook Criticism on 21:32 - Apr 13 with 1088 views | lazyblue |
| Paul Cook Criticism on 21:02 - Apr 13 by TractorCam |
The players are not up to it. Look at that MK Dons match where Drinan had a free shot at goal and instead turned backwards, the Sears lob which went miles wide etc. It's not perfect but they have had opportunities, they just suck/ have no confidence. |
You can add Norwood header to that tonight, should never miss the target with that opportunity. |  | | |
| Paul Cook Criticism on 21:43 - Apr 13 with 1077 views | Guthrum |
| Paul Cook Criticism on 21:27 - Apr 13 by Trequartista |
Of what significance is when the points are accrued? I'm taking entire seasons (before curtailment or managerial departure) for comparison. I don't see how discounting certain parts of the season makes that comparison more accurate. |
Cook hasn't had an entire season.
It can make a big difference. Just after pre-season, players at their fittest and freshest (or best motivated, whatever), perhaps getting a jump on slower-starting teams, compared with the back end of a faltering season when half the squad appear to have switched off and are perhaps considering which club they might be going to next.
At least we haven't lost seven games out of nine, like this time last season.
Edit: I'm also making more of a statistical point than hugely disagreeing with your sentiment. I was hoping Cook would have made more of an impact than he has. Even scraping into the playoffs would have been a beneficial experience. But I think the players (or, at least, some of them) have just switched off. [Post edited 13 Apr 2021 21:47]
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| Paul Cook Criticism on 22:00 - Apr 13 with 1059 views | Trequartista |
| Paul Cook Criticism on 21:43 - Apr 13 by Guthrum |
Cook hasn't had an entire season.
It can make a big difference. Just after pre-season, players at their fittest and freshest (or best motivated, whatever), perhaps getting a jump on slower-starting teams, compared with the back end of a faltering season when half the squad appear to have switched off and are perhaps considering which club they might be going to next.
At least we haven't lost seven games out of nine, like this time last season.
Edit: I'm also making more of a statistical point than hugely disagreeing with your sentiment. I was hoping Cook would have made more of an impact than he has. Even scraping into the playoffs would have been a beneficial experience. But I think the players (or, at least, some of them) have just switched off. [Post edited 13 Apr 2021 21:47]
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There are points that could be made in the other direction. There was no opportunity for a new manager bounce effect for Lambert, and although we are still get some injuries, i think Cook has had far fewer to contend with, certainly long-term ones.
Amazingly - and I know you like a hypothetical league table - if Lambert was still here accruing the same points per game this season, we would now be 0.2 points off 5th place! (if my maths is correct)
But i'm going to stop there because it's turning into a defence of Lambert over Cook when my position is Lambert had to go and Cook was a universally approved choice that should be in place next season regardless of this season's results.
I just feel he is not beyond criticism and i think he would accept that himself. | |
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| Paul Cook Criticism on 22:17 - Apr 13 with 1036 views | Guthrum |
| Paul Cook Criticism on 22:00 - Apr 13 by Trequartista |
There are points that could be made in the other direction. There was no opportunity for a new manager bounce effect for Lambert, and although we are still get some injuries, i think Cook has had far fewer to contend with, certainly long-term ones.
Amazingly - and I know you like a hypothetical league table - if Lambert was still here accruing the same points per game this season, we would now be 0.2 points off 5th place! (if my maths is correct)
But i'm going to stop there because it's turning into a defence of Lambert over Cook when my position is Lambert had to go and Cook was a universally approved choice that should be in place next season regardless of this season's results.
I just feel he is not beyond criticism and i think he would accept that himself. |
Judging by that interview, I'm sure he would accept it. Doesn't seem to shirk blame.
As I said in my edit, I do agree with the sentiments in your last two paragraphs. | |
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| Paul Cook Criticism on 22:23 - Apr 13 with 1029 views | Churchman |
| Paul Cook Criticism on 21:13 - Apr 13 by TractorWood |
You can't cherry pick which Lambert fixtures you want to include in his record as manager. |
Yet there are people on here that choose to compare PLs more than two years of games and a number of transfer windows with Cook whose had about 10 games, no transfer windows, little training time, his predecessors’ players. Yeah that seems fair. Jeez
The fact is Lamberts ‘record’ left more than 40 professionals, most of them abject, non existent football, zero ability to score goals and people that hide the moment an opposition team puts in 100%. A team relegated without a fight, unable to win cup games, 11th in league one and outside the playoffs in the second season. That’s what Cook had to work with. Yeah let’s get rid and see what Pep does with them. I’m sure Norwood will turn into a goal machine with one wise word. [Post edited 13 Apr 2021 22:25]
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| Paul Cook Criticism on 22:24 - Apr 13 with 1018 views | theinbetweener |
100% agree.
I honestly can’t believe some of the absolute nonsense I’m reading about PC on here. It blows my mind. “Knew we should have gone for the Cowley’s”. What evidence suggests that they would have got any better reaction out of these players than Cook? My goodness even Sir Alex wouldn’t have been able to motivate this rotten squad of wasters. Wake up and get a grip, please. This isn’t Football Manager. |  | | |
| Paul Cook Criticism on 22:38 - Apr 13 with 997 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Paul Cook Criticism on 22:00 - Apr 13 by Trequartista |
There are points that could be made in the other direction. There was no opportunity for a new manager bounce effect for Lambert, and although we are still get some injuries, i think Cook has had far fewer to contend with, certainly long-term ones.
Amazingly - and I know you like a hypothetical league table - if Lambert was still here accruing the same points per game this season, we would now be 0.2 points off 5th place! (if my maths is correct)
But i'm going to stop there because it's turning into a defence of Lambert over Cook when my position is Lambert had to go and Cook was a universally approved choice that should be in place next season regardless of this season's results.
I just feel he is not beyond criticism and i think he would accept that himself. |
"There was no opportunity for a new manager bounce effect for Lambert."
Just trying to figure out this statement. |  |
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| Paul Cook Criticism on 22:41 - Apr 13 with 995 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
To think that some people think 10 games, towards the end of a season (so no ability to change the squad), is enough to judge a football manager is just baffling.
The impatience in football has been bad for years, but it appears to be getting even worse. | |
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| Paul Cook Criticism on 22:45 - Apr 13 with 983 views | Trequartista |
| Paul Cook Criticism on 22:38 - Apr 13 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"There was no opportunity for a new manager bounce effect for Lambert."
Just trying to figure out this statement. |
Comparing Lambert's record in this division prior to his departure with Cook's, so Lambert was not a new manager during this period. | |
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| Paul Cook Criticism on 22:59 - Apr 13 with 964 views | Churchman |
| Paul Cook Criticism on 22:45 - Apr 13 by Trequartista |
Comparing Lambert's record in this division prior to his departure with Cook's, so Lambert was not a new manager during this period. |
Lambert bounced us out of the Championship with a transfer window and without a whimper. He’s had 30 games this season including a pre-season and Christmas transfer windows, Cook has had 10 games.
We all hoped the team would suddenly roar into action with the new manager and front foot football, creating chances and taking teams to the cleaners, but that was just wishful thinking. The Gillingham game confirm nothing had changed.
If Cook has had the summer and the first half of next season, and they’re still toilet with zero progress, that’ll be the time to ask questions. Until then I suggest the toys are kept in the pram. | | | |
| Paul Cook Criticism on 23:19 - Apr 13 with 957 views | Trequartista |
| Paul Cook Criticism on 22:59 - Apr 13 by Churchman |
Lambert bounced us out of the Championship with a transfer window and without a whimper. He’s had 30 games this season including a pre-season and Christmas transfer windows, Cook has had 10 games.
We all hoped the team would suddenly roar into action with the new manager and front foot football, creating chances and taking teams to the cleaners, but that was just wishful thinking. The Gillingham game confirm nothing had changed.
If Cook has had the summer and the first half of next season, and they’re still toilet with zero progress, that’ll be the time to ask questions. Until then I suggest the toys are kept in the pram. |
Suddenly becoming a great team overnight would indeed be wishful thinking. Carrying on exactly as we were, winning some and losing some, i don't think was. | |
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| Paul Cook Criticism on 23:47 - Apr 13 with 942 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Paul Cook Criticism on 23:19 - Apr 13 by Trequartista |
Suddenly becoming a great team overnight would indeed be wishful thinking. Carrying on exactly as we were, winning some and losing some, i don't think was. |
But they aren't happy with Cook's demands that's the crux. |  | | |
| Listen - I rate and support Cook.... on 23:55 - Apr 13 with 925 views | unstableblue |
... and I understand that this squad and individual player underperformance goes back a long long way... people blame Hurst, and Lambert, quite rightly....
But we’ve been failing to turn up for matches consistently throughout Marcus’ tenure. No fight, no energy, no expansive and attacking play.
This is a deep set and ingrained issue, that is going to take time to root out and transform.
BUT, some of Cook’s selections and his inability to galvanise any player, the seeming complete lack of shape and system is alarming. Players look genuinely lost out there, no plan or patterns of play are apparent. YES, of course the players lack of urgency to grab a game is the root cause. But the team has regressed, not progressed in performance and that does need questioning. |  |
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| Listen - I rate and support Cook.... on 23:57 - Apr 13 with 922 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Listen - I rate and support Cook.... on 23:55 - Apr 13 by unstableblue |
... and I understand that this squad and individual player underperformance goes back a long long way... people blame Hurst, and Lambert, quite rightly....
But we’ve been failing to turn up for matches consistently throughout Marcus’ tenure. No fight, no energy, no expansive and attacking play.
This is a deep set and ingrained issue, that is going to take time to root out and transform.
BUT, some of Cook’s selections and his inability to galvanise any player, the seeming complete lack of shape and system is alarming. Players look genuinely lost out there, no plan or patterns of play are apparent. YES, of course the players lack of urgency to grab a game is the root cause. But the team has regressed, not progressed in performance and that does need questioning. |
That's their attitude and struggling with the manager's demands. Harder training sessions one of the examples. | | | |
| Paul Cook Criticism on 07:44 - Apr 14 with 858 views | TractorWood |
| Paul Cook Criticism on 21:16 - Apr 13 by Churchman |
Ok you want him gone. Who do you want to replace him? Do you want Lambert back? The logic of your argument suggests just that. |
I don't want him gone or Lambert back. I was just expecting a few signs that we were moving in the right direction. Saying you're underwhelmed when the evidence like results is underwhelming is pretty reasonable imo. [Post edited 14 Apr 2021 7:45]
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| Paul Cook Criticism on 07:56 - Apr 14 with 842 views | TractorWood |
| Paul Cook Criticism on 21:27 - Apr 13 by Guthrum |
I'm merely pointing out that Lambert ITFC teams start the season well and finish badly. Cook has so far only had the back end of a season with someone else's squad (who have seemingly given up). Not an entirely fair comparison.
For that matter, McCarthy teams would often falter after New Year. Perhaps it says something about the club's fitness regime? |
I think MM's players got to the new year and we're just knackered from working their socks off. Biesla has the same thing historically.
I think it's a results business. Managers do their due diligence and should take jobs with their eyes open, knowing results are critical wherever you go.
Cook has been meh so far. Disappointing that we have written off this season from 7th or whatever, halfway through the season because the intelligentsia concluded our squad was the dross the day Cook arrived. Doesn't quite stack up to me but probably why I'm not a member of the intelligentsia.
I did want Lambert to go but I didn't imagine a world where we got worse off the bat. The important thing imo is that Evans is gone. I think we can genuinely improve now but it will take 18 months or so to get rid of his legacy players. [Post edited 14 Apr 2021 8:12]
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| Paul Cook Criticism on 07:56 - Apr 14 with 842 views | tractorboy1978 |
From the bits and pieces you hear, he'd be pulling his hair out if he had any at some of the things he witnesses day to day on the training ground. His quote on Monday, "Saturday is only the stage performance of what we practise and rehearse on the training ground". He doesn't trust this set of players one iota. Moving away from 4-2-3-1 is unheard of him but he did it because they were so unable to take on board what he was trying to get them to do. And they look just as useless whatever way they are lined up.
I imagine a lot of them are already thinking about their next contract elsewhere now if they don't have one lined up already, it is naive to think they aren't. 7 of last nights starting 11 are out of contract and most if not all of them know they have no chance of being here next season. [Post edited 14 Apr 2021 8:16]
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| Paul Cook Criticism on 08:04 - Apr 14 with 827 views | haynes_toe1 |
I've not seen one person call for Paul Cook to be sacked.
What I have seen is people rightly criticise what has been an awful start so far, which Cook agrees with and has said he'd expected to do better himself.
It would be perfectly normal to be sceptical at this stage with the record he has so far. It reeks of Lambert getting us relegated without a vague sign of improving us or keeping us up and the same characters on this forum talking about "improved performances" "got our club back" "PL is a blue" "He just gets us" and all the other astounding nonsense posted at the time. | | | |
| Paul Cook Criticism on 08:06 - Apr 14 with 821 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Paul Cook Criticism on 23:19 - Apr 13 by Trequartista |
Suddenly becoming a great team overnight would indeed be wishful thinking. Carrying on exactly as we were, winning some and losing some, i don't think was. |
Come off it - check our form between 1 November and 31 January this season. 13 games, 14 points. And that's not an anomoly, we've been total dross for 3 years now, partially saved by two ridiculous starts to the past two seasons. We've been a bottom half L1 side for large parts of the past two seasons. To suggest that we've been anything different is a bit disingenuous. | | | |
| Listen - I rate and support Cook.... on 08:23 - Apr 14 with 794 views | itfcjoe |
| Listen - I rate and support Cook.... on 23:55 - Apr 13 by unstableblue |
... and I understand that this squad and individual player underperformance goes back a long long way... people blame Hurst, and Lambert, quite rightly....
But we’ve been failing to turn up for matches consistently throughout Marcus’ tenure. No fight, no energy, no expansive and attacking play.
This is a deep set and ingrained issue, that is going to take time to root out and transform.
BUT, some of Cook’s selections and his inability to galvanise any player, the seeming complete lack of shape and system is alarming. Players look genuinely lost out there, no plan or patterns of play are apparent. YES, of course the players lack of urgency to grab a game is the root cause. But the team has regressed, not progressed in performance and that does need questioning. |
If you were to list our 10 worse performances of the season, could easily see 6 or 7 of Cook's games in there - it's really strange, and to me concerning, just how much worse we have got, and are continuing to get.
People on this thread talking about Lambert's bounce in the Championship, or lack of it, we looked much better as soon as he came in, and that was with jordan Roberts up front - ultimately we lacked the quality for that league, but he made an instant impact to mood, style, and performances - Cook has done the opposite.
Cook will get, and should get, the summer*, but he is making a right pigs ear of this so far, and that will see him starting the season under pressure to hit the ground running next season, which when he is going to have made so many signings isn't going to be easy.
It would be much better for all concerned, if he can pick up 10-12 points in the last 6 games just to allow everyone to breathe a bit easier
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| Paul Cook Criticism on 08:31 - Apr 14 with 765 views | patrickswell |
I agree criticism of Cook is misplaced right now. I’m looking forward to seeing him start to build his own squad and he will be able to make some informed judgements based on the number of games played so far.
I think in fairness to the disappointed ones, we were caught on the hop by the combination of a manager with such an impressive track record taking the reins of a squad that had started to produce some impressive results just as the problem (Lambert) was being excised. The response since Cook’s arrival discredits the whole squad more than him. |  | | |
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