| They are crap Paul, we get it 00:34 - Apr 25 with 10583 views | 3_5_2 |
You have made your point in every way possible and you are telling us what we have all suspected for years, they are a weak bunch mentally, not fit and lack the ability to do the basics.
Head own lad, fcuk off the ones you don’t want and work with those you do
Get your backroom staff in and hammer the transfer market nice and early. Good pre season and see where are.
We get it, we really do but enough is enough with the moaning |  |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 09:51 - Apr 25 with 2024 views | Guthrum |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 09:44 - Apr 25 by haynes_toe1 |
Just a couple of decent performances would have been a good start. Or, absolute minimum, matching Lamberts PPG and performances under him.. |
What, the rubbish performances we were all moaning furiously about before he left? The period when the only team we didn't lose to was Burton Albion? The PPG which was massively boosted by six games at the start of the season? People aren't half using some rose-tinted spectacles about large parts of this season. |  |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 09:54 - Apr 25 with 2009 views | Guthrum |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 09:39 - Apr 25 by NeedhamChris |
How about building on a five game unbeaten run and having an actual run at the playoffs?
Or alternatively, scoring a goal in the last 6 games |
How can the Manager force players to have a shot when approaching goal? Or make them direct it on target?
We have had a four-game unbeaten run. Which, considering we have no strikers who are fit and can score, is not bad. | |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 09:55 - Apr 25 with 2007 views | NeedhamChris |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 09:47 - Apr 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
We should probably have statues put up for those 3. |
Wasn't it just a few days ago you were keeping Chambers around because he'd gone above and beyond? |  |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 10:02 - Apr 25 with 1986 views | pointofblue |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 09:51 - Apr 25 by Guthrum |
What, the rubbish performances we were all moaning furiously about before he left? The period when the only team we didn't lose to was Burton Albion? The PPG which was massively boosted by six games at the start of the season? People aren't half using some rose-tinted spectacles about large parts of this season. |
I see your point so let’s break the season down into 13 match spells where possible - the sane number of games Cook has had.
First spell - 1.92 points per game
Second spell - 1.15 points per game
Third spell (final four games before Cook) - 1.75 points per game
Fourth spell - 0.92 points per game
The horrible truth is if Cook had maintained the points ratio of Lambert’s second spell we’d have 15 points on the board rather than 12 and within a win of the play offs rather than six points adrift. On such little margins does so much ride. | |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 10:03 - Apr 25 with 1979 views | Guthrum |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 09:49 - Apr 25 by pointofblue |
It’s like a hole in my bucket, isn’t it? Lambert and Gill got these tools (use the word as you wish) to within two points of the play offs at the time of Cook’s arrival, averaging 1.7 points per game. Cook’s response has been to drag us down to 0.92 points per game. There are extenuating circumstances, yes, but did ANY of us expect such a decline after the managerial change if we’re completely honest with ourselves? Cook himself didn’t.
This is not saying Cook out, anything but as he needs time, but we were in a good position for a play off pitch with the same players at our disposal and we’ve failed miserably to execute it. Now we wait hopefully for a summer of change. |
The question becomes one of apportionment of blame.
Has the manager been doing bizarre things which might explain our ineffectiveness?
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Have the players been visibly lacklustre at times, have they shown mental strength in adversity, have the forwards been taking shots when they could? | |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 10:13 - Apr 25 with 1954 views | haynes_toe1 |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 10:02 - Apr 25 by pointofblue |
I see your point so let’s break the season down into 13 match spells where possible - the sane number of games Cook has had.
First spell - 1.92 points per game
Second spell - 1.15 points per game
Third spell (final four games before Cook) - 1.75 points per game
Fourth spell - 0.92 points per game
The horrible truth is if Cook had maintained the points ratio of Lambert’s second spell we’d have 15 points on the board rather than 12 and within a win of the play offs rather than six points adrift. On such little margins does so much ride. |
So essentially Lambert at his worst was still better than Cook, which is what concerns me. | | | |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 10:16 - Apr 25 with 1942 views | NeedhamChris |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 10:03 - Apr 25 by Guthrum |
The question becomes one of apportionment of blame.
Has the manager been doing bizarre things which might explain our ineffectiveness?
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Have the players been visibly lacklustre at times, have they shown mental strength in adversity, have the forwards been taking shots when they could? |
I'm surprised you're approaching that as such a simplistic binary choice. Are you saying that option 1 and option 2 are mutually exclusive? [Post edited 25 Apr 2021 10:16]
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 10:27 - Apr 25 with 1913 views | pointofblue |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 10:03 - Apr 25 by Guthrum |
The question becomes one of apportionment of blame.
Has the manager been doing bizarre things which might explain our ineffectiveness?
or
Have the players been visibly lacklustre at times, have they shown mental strength in adversity, have the forwards been taking shots when they could? |
I wouldn’t say bizarre but hindsight is a wonderful thing - I think Cook’s completely understandable desperation in trying to get something to click backfired; we switched formations and tried different forms of play, both of which he doesn’t particularly favour himself so probably isn’t the best at coaching the players at.
He attempted to implement his style of play within training despite the little time available and realised the players didn’t have the match fitness to match these expectations; this rolled over onto the pitch as well where match after match we’d do ok in the first half but fall way in the second (this has been changing of late, with greater impact being seen in the second half v Northampton and Wimbledon). Then, as I said above, we changed the approach in a bid to get results - a method many of us called Lambingo with the alterations to the starting line up.
But all of this is easy to say in hindsight. At the time they seemed perfectly logically thing to do to try and get something, anything, to click.
And the players are weak mentally - Cook must have realised this so to go at them full bore means he has written off the season. I’d be amazed if he expected to get a reaction considering what he must have seen on the training ground as well as during matches. We have no confidence whilst desire and fight only shows it’s head sporadically; it was completely missing for the first 45 minutes yesterday but appeared, at least to an extent, in the second half. We do have an unwieldy squad which lacks balance.
My concern is what has happened to the shoots of promise between Oxford and Hull - even some of the signs at Accrington - where at the very least we looked dangerous/could score from set pieces? If inept from open play, which we most definitely are, these are our chances to get something on the board but they seem to be getting progressively worse over the last period of matches.
Cook will get the summer which is only right to do so. In hindsight I think he would have stuck to his favoured formation and maybe approached training slightly differently if he had knew how bad match fitness within the club but, as I said before, hindsight is a wonderful thing. | |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 10:29 - Apr 25 with 1905 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
Comparing Lamberts tenure (players looking forward to new contracts and another 3 years of getting told mediocrity is acceptable) vs Cooks (new dawn,looking for new clubs, out on their ear) is chalk and cheese.
Judge him on his team. |  |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 10:37 - Apr 25 with 1884 views | Bobbychase |
A) When he doesn't come out and talk after the games he gets stick.
B) What's he supposed to say? They're brilliant and doing their best? We watch the games, we know they are a disgrace to the shirt and the badge.
C) We all just have to suck it up I'm afraid. We're stuck with this lot for three more games and Cook is obliged to come out and talk to the media before and after each one. It's not going to get better and we shouldn't expect it to. I'm sure he'd rather not do press conferences as much as we are all bored of hearing them.
With the new owners, if we take what they say at face value, we as Ipswich fans have won the lottery. The players stopped caring about this season a few weeks back and I recommend we all do the same and look forward to the summer.
From my point of view there is ZERO pressure on Cook until he has had the chance to bring in his own players. |  |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 10:40 - Apr 25 with 1867 views | reusersfreekicks |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 09:26 - Apr 25 by noggin |
Who is putting Cook on a pedestal? We have simply appreciated his honesty regarding the attitude of the players. |
Lets be clear all Cook has achieved since he arrived is the worst run of form we have had for ages. He has got the least out of all the players and repeatedly thrown them under a bus despite saying he wouldn't
The lynch mob threads are unedifying and just consist of the worst sort of bandwagon effect |  | | |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 10:41 - Apr 25 with 1863 views | Bobbychase |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 10:40 - Apr 25 by reusersfreekicks |
Lets be clear all Cook has achieved since he arrived is the worst run of form we have had for ages. He has got the least out of all the players and repeatedly thrown them under a bus despite saying he wouldn't
The lynch mob threads are unedifying and just consist of the worst sort of bandwagon effect |
Just as an example, when you watch those two set pieces from Edwards yesterday, woeful, awful, diabolical efforts from a player we know is capable of better, do you blame Cook or Edwards? | |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 10:43 - Apr 25 with 1857 views | NeedhamChris |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 10:41 - Apr 25 by Bobbychase |
Just as an example, when you watch those two set pieces from Edwards yesterday, woeful, awful, diabolical efforts from a player we know is capable of better, do you blame Cook or Edwards? |
Why not both? | |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 10:47 - Apr 25 with 1837 views | Bobbychase |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 10:43 - Apr 25 by NeedhamChris |
Why not both? |
So Cook, on the training ground, is telling Edwards to close his eyes and just whack them as high and as hard as he can?
He's telling Bennetts to "shoot" halfway between the goal and the corner flag? | |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 11:04 - Apr 25 with 1805 views | Guthrum |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 10:13 - Apr 25 by haynes_toe1 |
So essentially Lambert at his worst was still better than Cook, which is what concerns me. |
Which is not accurate. Lambert's worst was four points from nine games - with seven defeats - at the end of last season. When we had been in top spot immediately before. With a lot of the same players. | |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 11:09 - Apr 25 with 1798 views | Wickets |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 11:04 - Apr 25 by Guthrum |
Which is not accurate. Lambert's worst was four points from nine games - with seven defeats - at the end of last season. When we had been in top spot immediately before. With a lot of the same players. |
Very true and he had transfer windows to build a team . |  | | |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 11:11 - Apr 25 with 1796 views | Bobbychase |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 11:04 - Apr 25 by Guthrum |
Which is not accurate. Lambert's worst was four points from nine games - with seven defeats - at the end of last season. When we had been in top spot immediately before. With a lot of the same players. |
The wins over Hull, Accrington etc are creating a false narrative.
We've won seven league games since the season restarted in January under both managers, which is pathetic overall. And suspiciously that little run of wins which took us to the edge of the play-offs came when the rumours of Lambert leaving were at their strongest. It was the like the thought of the new manager gave the players a lift. | |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it (n/t) on 11:14 - Apr 25 with 1793 views | Stewart27 |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 09:02 - Apr 25 by PJH |
Apart from Cole Skuse's twin brother who is also named Cole. |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 11:15 - Apr 25 with 1796 views | itfcjoe |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 09:51 - Apr 25 by Guthrum |
What, the rubbish performances we were all moaning furiously about before he left? The period when the only team we didn't lose to was Burton Albion? The PPG which was massively boosted by six games at the start of the season? People aren't half using some rose-tinted spectacles about large parts of this season. |
Guthers, you could take out the 6 games at the start of the season where we got 16 points, plus the 9 points from the last 3 games and we have 25 points from 20 games.....for Cook to achieve that PPG he needs to pick up 8 points in last 3 games.
I was not a fan of Lambert, but to be able to take out 8 wins in 9 games from his record this season and him still outperform Cook really shows how bad we’ve been since the change of manager. |  |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it (n/t) on 11:17 - Apr 25 with 1781 views | Stewart27 |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 09:44 - Apr 25 by BlueandTruesince82 |
1 play off campaign in 10 years?
Yeah they've done loads. |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 11:17 - Apr 25 with 1782 views | Bobbychase |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 11:15 - Apr 25 by itfcjoe |
Guthers, you could take out the 6 games at the start of the season where we got 16 points, plus the 9 points from the last 3 games and we have 25 points from 20 games.....for Cook to achieve that PPG he needs to pick up 8 points in last 3 games.
I was not a fan of Lambert, but to be able to take out 8 wins in 9 games from his record this season and him still outperform Cook really shows how bad we’ve been since the change of manager. |
Oh, there is no doubt we've been terrible recently.
It's a question of who you blame. | |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 11:18 - Apr 25 with 1774 views | itfcjoe |
| They are crap Paul, we get it (n/t) on 11:14 - Apr 25 by Stewart27 |
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What are you on about? | |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 11:20 - Apr 25 with 1767 views | Stewart27 |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 11:18 - Apr 25 by itfcjoe |
What are you on about? |
Apologies.
Had a moment of madness. | | | |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 11:57 - Apr 25 with 1741 views | 66notout |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 09:45 - Apr 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Lambert had been here 2.5 years. The players were drilled in his way of playing (and even then they were still pretty abject). 3 wins at the end of Lambert's tenure and now suddenly he's a great manager?!?
I know people have short memories but this is getting silly now. Lambert was the worst manager in our history according to most on here only a few weeks ago. Cook picks up the dross he left behind and is expected to immediately get more out of them than Lambert did in 2.5 years?!? |
It's the fact that Cook can't improve on the record of 'the worst manager in the club's history' that is concerning some of us. | | | |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 12:02 - Apr 25 with 1735 views | PJH |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 10:41 - Apr 25 by Bobbychase |
Just as an example, when you watch those two set pieces from Edwards yesterday, woeful, awful, diabolical efforts from a player we know is capable of better, do you blame Cook or Edwards? |
Blame Cook for putting Edwards in the team and blame Edwards for the absolute mess he made of the set pieces, so blame both.
edit-plus blame Cook additionally because presumably it was his idea for Edwards to be taking corners and freekicks. [Post edited 25 Apr 2021 12:04]
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