| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up 21:26 - Apr 20 with 1468 views | Coco |
the chance of promotion and game at Wembley? |  |
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| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 21:31 - Apr 20 with 1432 views | Garv |
Players don't down tools according to Paul Anderson. Sounds naive to me. |  |
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| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 21:33 - Apr 20 with 1404 views | Swansea_Blue |
I'm not convinced about this downing tools narrative that's become popular on here as an accepted fact. I didn't see tonight's match, but others recently have been very similar to the rest of the season. There has been plenty of huff and puff and running around, but not much direction and clear idea of what we're trying to do. I was highly critical of Lambert for not instilling a clear style, so it would be unfair not to say that the manager/coaching team share part of the blame still.
Obviously there are individual errors galore and we lack the quality to make the right decisions and execute them in many cases. But that's just a lack of skill, not necessarily effort. |  |
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| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 21:34 - Apr 20 with 1393 views | Kropotkin123 |
It's been well documented here in the past (eg Supple or Wellens) and elsewhere (eg Savage) that sometimes players and groups of players simply don't care. You and I may come up with rational reasons why they could or should, but unfortunately that doesn't change that they don't.
The simple reason they might not care is they believe they have more of a chance of being here in this division than if we got promoted. Or they believe they won't be here next season either way.
I recently joined a new company, and I'm relocating to Canada in the near future. It couldn't care less what the incentives are for me to perform well. I'm polite, cordial and not taking the Mick. But I'm certainly not busting a gut.
To most, this is a job and they are likely thinking of were they will be next season. [Post edited 20 Apr 2021 21:36]
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| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 21:43 - Apr 20 with 1333 views | davblue |
| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 21:33 - Apr 20 by Swansea_Blue |
I'm not convinced about this downing tools narrative that's become popular on here as an accepted fact. I didn't see tonight's match, but others recently have been very similar to the rest of the season. There has been plenty of huff and puff and running around, but not much direction and clear idea of what we're trying to do. I was highly critical of Lambert for not instilling a clear style, so it would be unfair not to say that the manager/coaching team share part of the blame still.
Obviously there are individual errors galore and we lack the quality to make the right decisions and execute them in many cases. But that's just a lack of skill, not necessarily effort. |
Yeah it’s not a total lack of effort. Could they do more yes but they are trying.
They just a totally shot to pieces confidence wise and it’s obvious there’s a really bad culture at the club.l that’s going to take some overhauling.
At least we don’t have Evans is charge this summer. |  | | |
| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 21:52 - Apr 20 with 1298 views | STYG |
| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 21:43 - Apr 20 by davblue |
Yeah it’s not a total lack of effort. Could they do more yes but they are trying.
They just a totally shot to pieces confidence wise and it’s obvious there’s a really bad culture at the club.l that’s going to take some overhauling.
At least we don’t have Evans is charge this summer. |
Are they trying? They are passing the ball. That's it.
Nothing that will get any of them hurt. Nobody is making a gut busting run. Nobody is crunching into a tackle. Nobody is diving in where it hurts to get on the end of a cross.
Every single one of them looks like they are worried they might be gone and they don't want to get injured and risk being without a club.
The evidence is there. They are capable of doing all the things that won't get them hurt and none of the bits that will. It's quite clear what they are doing. |  | | |
| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 22:00 - Apr 20 with 1255 views | Kropotkin123 |
| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 21:52 - Apr 20 by STYG |
Are they trying? They are passing the ball. That's it.
Nothing that will get any of them hurt. Nobody is making a gut busting run. Nobody is crunching into a tackle. Nobody is diving in where it hurts to get on the end of a cross.
Every single one of them looks like they are worried they might be gone and they don't want to get injured and risk being without a club.
The evidence is there. They are capable of doing all the things that won't get them hurt and none of the bits that will. It's quite clear what they are doing. |
I think the third paragraph is spot on, self preservation rather than bad people. | |
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| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 22:02 - Apr 20 with 1252 views | Bluedandy |
The notion of downing tools has become a ridiculous, childish cliche to justify total footballing incompetence.
You think if this Town team deigned to pick up a hammer and chisel we'd be in the Premier League?
Come off it ... these players lost tonight because collectively they are a hopeless technical outfit. | | | |
| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 22:07 - Apr 20 with 1223 views | STYG |
| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 22:00 - Apr 20 by Kropotkin123 |
I think the third paragraph is spot on, self preservation rather than bad people. |
The McGuiness to Dozzell pass summed it up. Have watched it several times.
The pass was a yard in front of Andre. He didn't know who was behind him, whether a challenge was coming, so he makes no effort to receive the ball. He just leaves it. That was apparent all night. Our players took the ball when they could see they were in space. Whenever they couldn't be sure, they were leaving it and then turning afterwards instead of just taking the ball like any normal player would.
Then when he realises nobody is there he doesn't go for the ball, chase it down. He just turns and jog.
Once you realise the players are just trying not to get injured for a new club everything makes sense. How they receive the ball, when they lay the ball off, when they stop dribbling, when they stop their runs. It all fits.
It's blindingly obvious. | | | |
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| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 22:14 - Apr 20 with 1192 views | davblue |
| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 21:52 - Apr 20 by STYG |
Are they trying? They are passing the ball. That's it.
Nothing that will get any of them hurt. Nobody is making a gut busting run. Nobody is crunching into a tackle. Nobody is diving in where it hurts to get on the end of a cross.
Every single one of them looks like they are worried they might be gone and they don't want to get injured and risk being without a club.
The evidence is there. They are capable of doing all the things that won't get them hurt and none of the bits that will. It's quite clear what they are doing. |
“Yeah it’s not a total lack of effort. Could they do more yes but they are trying.“ | | | |
| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 22:17 - Apr 20 with 1159 views | STYG |
| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 22:14 - Apr 20 by davblue |
“Yeah it’s not a total lack of effort. Could they do more yes but they are trying.“ |
They aren't trying.
They are giving the illusion that they are trying. Passing it. Running with it. Until any kind of physical contact could be imminent and they dump the ball off anywhere.
We look like a netball team. | | | |
| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 22:20 - Apr 20 with 1145 views | ArnieM |
What kind of players downs tools ? I’ll tell you . It’s this bunch of Tossas at this club right now .
They’re LOSERS individually and collectively.
It’s not just over 12 games - it’s been THREE YEARS!
This squad has failed under Three managers . So I’d ig it players of the managers ?
It’s THE PLAYERS ... they are LOSERS snd none of them have a future at ITFC .
I’d sack the f Viking lot of them TONIGHT ! |  |
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| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 08:16 - Apr 21 with 1031 views | Kropotkin123 |
| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 22:07 - Apr 20 by STYG |
The McGuiness to Dozzell pass summed it up. Have watched it several times.
The pass was a yard in front of Andre. He didn't know who was behind him, whether a challenge was coming, so he makes no effort to receive the ball. He just leaves it. That was apparent all night. Our players took the ball when they could see they were in space. Whenever they couldn't be sure, they were leaving it and then turning afterwards instead of just taking the ball like any normal player would.
Then when he realises nobody is there he doesn't go for the ball, chase it down. He just turns and jog.
Once you realise the players are just trying not to get injured for a new club everything makes sense. How they receive the ball, when they lay the ball off, when they stop dribbling, when they stop their runs. It all fits.
It's blindingly obvious. |
Yeah, and honestly, I don't blame them. They want to preserve their livelihoods, their future income. From my own self interest, I have different thought that I won't repeat in polite company. But from their perspective, it makes sense and I can't hold a grudge. | |
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| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 08:19 - Apr 21 with 1009 views | jayessess |
| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 08:16 - Apr 21 by Kropotkin123 |
Yeah, and honestly, I don't blame them. They want to preserve their livelihoods, their future income. From my own self interest, I have different thought that I won't repeat in polite company. But from their perspective, it makes sense and I can't hold a grudge. |
Who do you think it "preserving their livelihood" by playing like this? |  |
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| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 08:22 - Apr 21 with 996 views | Kropotkin123 |
| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 08:19 - Apr 21 by jayessess |
Who do you think it "preserving their livelihood" by playing like this? |
Pretty much every one of them to varying degrees.
Who do you not believe this is true for? | |
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| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 08:29 - Apr 21 with 968 views | Bobbychase |
| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 22:17 - Apr 20 by STYG |
They aren't trying.
They are giving the illusion that they are trying. Passing it. Running with it. Until any kind of physical contact could be imminent and they dump the ball off anywhere.
We look like a netball team. |
We play cowardly football. Watch the last five minutes from last night again.
We win a couple of corners, both of which are taken short and then knocked around the edge of the box or halfway inside the Northampton half.
We're 3-0 down, just fling the ball into the box
Hmmm, but it might not beat the first man and then I'll look bad. Best pass the back
Ok then you, who received the short corner, you cross it.
Hmmm, I could. But there's a man free on the edge of the box. I'll let him make the mistake.
RIGHT. You on the edge of the box, have a shot or play a one-two, do something, anything!
Hmmm, I could. But I've just spotted there is a man free on the left. He can have it and try and cross, then if it doesn't come off it's not my fault.
Rinse and repeat
Which is why
A) We have stopped scoring and
B) We are incredibly easy to hold a lead against |  |
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| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 08:43 - Apr 21 with 945 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 08:29 - Apr 21 by Bobbychase |
We play cowardly football. Watch the last five minutes from last night again.
We win a couple of corners, both of which are taken short and then knocked around the edge of the box or halfway inside the Northampton half.
We're 3-0 down, just fling the ball into the box
Hmmm, but it might not beat the first man and then I'll look bad. Best pass the back
Ok then you, who received the short corner, you cross it.
Hmmm, I could. But there's a man free on the edge of the box. I'll let him make the mistake.
RIGHT. You on the edge of the box, have a shot or play a one-two, do something, anything!
Hmmm, I could. But I've just spotted there is a man free on the left. He can have it and try and cross, then if it doesn't come off it's not my fault.
Rinse and repeat
Which is why
A) We have stopped scoring and
B) We are incredibly easy to hold a lead against |
Yes, this. Fear of failure, passing the buck. That's what accounts for the lack of shots on target for months (well, actually, years) well before Paul Cook was here. Also what accounts for the same bunch of players playing without fear under a Caretaker Manager. | | | |
| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 09:10 - Apr 21 with 908 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 22:02 - Apr 20 by Bluedandy |
The notion of downing tools has become a ridiculous, childish cliche to justify total footballing incompetence.
You think if this Town team deigned to pick up a hammer and chisel we'd be in the Premier League?
Come off it ... these players lost tonight because collectively they are a hopeless technical outfit. |
Nope, they've given up.
Did you see the clip of McGuinness passing to Dozzell, it wasn't straight to feet and Dozzell stops to have a go at him, as Northampton break on goal!!
THAT'S what fans mean by "downing tools".
I know Dozzell has a lazy style, much like his dad, but the difference is, ANDRE IS LAZY. |  |
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| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 09:45 - Apr 21 with 880 views | jayessess |
| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 08:22 - Apr 21 by Kropotkin123 |
Pretty much every one of them to varying degrees.
Who do you not believe this is true for? |
I don't believe that playing badly against Northampton will preserve anyone's livelihood. The contrary is true. | |
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| What sort of footballer downs tools and gives up on 09:49 - Apr 21 with 855 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Ones that know that no matter what they do, big money new owners means their time here is done. |  |
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