| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys 14:14 - Apr 19 with 5665 views | hype313 |
They know that they won't get kicked out of the Pl as the the house of cards will then fall for the other clubs, the billions in global £ for the Premier league will be withdrawn, and worse £100s of £m in non payment of tv rights, so another ITV Digital scenario.
The gloabl audience won't be interested in Burnley v Brighton, the big 6 know this and know that this could be the death knell for many clubs in a post pandemic world.
Utter scum, good to see supporters clubs doing this.
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| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 16:58 - Apr 19 with 2342 views | BlueBlueBluex2 |
| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 16:33 - Apr 19 by jayessess |
The world's a big place, there's space for people enjoy different colours, haircuts and even things from other countries. Can't begin to imagine why it would bother me? |
Perhaps when they don't rock up to PR when you have shuffled off and are content to watch Barca on their 4d glasses we can worry about it then. |  | | |
| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 17:07 - Apr 19 with 2329 views | Churchman |
| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 16:41 - Apr 19 by Guthrum |
I have a feeling the clubs involved have overreached themselves and were not expecting this strength of reaction. |
I think they knew the exact reaction. And they don’t care a jot. Why should they? They clearly have been planning this a long time, have the finance in place and know they can tell the Premier League/national football authorities exactly what’s what. The rest of the clubs have to accept and do as they are told.
Man City can operate 100 youth teams and take any young player they want. Chelsea can have 30 players on loan. Tottenham B can already play in the League Cup. Basically, from the top table these clubs do the telling, the rest of the clubs do the listening and relish the crumbs from the table. It’s as simple as that. Pundits and fans getting upset? Who cares. Money talks and that is literally the name of the game.
I’d love these clubs chucked out of the existing leagues and the players banned from national teams. The six teams should as Neville suggests, be relegated out of it. This sort of thing is possibly the only way for authorities to start getting control back. But I simply don’t think there’s a snowballs chance in hell of that happening, sadly. |  | | |
| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 17:31 - Apr 19 with 2299 views | Guthrum |
| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 16:43 - Apr 19 by ZXBlue |
I think the opposite. They knew full well, and have already tooled up the necessary legal applications to protect themselves. |
The fact they've upset everybody - fans, players, coaches, footballing authorities, even governments - means they may have bitten off more than they can chew. When full-blown legislation is in the offing, legal applications pale somewhat.
Have they all got the stomach for a big fight? Three of the clubs daren't come into the open even at this stage. |  |
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| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 17:37 - Apr 19 with 2283 views | giant_stow |
| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 17:31 - Apr 19 by Guthrum |
The fact they've upset everybody - fans, players, coaches, footballing authorities, even governments - means they may have bitten off more than they can chew. When full-blown legislation is in the offing, legal applications pale somewhat.
Have they all got the stomach for a big fight? Three of the clubs daren't come into the open even at this stage. |
Govt wise, ending this bollox ought to be a nice easy, free and populist win that everyone approves of. |  |
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| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 19:37 - Apr 19 with 2228 views | Guthrum |
| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 17:07 - Apr 19 by Churchman |
I think they knew the exact reaction. And they don’t care a jot. Why should they? They clearly have been planning this a long time, have the finance in place and know they can tell the Premier League/national football authorities exactly what’s what. The rest of the clubs have to accept and do as they are told.
Man City can operate 100 youth teams and take any young player they want. Chelsea can have 30 players on loan. Tottenham B can already play in the League Cup. Basically, from the top table these clubs do the telling, the rest of the clubs do the listening and relish the crumbs from the table. It’s as simple as that. Pundits and fans getting upset? Who cares. Money talks and that is literally the name of the game.
I’d love these clubs chucked out of the existing leagues and the players banned from national teams. The six teams should as Neville suggests, be relegated out of it. This sort of thing is possibly the only way for authorities to start getting control back. But I simply don’t think there’s a snowballs chance in hell of that happening, sadly. |
Their plan only holds water if enough people want to watch a glorified exhibition league to make it worth the TV companies bidding substantial amounts for the rights. | |
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| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 19:52 - Apr 19 with 2219 views | Coastalblue |
| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 19:37 - Apr 19 by Guthrum |
Their plan only holds water if enough people want to watch a glorified exhibition league to make it worth the TV companies bidding substantial amounts for the rights. |
Exactly this, they might do incredibly well for 2 or 3 years but how long is that going to last without the history and culture that makes football across Europe so appealing.
I think they believe in their own hype too much and it might be a shock in 5 years time if this were to go ahead when they start to realise that people actually are more interested in competitive and entertaining nation leagues.
The money thing always makes me wonder too, I realise they want guaranteed income for their business models, but it becomes like an arms race, whether they pull in £10M or £100M a year it's all going to disappear in player wages anyway. |  |
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| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 19:56 - Apr 19 with 2218 views | Radlett_blue |
| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 14:31 - Apr 19 by jayessess |
I'm not wholly convinced they're in as strong a position as they make out.
The finances of it only seem to work if all the participants are also allowed to continue participating in their domestic leagues. If they aren't then the whole thing falls apart.
The various footballing bodies are plenty rich enough to outlast the clubs involved and it won't take many founding clubs withdrawing to make the whole thing entirely unworkable. [Post edited 19 Apr 2021 14:34]
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It's a high stakes game of poker. The Premier League know that without the big 6, the next TV contract will be worth peanuts so the football gravy train - based on the popularity of the big clubs among TV viewers - will hit the buffers. They can't afford to throw them out. |  |
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| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 20:02 - Apr 19 with 2211 views | J2BLUE |
| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 19:56 - Apr 19 by Radlett_blue |
It's a high stakes game of poker. The Premier League know that without the big 6, the next TV contract will be worth peanuts so the football gravy train - based on the popularity of the big clubs among TV viewers - will hit the buffers. They can't afford to throw them out. |
It's going to go down anyway. Even if they stay.
Not to mention this is going to cause a massive wave of cancellations of Sky contracts. |  |
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| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 20:04 - Apr 19 with 2208 views | pointofblue |
| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 19:56 - Apr 19 by Radlett_blue |
It's a high stakes game of poker. The Premier League know that without the big 6, the next TV contract will be worth peanuts so the football gravy train - based on the popularity of the big clubs among TV viewers - will hit the buffers. They can't afford to throw them out. |
Though the Premier League will be worth less anyway - as Carragher said earlier it’ll be ranked akin to the Carabao Cup as players get rested for Atletico Madrid in midweek. Even if clubs are sitting nowhere in the ESL there will probably still be requirements that they play their strongest XI in it, to the detriment in other competitions. | |
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| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 20:14 - Apr 19 with 2191 views | stonojnr |
| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 15:48 - Apr 19 by Pinewoodblue |
It is a form of Blackmail. The rest of the EPL will agree to any changes the big six want to save their biggest source of revenue. The EFL will also give into them and agree to any demands concerning the cup competitions and possible even allowing them to have B teams in the EFL.
How the fanbases feel is of no consequence to them. |
Im not sure they really want any of that anymore, they are being guaranteed 3.5billion euros each to do this, can English football give them that kind of money ? no its not possible, so theyre off
if the EPL/EFL want to quietly acquiese to allow them to play reserve teams in their competitions so as to not collapse their domestic leagues/competitions and ruin their cash cows thats for them to decide, but these big 6 dont care anymore about that, its 3.5billion euros.so of course the fans arent important anymore, this is franchise football and about making money, not about the traditions of the game or history of the clubs or special relationship their fans have with them. | | | |
| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 20:16 - Apr 19 with 2188 views | J2BLUE |
| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 20:14 - Apr 19 by stonojnr |
Im not sure they really want any of that anymore, they are being guaranteed 3.5billion euros each to do this, can English football give them that kind of money ? no its not possible, so theyre off
if the EPL/EFL want to quietly acquiese to allow them to play reserve teams in their competitions so as to not collapse their domestic leagues/competitions and ruin their cash cows thats for them to decide, but these big 6 dont care anymore about that, its 3.5billion euros.so of course the fans arent important anymore, this is franchise football and about making money, not about the traditions of the game or history of the clubs or special relationship their fans have with them. |
Each? That's the total value isn't it?
Or is that over the entire commitment period? | |
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| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 20:20 - Apr 19 with 2171 views | istanblue |
| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 14:31 - Apr 19 by jayessess |
I'm not wholly convinced they're in as strong a position as they make out.
The finances of it only seem to work if all the participants are also allowed to continue participating in their domestic leagues. If they aren't then the whole thing falls apart.
The various footballing bodies are plenty rich enough to outlast the clubs involved and it won't take many founding clubs withdrawing to make the whole thing entirely unworkable. [Post edited 19 Apr 2021 14:34]
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The ESL is backed by an investment bank with over $3 trillion in assets (JP Morgan), I don't think an initial start-up cost is gonna hold them back. |  | | |
| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 20:32 - Apr 19 with 2151 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 14:19 - Apr 19 by WD19 |
Its just noise to mask the waiving through of the Champions League reforms........ |
Nearly...
It's a B I G balls-out bluff to make sure that the Champions League reforms that were passed today are amended in their favour.
Then everyone will say "Well done for negotiating, you have truly saved football." And nobody will care that the terms of the Champions League will be skewed in favour of bigger clubs from bigger nations. | | | |
| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 20:35 - Apr 19 with 2147 views | bluelagos |
| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 20:20 - Apr 19 by istanblue |
The ESL is backed by an investment bank with over $3 trillion in assets (JP Morgan), I don't think an initial start-up cost is gonna hold them back. |
The founding clubs are receiving around £250m up front just for being a founder member. They are not having to put anything up at all according to the news report I watched earlier.
Loan to ESL from JP Morgan and then TV deals and sponsorships to come in to cover £3bn+ paid out. (As reported) |  |
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| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 07:31 - Apr 20 with 2041 views | Chocorange |
| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 17:07 - Apr 19 by Churchman |
I think they knew the exact reaction. And they don’t care a jot. Why should they? They clearly have been planning this a long time, have the finance in place and know they can tell the Premier League/national football authorities exactly what’s what. The rest of the clubs have to accept and do as they are told.
Man City can operate 100 youth teams and take any young player they want. Chelsea can have 30 players on loan. Tottenham B can already play in the League Cup. Basically, from the top table these clubs do the telling, the rest of the clubs do the listening and relish the crumbs from the table. It’s as simple as that. Pundits and fans getting upset? Who cares. Money talks and that is literally the name of the game.
I’d love these clubs chucked out of the existing leagues and the players banned from national teams. The six teams should as Neville suggests, be relegated out of it. This sort of thing is possibly the only way for authorities to start getting control back. But I simply don’t think there’s a snowballs chance in hell of that happening, sadly. |
Agree , throw them out. If they ever want to return they start from the bottom of non league.
Government to stop visas.
Fans boycott the ESL.
ESL Players don’t represent their countries or play in World Cups.
There will be no real away fans at ESL games , who can afford to to Spain one week and Italy the next ... no passion just corporate big wigs and tourist fans, that create an atmos like at Old Trafford.
Will mean the Prem league will lose cash , but most of that cash ends up in players and agents pockets anyway , so it will cause a reset , but if fans don’t watch the ESL then every chance it will die and the pre-K league and other national leagues will rise again.
Promote clubs to keep the numbers in divisions as of now , will create a more even competition ,with more possible winners... how many sides are just existing in the Prem right now , but would then have a chance of competing for trophies. More competitive league equals more viewers.
Too much power has gone to the big 6 , time to wave them goodbye or they come back into line and stop being driven by greed, they run the risk of having no local fans and being an empty shell of a club , with their only followers being those from thousands of miles away , many of which will switch allegiance and buy the shirt of the winning team every season.
It is a huge gamble for them , but if the Prem league allows them to continue with their plan , it is no gamble at all.
Kick them out. Make them think about the gamble they are taking at the very least! |  | | |
| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 09:39 - Apr 20 with 1955 views | Seablu |
| The big 6 have all of us by the short and curleys on 19:37 - Apr 19 by Guthrum |
Their plan only holds water if enough people want to watch a glorified exhibition league to make it worth the TV companies bidding substantial amounts for the rights. |
The Asian market will be huge.
A glorified computer-game exhibition with the best players is exactly what appeals to them. |  | | |
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