| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 10:35 - May 7 with 848 views | hype313 |
| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 10:33 - May 7 by GlasgowBlue |
You seem to throw the word bigot around without any supporting evidence. |
I was going to reply but it just looked like an incoherent rant.
I saw an interview with George Galloway the other month (I know, I know but bear with me) who made an interesting point. He sees the UK a country where most voters are economically to the left in terms of the state ownership of big services and infrastructure but socially very conservative in terms of family, personal responsibility and traditional values.
Neither party really understands that, but Labour fails to get it most of all. What has been most damaging to Labour is that radical intersectionality and the fetishism of victimisation has infected the left so much that Labour finds it impossible to define itself in any way that is distinct from the mob of rioters, knee benders and statue destroyers. Until Labour finds a leader who can move the party away from the social nihilism that currently infests it, it will never win another general election. |  |
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| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 10:46 - May 7 with 822 views | Steve_M |
Couple of threads from Twitter to add to the debate. The former is interesting on the widening demographic divide and asks what the response will ultimately be from the young. The latter on a similar theme but how the same trend is weakening the country.
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| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 10:49 - May 7 with 812 views | Herbivore |
| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 10:35 - May 7 by hype313 |
I was going to reply but it just looked like an incoherent rant.
I saw an interview with George Galloway the other month (I know, I know but bear with me) who made an interesting point. He sees the UK a country where most voters are economically to the left in terms of the state ownership of big services and infrastructure but socially very conservative in terms of family, personal responsibility and traditional values.
Neither party really understands that, but Labour fails to get it most of all. What has been most damaging to Labour is that radical intersectionality and the fetishism of victimisation has infected the left so much that Labour finds it impossible to define itself in any way that is distinct from the mob of rioters, knee benders and statue destroyers. Until Labour finds a leader who can move the party away from the social nihilism that currently infests it, it will never win another general election. |
Yeah, how dare marginalised people protest. |  |
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| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 10:49 - May 7 with 807 views | chicoazul |
| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 10:35 - May 7 by hype313 |
I was going to reply but it just looked like an incoherent rant.
I saw an interview with George Galloway the other month (I know, I know but bear with me) who made an interesting point. He sees the UK a country where most voters are economically to the left in terms of the state ownership of big services and infrastructure but socially very conservative in terms of family, personal responsibility and traditional values.
Neither party really understands that, but Labour fails to get it most of all. What has been most damaging to Labour is that radical intersectionality and the fetishism of victimisation has infected the left so much that Labour finds it impossible to define itself in any way that is distinct from the mob of rioters, knee benders and statue destroyers. Until Labour finds a leader who can move the party away from the social nihilism that currently infests it, it will never win another general election. |
Who could have possibly guessed that a bunch of Remainer metropolitan weirdos who talk about intersectionality can’t connect with the voters of Hartlepool?
And Galloway is an rsehole but he’s right. |  |
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| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 10:55 - May 7 with 782 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 10:49 - May 7 by chicoazul |
Who could have possibly guessed that a bunch of Remainer metropolitan weirdos who talk about intersectionality can’t connect with the voters of Hartlepool?
And Galloway is an rsehole but he’s right. |
Aside from the fact that Labour don't actually seem to be offering or standing for anything (not that that is always a deal breaker) you have to wonder why the northern people can't resonate with SIR Kier. |  |
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| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 10:58 - May 7 with 770 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 10:22 - May 7 by JDB23 |
In 2017 Labour had 22,000 votes.
In 2019 Labour had 15,000 votes.
In 2021 Labour have 8,000 votes.
This isn't just about sticking UKIP and Cons together and saying "ah well Labour would have lost anyway". They have haemorrhaged votes, with a lot of people just not even bothering to turn up to the ballot box. |
Had the Brexit Party not stood in Hartlepool in 2019 then the seat would have gone to the Tories in the same way many of the red walls seats did where the Brexit Party stood aside.
Not sure how anyone can disagree with that. |  |
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| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:05 - May 7 with 749 views | JDB23 |
| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 10:58 - May 7 by GlasgowBlue |
Had the Brexit Party not stood in Hartlepool in 2019 then the seat would have gone to the Tories in the same way many of the red walls seats did where the Brexit Party stood aside.
Not sure how anyone can disagree with that. |
Where did I disagree with that? I said Labour have haemorrhaged votes, that is a separate issue than brexit votes going to Tories. |  | | |
| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:05 - May 7 with 749 views | BlueAllOver |
| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 10:55 - May 7 by Lord_Lucan |
Aside from the fact that Labour don't actually seem to be offering or standing for anything (not that that is always a deal breaker) you have to wonder why the northern people can't resonate with SIR Kier. |
So they don't align with the working class background Starmer who worked his way to a top position in the legal field but they resonate with the man of the people Johnson from a privileged background and who did little other than be a shady journalist?
11 years of cuts in Hartlepool and high use of foodbanks yet they vote for more or the same, just no hope for some people.
Starmer needs to kick out the far left who are intent on ruining in the party, yeah yeah like the centrists did. before DK posts it, saved you the bother blah blah blah
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| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:09 - May 7 with 727 views | Herbivore |
| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 10:55 - May 7 by Lord_Lucan |
Aside from the fact that Labour don't actually seem to be offering or standing for anything (not that that is always a deal breaker) you have to wonder why the northern people can't resonate with SIR Kier. |
Unlike genuine salt of the earth, man of the people, Old Etonian, Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson. | |
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| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:11 - May 7 with 719 views | tractordownsouth |
| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 10:55 - May 7 by Lord_Lucan |
Aside from the fact that Labour don't actually seem to be offering or standing for anything (not that that is always a deal breaker) you have to wonder why the northern people can't resonate with SIR Kier. |
I find the explanation that a knighthood makes Starmer unrelatable a little bit patronising to be honest. If that mattered a jot the same people wouldn’t be voting for an old Etonian.
Don’t get me wrong, he clearly needs to switch up his strategy and these are a poor set of results so far, but I don’t think that’s the problem. |  |
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| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:15 - May 7 with 706 views | footers |
| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:11 - May 7 by tractordownsouth |
I find the explanation that a knighthood makes Starmer unrelatable a little bit patronising to be honest. If that mattered a jot the same people wouldn’t be voting for an old Etonian.
Don’t get me wrong, he clearly needs to switch up his strategy and these are a poor set of results so far, but I don’t think that’s the problem. |
Starmer lacks two things: policies and a personality.
Johnson, for all his obvious bad traits, does at least have a personality. If Starmer could show a little fire in the belly and actually come out and says what his vision for the country is he would do much better. But right now, what does a vote for Labour actually mean? |  |
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| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:24 - May 7 with 692 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:09 - May 7 by Herbivore |
Unlike genuine salt of the earth, man of the people, Old Etonian, Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson. |
And herein lies the problem Herbie. Forget the Tories. They are doing a decent job of selling themselves to Joe Bloggs.
It's Labour that has the issues with selling themselves at the moment. Look at how to fix that.
For what it's worth, the general public doesn't seem to have a problem with Tory toffs if they have a bit of personality. Our love of John Cobbold is a prime example of that.
Tories are posh. It's priced in. Labour would sell themselves better with a Jess Phillips or a John Mann. It may well play to the stereotypes. Heck, even posh Tony was down with the Britpop kids.
Stop trying to sell Metropolitan Islington chin strokers to the working class would be my advice. | |
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| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:28 - May 7 with 676 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:11 - May 7 by tractordownsouth |
I find the explanation that a knighthood makes Starmer unrelatable a little bit patronising to be honest. If that mattered a jot the same people wouldn’t be voting for an old Etonian.
Don’t get me wrong, he clearly needs to switch up his strategy and these are a poor set of results so far, but I don’t think that’s the problem. |
I think it's a thing, the voters expect a Tory to come up through different channels, ie; Eton etc but they don't expect a Sir in charge of The Labour Party. They also look at Boris more as one of them because of his personal style and bluster.
You may think the above is complete nonsense but it's my opinion and I think it is what is happening.
If Kier dropped the Sir as Lord Wedgewood dropped his titles then that might be a start. | |
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| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:29 - May 7 with 675 views | J2BLUE |
| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:15 - May 7 by footers |
Starmer lacks two things: policies and a personality.
Johnson, for all his obvious bad traits, does at least have a personality. If Starmer could show a little fire in the belly and actually come out and says what his vision for the country is he would do much better. But right now, what does a vote for Labour actually mean? |
He's the least charismatic leader since Jo Swinson who came across as a supply teacher out of her depth. It seem to take him three weeks to take a position on anything.
I hope he really is saving his best for the post pandemic period but i'm becoming less convinced. |  |
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| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:31 - May 7 with 668 views | Herbivore |
| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:24 - May 7 by GlasgowBlue |
And herein lies the problem Herbie. Forget the Tories. They are doing a decent job of selling themselves to Joe Bloggs.
It's Labour that has the issues with selling themselves at the moment. Look at how to fix that.
For what it's worth, the general public doesn't seem to have a problem with Tory toffs if they have a bit of personality. Our love of John Cobbold is a prime example of that.
Tories are posh. It's priced in. Labour would sell themselves better with a Jess Phillips or a John Mann. It may well play to the stereotypes. Heck, even posh Tony was down with the Britpop kids.
Stop trying to sell Metropolitan Islington chin strokers to the working class would be my advice. |
I'm not trying to sell anything. I'm sat here quietly despairing at the absolute state of the country. | |
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| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:38 - May 7 with 632 views | 26_Paz |
| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:31 - May 7 by Herbivore |
I'm not trying to sell anything. I'm sat here quietly despairing at the absolute state of the country. |
That’s fine for a member of the public but it’s also kind of what the Labour Party are doing. Instead of pointing a going ‘look at all those horrible Tories being horrible Tories’ they need to actually define themselves. |  |
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| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:40 - May 7 with 620 views | Herbivore |
| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:38 - May 7 by 26_Paz |
That’s fine for a member of the public but it’s also kind of what the Labour Party are doing. Instead of pointing a going ‘look at all those horrible Tories being horrible Tories’ they need to actually define themselves. |
Here's Exhibit A. | |
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| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:40 - May 7 with 613 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:38 - May 7 by 26_Paz |
That’s fine for a member of the public but it’s also kind of what the Labour Party are doing. Instead of pointing a going ‘look at all those horrible Tories being horrible Tories’ they need to actually define themselves. |
Yes, but that's exactly what the Tories are doing for years, "Look at all those woke lefties" - one seems to resonate more with the public than the other... |  |
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| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:47 - May 7 with 583 views | Herbivore |
| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:40 - May 7 by Ewan_Oozami |
Yes, but that's exactly what the Tories are doing for years, "Look at all those woke lefties" - one seems to resonate more with the public than the other... |
The Tories won an 80 seat majority with a manifesto written on the back of a fag packet. Most people don't care about policies, they just want easy answers and a catchy slogan. | |
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| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:49 - May 7 with 567 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:31 - May 7 by Herbivore |
I'm not trying to sell anything. I'm sat here quietly despairing at the absolute state of the country. |
If a way could be found to salvage the Labour Party then we would have less reason to worry about the future as the electorate would be faced with a credible alternative to the Tories. *
Currently it is a bit like that Chinese rocket, tumbling out of control we know it is going to crash but no one can be certain when.
There must be someone who can take the middle ground of a true socialist rather than keep swinging from one extreme to the other ; a divided party with both ends convinced theirs is the right path leads to disaster.
There is a third option, Lib Dems, but they currently lack credibility. |  |
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| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:56 - May 7 with 540 views | Herbivore |
| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:49 - May 7 by Pinewoodblue |
If a way could be found to salvage the Labour Party then we would have less reason to worry about the future as the electorate would be faced with a credible alternative to the Tories. *
Currently it is a bit like that Chinese rocket, tumbling out of control we know it is going to crash but no one can be certain when.
There must be someone who can take the middle ground of a true socialist rather than keep swinging from one extreme to the other ; a divided party with both ends convinced theirs is the right path leads to disaster.
There is a third option, Lib Dems, but they currently lack credibility. |
I don't really see how our politics can be salvaged within the current electoral system. The Tories only need around 40% of the vote to maintain power and they are managing to do a fine job of maintaining and stoking the divisions caused by Brexit. That secures them a huge block of voters. They have the backing of the majority of the media and that enables them to control the narrative. The country is broken. | |
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| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:58 - May 7 with 530 views | StokieBlue |
| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:49 - May 7 by Pinewoodblue |
If a way could be found to salvage the Labour Party then we would have less reason to worry about the future as the electorate would be faced with a credible alternative to the Tories. *
Currently it is a bit like that Chinese rocket, tumbling out of control we know it is going to crash but no one can be certain when.
There must be someone who can take the middle ground of a true socialist rather than keep swinging from one extreme to the other ; a divided party with both ends convinced theirs is the right path leads to disaster.
There is a third option, Lib Dems, but they currently lack credibility. |
The Greens are more credible than the Lib Dems.
Was surprised to see Piers Corbyn on my slip yesterday, I've not been following too much of the mayoral election but he's a total bellend. Was quite impressed that the candidate for UKIP was actually called Peter Gammons. Superb.
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| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:59 - May 7 with 530 views | Steve_M |
| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:49 - May 7 by Pinewoodblue |
If a way could be found to salvage the Labour Party then we would have less reason to worry about the future as the electorate would be faced with a credible alternative to the Tories. *
Currently it is a bit like that Chinese rocket, tumbling out of control we know it is going to crash but no one can be certain when.
There must be someone who can take the middle ground of a true socialist rather than keep swinging from one extreme to the other ; a divided party with both ends convinced theirs is the right path leads to disaster.
There is a third option, Lib Dems, but they currently lack credibility. |
I think Starmer could (still) very much be that middle ground option for Labour, the problem being that a lot of the factional stuff is more important to those doing the fighting than actually winning elections.
The NIP stuff is telling, loads of Twitter hype for 250 votes and yet that all feeds into this narrative of Labour being divided. | |
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| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 12:21 - May 7 with 492 views | footers |
| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 11:58 - May 7 by StokieBlue |
The Greens are more credible than the Lib Dems.
Was surprised to see Piers Corbyn on my slip yesterday, I've not been following too much of the mayoral election but he's a total bellend. Was quite impressed that the candidate for UKIP was actually called Peter Gammons. Superb.
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So long as I don't ever see a picture of Brian Rose again I'll be happy.
A lot of independents this time around too. But none of them really seemed to have anything to say aside from "vote for me". | |
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| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 12:26 - May 7 with 479 views | StokieBlue |
| Conservatives predicted to win Hartlepool by-election on 12:21 - May 7 by footers |
So long as I don't ever see a picture of Brian Rose again I'll be happy.
A lot of independents this time around too. But none of them really seemed to have anything to say aside from "vote for me". |
Just reading up on him I am glad I've not been paying too much attention to the mayoral campaign. What a tool.
"Rose has conducted five interviews with conspiracy theorist David Icke.[13] In one interview, published in April 2020, Icke falsely claimed that there was a link between the COVID-19 pandemic and 5G mobile phone networks, without being challenged by Rose."
"On 24 January 2021, Rose and six of his staff were fined by police for breaking lockdown rules while filming promotional material for his campaign."
Idiot. Utterly depressing that he has 2m subscribers listening to that rubbish.
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