| Voter ID 08:48 - May 11 with 9130 views | Guthrum |
Not seen this discussed on here. The Government will be bringing in legislation requiring photo ID in order to vote in person. That's all well and good for those with a driving licence and/or a passport.
But there needs to be a cheap and easily accessible scheme for those who do not have either. Many of such people will be the poor or the elderly (who may have not renewed the ones they had). Those groups are also the least internet accessible. Otherwise you are effectively dienfranchising those people or, at the very least, putting a price upon the ability to vote.
Such a scheme of voting photo ID would have to be very affordable, even for those on benefits (subsidised, even), easy to access (both on- and offline) and secure (something these things have not always been).
All this in the name of eradicating something which is an infinitesimally small problem (one conviction for impersonatin at a polling station in the 2017 election: https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/sites/default/files/pdf_file/Fraud-allega ). Presumably because they think introducing a national ID card system would create too much of a row (again). |  |
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| Voter ID on 16:28 - May 12 with 1798 views | J2BLUE |
| Voter ID on 16:24 - May 12 by 26_Paz |
Completely agree.
Those who think this is some kind of nefarious attempt at ‘cheating’ by the Tories need to consider that it tends to be older people who won’t have a passport or driving licence. Older people overwhelmingly vote Tory so if the Tories are doing this to try and ‘steal’ elections it would make no sense whatsoever! |
Old people without a passport aren't like to vote for the Tories...
Well off old people who travel a lot are more likely to vote Tory. |  |
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| Voter ID on 16:29 - May 12 with 1790 views | SpruceMoose |
| Voter ID on 16:24 - May 12 by 26_Paz |
Completely agree.
Those who think this is some kind of nefarious attempt at ‘cheating’ by the Tories need to consider that it tends to be older people who won’t have a passport or driving licence. Older people overwhelmingly vote Tory so if the Tories are doing this to try and ‘steal’ elections it would make no sense whatsoever! |
You're just making stuff up again. No evidence whatsoever. More trolling. There's no way on earth wealthy Conservative voters are less likely to have ID than the poorest and most disenfranchised in society. Not even you actually believe that.
You're a pox on this forum. Just as well there's positive stuff on here like the current Gofundme, because your constant trolling really does drag this place down. |  |
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| Voter ID on 19:36 - May 12 with 1728 views | HARRY10 |
| Voter ID on 16:24 - May 12 by 26_Paz |
Completely agree.
Those who think this is some kind of nefarious attempt at ‘cheating’ by the Tories need to consider that it tends to be older people who won’t have a passport or driving licence. Older people overwhelmingly vote Tory so if the Tories are doing this to try and ‘steal’ elections it would make no sense whatsoever! |
Johnson has hit back tonight ovet his unpaid debt
"The debt was supposed to have been paid by some chappy I gave an MBE to,
or was it his friend ........... one of them anyway ?
which was declared by me .............................personally this afternoon, along with some other misunderstanding about gift from a Sheikh rat el enroul, who some are now claiming it was about buying a football club
Whatever it is, it is a monstrous extrusionace of piffle waffle, piled on top of all those other allegations that have no grounding in truth either
..................apart from the ones that do
And I have called on my fellow old Etonian Mr Cameron to act as a character witness, were this to come to court, which it won't as I shall prorogue any court that does.....................
and if not, offer the judge a peerage " |  | | |
| Voter ID on 20:00 - May 12 with 1695 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Voter ID on 16:29 - May 12 by SpruceMoose |
You're just making stuff up again. No evidence whatsoever. More trolling. There's no way on earth wealthy Conservative voters are less likely to have ID than the poorest and most disenfranchised in society. Not even you actually believe that.
You're a pox on this forum. Just as well there's positive stuff on here like the current Gofundme, because your constant trolling really does drag this place down. |
Play the ball, not the man. Have some respect for your fellow Town fan and accept people have different opinions. |  |
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| Voter ID on 20:14 - May 12 with 1686 views | m14_blue |
| Voter ID on 16:24 - May 12 by 26_Paz |
Completely agree.
Those who think this is some kind of nefarious attempt at ‘cheating’ by the Tories need to consider that it tends to be older people who won’t have a passport or driving licence. Older people overwhelmingly vote Tory so if the Tories are doing this to try and ‘steal’ elections it would make no sense whatsoever! |
Why do you think they’re doing this then?
Even assuming that your premise is right, how on earth can you be in favour of disenfranchising those people?
You shouldn’t have to pay in order to vote, it’s a disgraceful idea whatever the motivation. | | | |
| Voter ID on 20:58 - May 12 with 1666 views | HARRY10 |
| Voter ID on 20:00 - May 12 by The_Last_Baron |
Play the ball, not the man. Have some respect for your fellow Town fan and accept people have different opinions. |
Where has there been comment of not accepting " people have different opinions. "
Comments have been made about the opinion(s) expressed - quite a difference
So why not reply to what is posted...... play the comment, not your spin
...and regularly posting on this forum does not unconditionally qualify someone respect | | | |
| Voter ID on 21:11 - May 12 with 1658 views | HARRY10 |
Meanwhile a government spokesman has sought to reassure the public that there is no need for any concern in this matter as they will be able to apply for a free voter card from their local authority.
All they will need is one basic form of identity, that is acceptable.
One that is acceptable to the local authority but not the voting station
The spokesman denied the suggestion that some local authorities may demand, that to reduce any risk of fraud when issuing voter cards, applicants might have to produce photo ID. | | | |
| Voter ID on 08:19 - May 13 with 1599 views | 26_Paz |
| Voter ID on 20:14 - May 12 by m14_blue |
Why do you think they’re doing this then?
Even assuming that your premise is right, how on earth can you be in favour of disenfranchising those people?
You shouldn’t have to pay in order to vote, it’s a disgraceful idea whatever the motivation. |
Maybe, just maybe, they are seeking to ensure free and fair elections.
Why would a party that has one the last four general elections suddenly decide they can’t win anymore unless they rig the system? |  |
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| Voter ID on 08:26 - May 13 with 1595 views | WeWereZombies |
| Voter ID on 08:19 - May 13 by 26_Paz |
Maybe, just maybe, they are seeking to ensure free and fair elections.
Why would a party that has one the last four general elections suddenly decide they can’t win anymore unless they rig the system? |
I think you mean 'won' rather than 'one' but anyway, dodgy administrations that have learnt how to game a system have a tendency to fix the system further so that they can continue to game it. All very obvious. |  |
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| Voter ID on 08:53 - May 13 with 1573 views | HARRY10 |
| Voter ID on 08:19 - May 13 by 26_Paz |
Maybe, just maybe, they are seeking to ensure free and fair elections.
Why would a party that has one the last four general elections suddenly decide they can’t win anymore unless they rig the system? |
Are we to assume then, that without voter ID, the Hartlepool by election was not free and fair ?
What should now be done ? | | | |
| Voter ID on 09:00 - May 13 with 1556 views | 26_Paz |
| Voter ID on 08:53 - May 13 by HARRY10 |
Are we to assume then, that without voter ID, the Hartlepool by election was not free and fair ?
What should now be done ? |
I think a 7000 majority can be assumed as safe if I’m honest. | |
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| Voter ID on 09:02 - May 13 with 1550 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Voter ID on 09:00 - May 13 by 26_Paz |
I think a 7000 majority can be assumed as safe if I’m honest. |
Ah, safety rests on the size of the majority.
Russia must hold some of the safest elections in the world. |  |
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| Voter ID on 09:07 - May 13 with 1543 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Voter ID on 09:00 - May 13 by 26_Paz |
I think a 7000 majority can be assumed as safe if I’m honest. |
And so the qualification starts - if there were 6 fraudulent votes in the Hartlepool by-election that's ok then?
So are you saying that fraudulent votes are only important in close elections? |  |
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| Voter ID on 09:23 - May 13 with 1527 views | 26_Paz |
| Voter ID on 09:07 - May 13 by Ewan_Oozami |
And so the qualification starts - if there were 6 fraudulent votes in the Hartlepool by-election that's ok then?
So are you saying that fraudulent votes are only important in close elections? |
They are more concerning in close elections | |
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| Voter ID on 09:33 - May 13 with 1510 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Voter ID on 09:23 - May 13 by 26_Paz |
They are more concerning in close elections |
Why? | |
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| Voter ID on 09:37 - May 13 with 1500 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Voter ID on 09:23 - May 13 by 26_Paz |
They are more concerning in close elections |
So, potential fraudsters need to know a particular election will be close and then arrange everything in good time so the fraud can be implemented to affect the election?
If they know an election may be close, why not just put a bit of extra effort into targetted convassing, probably a more effective way to gain votes, rather than risk getting caught doing election fraud?
And close elections are more closely scrutinised for incidents of fraud anyway... | |
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| Voter ID on 09:38 - May 13 with 1500 views | WeWereZombies |
Paz has a fair question, if the pollsters indicate that an election is going to be close then the dirty tricks brigade get going on pressure points to sway the result. There are many good people in the Conservative Party but it has more than its share of dodgy operators too. | |
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| Voter ID on 09:51 - May 13 with 1487 views | m14_blue |
| Voter ID on 08:19 - May 13 by 26_Paz |
Maybe, just maybe, they are seeking to ensure free and fair elections.
Why would a party that has one the last four general elections suddenly decide they can’t win anymore unless they rig the system? |
You surely can't be that naive?
There's absolutely zero evidence that voter fraud is an issue. There are more ongoing investigations into Boris Johnson's conduct than there were convictions for voter fraud at the last election.
Obviously it's possible for individuals to commit fraud but the impact of this on our democracy, when set aside potentially disenfranchising millions of voters, is so miniscule as to be laughable.
The government are too busy focussing on the country's recovery to even consider talking about Scottish independence or a public inquiry into their failings, so how on earth have they got time and energy to indulge in this Trumpian b0ll0cks? | | | |
| Voter ID on 11:26 - May 13 with 1469 views | HARRY10 |
I might help if so actually understood how inaccurate voter count is. I have yet to see a recount at a general election that produces the same figures within a very small margin
All that lickspittles like paz and others have done is demonstrated where the real problems lie - a willingness to regurgitate whatever they are told is now the party line. Irrespective of how absurd much of it is.
I suspect this is being trailed so as to distract from recent interference from Russia, and the dubious activities of the Leave campaign. | | | |
| Voter ID on 19:07 - May 13 with 1414 views | 26_Paz |
| Voter ID on 09:38 - May 13 by WeWereZombies |
Paz has a fair question, if the pollsters indicate that an election is going to be close then the dirty tricks brigade get going on pressure points to sway the result. There are many good people in the Conservative Party but it has more than its share of dodgy operators too. |
You’ve needed ID to vote in Northern Ireland since 2002. Haven’t heard much about it so can only assume whatever system they have works relatively well. Surely just copy that. | |
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| Voter ID on 19:31 - May 13 with 1400 views | HotShotHamish |
| Voter ID on 19:36 - May 12 by HARRY10 |
Johnson has hit back tonight ovet his unpaid debt
"The debt was supposed to have been paid by some chappy I gave an MBE to,
or was it his friend ........... one of them anyway ?
which was declared by me .............................personally this afternoon, along with some other misunderstanding about gift from a Sheikh rat el enroul, who some are now claiming it was about buying a football club
Whatever it is, it is a monstrous extrusionace of piffle waffle, piled on top of all those other allegations that have no grounding in truth either
..................apart from the ones that do
And I have called on my fellow old Etonian Mr Cameron to act as a character witness, were this to come to court, which it won't as I shall prorogue any court that does.....................
and if not, offer the judge a peerage " |
Must be difficult always being wrong, as proven by the fact the judgement has been quashed and the plaintiff being a person with form for making up lurid claims.
It wasn't you was it? | | | |
| Voter ID on 20:08 - May 13 with 1381 views | HARRY10 |
| Voter ID on 19:31 - May 13 by HotShotHamish |
Must be difficult always being wrong, as proven by the fact the judgement has been quashed and the plaintiff being a person with form for making up lurid claims.
It wasn't you was it? |
I appreciate that being a righty you will regularly get things wrong,but even you should have been able to grasp that the pi ss take was in the context of Johnsons numerous other dodgy dealings...which are currently under investigation
but well done, not every rightie is so fixated on trying to defend his 'betters'
"reasonable grounds” to suspect multiple offences may have been committed" refurbishment bungs
lobbying for the Saudis to buy NUFC
"The UK's sleaze watchdog is investigating whether Boris Johnson broke parliamentary rules amid conflicting accounts over who paid for a £15,000 holiday he took
failing to declare part ownership of a house in Somerset
failing to declare outside earnings
160,000 donation he trousered for a supposed game of tennis with Mrs Chernukhin, whose husband Vladimir was deputy finance minister under Mr Putin
" “Our investigation will consider whether Boris Johnson conducted himself in a way that’s expected from anyone in that position,” Floozygate
the above is the context, one that suggests fatboy has not been scrupulously honest, and that various monies seem to find themselves 'merely resting' in his back pocket | | | |
| Voter ID on 20:15 - May 13 with 1371 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Voter ID on 19:07 - May 13 by 26_Paz |
You’ve needed ID to vote in Northern Ireland since 2002. Haven’t heard much about it so can only assume whatever system they have works relatively well. Surely just copy that. |
If they copy what they did in NI, which lost 10% of registered voters after the id card came into force, if the same % applies, the UK would lose approx 4.5 MILLION potential voters off the electoral roll..... | |
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| Voter ID on 20:47 - May 13 with 1359 views | HARRY10 |
| Voter ID on 20:15 - May 13 by Ewan_Oozami |
If they copy what they did in NI, which lost 10% of registered voters after the id card came into force, if the same % applies, the UK would lose approx 4.5 MILLION potential voters off the electoral roll..... |
The publics faith in NI elections was low, with evidence of systemic fraud. That has not, and is not the case in mainland Britain.
In fact since the introduction of voter ID in NI confidence the electoral process is now only reaching mainland levels of confidence.
The danger with this nonsense is it distracts from the main area of concern - postal votes. As what we have seen is the gullible popping up to defend their betters with claims that they have been told to use, as I have yet to read anything that suggests the defender has any idea of what this entails, or the implications.
Instead it suggests that it is merely a sop to the right of the party who believe that there is considerable voter corruption in Pakistan communities.
If there is a case to be made then lets have it out in the open, and investigated. Not have it swept under the carpet by this ill-informed stupidity | | | |
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