| They are crap Paul, we get it 00:34 - Apr 25 with 10584 views | 3_5_2 |
You have made your point in every way possible and you are telling us what we have all suspected for years, they are a weak bunch mentally, not fit and lack the ability to do the basics.
Head own lad, fcuk off the ones you don’t want and work with those you do
Get your backroom staff in and hammer the transfer market nice and early. Good pre season and see where are.
We get it, we really do but enough is enough with the moaning |  |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 12:03 - Apr 25 with 2121 views | Bobbychase |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 12:02 - Apr 25 by PJH |
Blame Cook for putting Edwards in the team and blame Edwards for the absolute mess he made of the set pieces, so blame both.
edit-plus blame Cook additionally because presumably it was his idea for Edwards to be taking corners and freekicks. [Post edited 25 Apr 2021 12:04]
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Edwards is one of our (miserably low) top scorers |  |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 12:07 - Apr 25 with 2113 views | PJH |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 12:03 - Apr 25 by Bobbychase |
Edwards is one of our (miserably low) top scorers |
Oh right so that's why he gets picked just because he scored some goals 6 months ago.
We have to pick Edwards every week because he had a good game in October. |  | | |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 12:50 - Apr 25 with 2088 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 09:49 - Apr 25 by pointofblue |
It’s like a hole in my bucket, isn’t it? Lambert and Gill got these tools (use the word as you wish) to within two points of the play offs at the time of Cook’s arrival, averaging 1.7 points per game. Cook’s response has been to drag us down to 0.92 points per game. There are extenuating circumstances, yes, but did ANY of us expect such a decline after the managerial change if we’re completely honest with ourselves? Cook himself didn’t.
This is not saying Cook out, anything but as he needs time, but we were in a good position for a play off pitch with the same players at our disposal and we’ve failed miserably to execute it. Now we wait hopefully for a summer of change. |
I think the takeover's had a big effect. I don't think Cook's doing anything wrong per se. He's experienced and very successful at this level, and he's not just going to forget all that overnight. So to me it seems logical that the takeover must be the issue. |  |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 12:58 - Apr 25 with 2078 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 09:50 - Apr 25 by NeedhamChris |
You don't have to exaggerate to make a point. Where has anyone said that Lambert is a great manager? Oh, they haven't - you're just being overly dramatic.
It is fine to accept that Lambert was not a good manager, whilst also believing that Cook is (so far!!) performing worse.
Also, you write off the 3 wins but that is the form that Cook was inheriting, not the results of 2 years ago. |
It wasn't 'form' - most metrics of form cover 6 games at least. There was a slight upturn because Lambert was off, but look how poor we were in the 3 games before those 3. Look at the overall picture of the season. We have a poor team, that's it, and that's not Cook's fault. Digging him out now is massively premature.
Look at it this way - are we so crap at the moment because the manager is crap or because the players are crap? Look at historical evidence, and then take your pick. What's more likely? | |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 13:00 - Apr 25 with 2073 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 09:55 - Apr 25 by NeedhamChris |
Wasn't it just a few days ago you were keeping Chambers around because he'd gone above and beyond? |
No, I said if he's being used within the backroom staff, maybe he'd be good as a fitness coach given he rarely gets injured. | |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 13:04 - Apr 25 with 2070 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 10:02 - Apr 25 by pointofblue |
I see your point so let’s break the season down into 13 match spells where possible - the sane number of games Cook has had.
First spell - 1.92 points per game
Second spell - 1.15 points per game
Third spell (final four games before Cook) - 1.75 points per game
Fourth spell - 0.92 points per game
The horrible truth is if Cook had maintained the points ratio of Lambert’s second spell we’d have 15 points on the board rather than 12 and within a win of the play offs rather than six points adrift. On such little margins does so much ride. |
This is utterly pointless (pardon the pun). Lambert didn't have players who knew they were on the way out due to a takeover happening. He'd also had MUCH more time to drill these players in his ideas. Comparing his and Cook's PPG is unfair. | |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 13:10 - Apr 25 with 2064 views | Barneycurley |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 09:45 - Apr 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Lambert had been here 2.5 years. The players were drilled in his way of playing (and even then they were still pretty abject). 3 wins at the end of Lambert's tenure and now suddenly he's a great manager?!?
I know people have short memories but this is getting silly now. Lambert was the worst manager in our history according to most on here only a few weeks ago. Cook picks up the dross he left behind and is expected to immediately get more out of them than Lambert did in 2.5 years?!? |
No hes not.
Hes expected to get as a minimum the same PL Managed, and he's failed that spectacularly.
If he's this Messiah the likes of you and others are clinging too then he'd break that astute and be able to as the bare minimum identity our obvious failings and improve them whilst building all the knowledge he needed to know who or who couldn't fit in to HIS STYLE.
But he's Managed neither so after 2 months he's taken a sledge hammer to it, criticised the players ability, fitness or whatever else he feels buys him the summer.
He's an abject failure, so far.... |  |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 13:13 - Apr 25 with 2059 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 11:15 - Apr 25 by itfcjoe |
Guthers, you could take out the 6 games at the start of the season where we got 16 points, plus the 9 points from the last 3 games and we have 25 points from 20 games.....for Cook to achieve that PPG he needs to pick up 8 points in last 3 games.
I was not a fan of Lambert, but to be able to take out 8 wins in 9 games from his record this season and him still outperform Cook really shows how bad we’ve been since the change of manager. |
It's not just since the change of manager. It's also since the change of owners. | |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 13:14 - Apr 25 with 2057 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 11:57 - Apr 25 by 66notout |
It's the fact that Cook can't improve on the record of 'the worst manager in the club's history' that is concerning some of us. |
There are reasons for that. Cook being a rubbish manager isn't one of them. | |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 13:18 - Apr 25 with 2045 views | Barneycurley |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 13:14 - Apr 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
There are reasons for that. Cook being a rubbish manager isn't one of them. |
Hes that good he was out of work for 8 months - people talk about him with hushed words, he's a semi decent league 3 manager yet he's been talked about like some Pep character.
Maybe that's the problem - expectation doesn't match reality | |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 13:21 - Apr 25 with 2042 views | SpruceMoose |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 13:18 - Apr 25 by Barneycurley |
Hes that good he was out of work for 8 months - people talk about him with hushed words, he's a semi decent league 3 manager yet he's been talked about like some Pep character.
Maybe that's the problem - expectation doesn't match reality |
Mental. |  |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 13:22 - Apr 25 with 2040 views | Barneycurley |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 13:21 - Apr 25 by SpruceMoose |
Mental. |
Indeed you are | |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 13:26 - Apr 25 with 2032 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 13:18 - Apr 25 by Barneycurley |
Hes that good he was out of work for 8 months - people talk about him with hushed words, he's a semi decent league 3 manager yet he's been talked about like some Pep character.
Maybe that's the problem - expectation doesn't match reality |
Cook turned down two Championship clubs in that time.
Are you seriously going with 'Cook was out of work for 8 months because nobody wanted him'?!? | |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 13:28 - Apr 25 with 2021 views | pointofblue |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 12:50 - Apr 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I think the takeover's had a big effect. I don't think Cook's doing anything wrong per se. He's experienced and very successful at this level, and he's not just going to forget all that overnight. So to me it seems logical that the takeover must be the issue. |
Possibly - Cook’s PPG prior to the takeover was 1.12 which isn’t miles off Lambert’s second 13 game run this season. Since the takeover it’s sunk to 0.6 points. In hindsight I wonder if we may have bounced back (relatively speaking) after Wimbledon away had he not discharged both barrels? Something we will never know. |  |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 13:29 - Apr 25 with 2022 views | SpruceMoose |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 13:26 - Apr 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Cook turned down two Championship clubs in that time.
Are you seriously going with 'Cook was out of work for 8 months because nobody wanted him'?!? |
I think you're wasting your time here. The average IQ on this forum has plummeted lately. It's now sitting somewhere in the room temperature range. | |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 13:42 - Apr 25 with 1998 views | Bobbychase |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 12:07 - Apr 25 by PJH |
Oh right so that's why he gets picked just because he scored some goals 6 months ago.
We have to pick Edwards every week because he had a good game in October. |
Bishop also scored a few goals in that decent run at the start, and has done nothing great recently, Norwood is injured, as is Nolan who was also in decent scoring form back in August/September.
You play your best team. Edwards is, by factual definition, more of a goal threat than the likes of Drinan, Jackson, etc.
Cook has no alternatives. If you didn't pick all the players who haven't played well recently, we'd be struggling to fulfil our fixtures. | |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 13:58 - Apr 25 with 1973 views | patrickswell |
I haven't replied to any one individual post on Chambers Skuse and what they have done here but I do wonder whether people's biggest complaint about them these last few years is that they weren't able to drag the standard up given the mountain of dross which Hurst brought into the club and which Lambert was unable to arrest.
They at least have the memory of playing in a halfway decent ITFC team. Those who've come in since summer 2018 have known nothing but failure, underachievement and fan contempt. because that's al! they've been a part of. |  | | |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 14:11 - Apr 25 with 1964 views | PJH |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 13:42 - Apr 25 by Bobbychase |
Bishop also scored a few goals in that decent run at the start, and has done nothing great recently, Norwood is injured, as is Nolan who was also in decent scoring form back in August/September.
You play your best team. Edwards is, by factual definition, more of a goal threat than the likes of Drinan, Jackson, etc.
Cook has no alternatives. If you didn't pick all the players who haven't played well recently, we'd be struggling to fulfil our fixtures. |
Cook himself says we have no goal threat.
The supposedly forward thinking player that plays the most under Cook is Edwards-in the no goal threat attack.
By definition Cook thinks Edwards is no goal threat.
But yes, as you say, Edwards gets picked to make up the numbers. | | | |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 16:44 - Apr 25 with 1920 views | Guthrum |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 11:15 - Apr 25 by itfcjoe |
Guthers, you could take out the 6 games at the start of the season where we got 16 points, plus the 9 points from the last 3 games and we have 25 points from 20 games.....for Cook to achieve that PPG he needs to pick up 8 points in last 3 games.
I was not a fan of Lambert, but to be able to take out 8 wins in 9 games from his record this season and him still outperform Cook really shows how bad we’ve been since the change of manager. |
It's not like we've gone from good to bad, we've gone from awful to abysmal. But then we did that last season, too. The final run before suspension was atrocious. Cook has done much better than Lambert managed then.
As you have been arguing that the team is suffering from mental burnout (an entirely reasonable hypothesis), it seems they run out of steam some time before the end of the season. Under those circumstances - with depleted reserves rapidly becoming exhausted - it is hard to expect a new man to come in for the last few months and effect a dramatic turnaround.
A situation like that takes time, reorganisation and often reinforcements to turn around. |  |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 16:48 - Apr 25 with 1914 views | haynes_toe1 |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 13:26 - Apr 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Cook turned down two Championship clubs in that time.
Are you seriously going with 'Cook was out of work for 8 months because nobody wanted him'?!? |
Which two championship clubs was Cook offered the job to and turned down? Not what clubs interviewed him and decided on someone else, because that's a very different situation. | | | |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 16:54 - Apr 25 with 1908 views | haynes_toe1 |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 16:44 - Apr 25 by Guthrum |
It's not like we've gone from good to bad, we've gone from awful to abysmal. But then we did that last season, too. The final run before suspension was atrocious. Cook has done much better than Lambert managed then.
As you have been arguing that the team is suffering from mental burnout (an entirely reasonable hypothesis), it seems they run out of steam some time before the end of the season. Under those circumstances - with depleted reserves rapidly becoming exhausted - it is hard to expect a new man to come in for the last few months and effect a dramatic turnaround.
A situation like that takes time, reorganisation and often reinforcements to turn around. |
Much better than Lambert managed? Even those last 12 games last season we won 4 and picked up 2 draws. We also scored 4 goals on two different occasions.
Cook has been worse than Lambert so far in terms of delivery of performance, results and every conceivable football-related statistic. People should really just accept that. | | | |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 16:58 - Apr 25 with 1904 views | AlanG296 |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 16:54 - Apr 25 by haynes_toe1 |
Much better than Lambert managed? Even those last 12 games last season we won 4 and picked up 2 draws. We also scored 4 goals on two different occasions.
Cook has been worse than Lambert so far in terms of delivery of performance, results and every conceivable football-related statistic. People should really just accept that. |
People should really just accept that even if we reached the playoffs we would not beat 2 other top 6 teams to win them. We were not going to get promoted with any manager this season. The squad are not good enough, never were and never will be. | | | |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 17:37 - Apr 25 with 1869 views | NeedhamChris |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 13:00 - Apr 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No, I said if he's being used within the backroom staff, maybe he'd be good as a fitness coach given he rarely gets injured. |
You said he'd gone above and beyond, so it's a little rich to criticise those who think it's not 100% the players fault at the moment. | |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 17:43 - Apr 25 with 1855 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 17:37 - Apr 25 by NeedhamChris |
You said he'd gone above and beyond, so it's a little rich to criticise those who think it's not 100% the players fault at the moment. |
I said he goes above and beyond in terms of the little extra things he does, such as looking after young players (having several live with him). I didn't say anything about his ability on the pitch. | |
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| They are crap Paul, we get it on 17:46 - Apr 25 with 1846 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| They are crap Paul, we get it on 16:48 - Apr 25 by haynes_toe1 |
Which two championship clubs was Cook offered the job to and turned down? Not what clubs interviewed him and decided on someone else, because that's a very different situation. |
Sheffield Wednesday and Cardiff. They both wanted him on short contracts and he turned both down.
I thought you were putting me on ignore? | |
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