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mcarthy's legacy on 10:15 - May 12 with 2163 views

and if andoh doesn't re-sign, there'll be as many hurst signings at the club as lambert signings...

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mcarthy's legacy on 10:31 - May 12 with 2079 views

MattinLondon

Not really surprising as all of his good signings have either left for better moves or are getting on a bit now. And it’s been a fair while since he’s been the manager.

mcarthy's legacy on 10:40 - May 12 with 2046 views

mcarthy's legacy on 10:31 - May 12 by MattinLondon
Not really surprising as all of his good signings have either left for better moves or are getting on a bit now. And it’s been a fair while since he’s been the manager.

true, still a big turnover in 3 years; was more surprised at the lambert/hurst comparison.

after criticising the reliance on loanees so heavily, lambert ended up with half of his 20 signings as loanees...

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mcarthy's legacy on 10:41 - May 12 with 2037 views

TieDyedIn95

After the clear-out, players who were on our books while Mick was here are still ...

Teddy Bishop
Myles Kenlock
Andre Dozzell
Aaron Drinan
Corrie Ndaba
Luke Wolfenden
Flynn Downes
Jack Lankester
Armando Dobra

So that's roughly 45% of our current playing staff still, after clearouts.

[Post edited 12 May 2021 10:42]

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mcarthy's legacy on 10:48 - May 12 with 1997 views

mcarthy's legacy on 10:41 - May 12 by TieDyedIn95
After the clear-out, players who were on our books while Mick was here are still ... Teddy Bishop Myles Kenlock Andre Dozzell Aaron Drinan Corrie Ndaba Luke Wolfenden Flynn Downes Jack Lankester Armando Dobra So that's roughly 45% of our current playing staff still, after clearouts. [Post edited 12 May 2021 10:42]

apart from bishop and kenlock, none of those had significant playing time while mick was here. 4 of them didn't even make their debuts under him.

i think they're more klug/nash's legacy

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mcarthy's legacy on 10:59 - May 12 with 1938 views

itfcjoe

mcarthy's legacy on 10:41 - May 12 by TieDyedIn95
After the clear-out, players who were on our books while Mick was here are still ... Teddy Bishop Myles Kenlock Andre Dozzell Aaron Drinan Corrie Ndaba Luke Wolfenden Flynn Downes Jack Lankester Armando Dobra So that's roughly 45% of our current playing staff still, after clearouts. [Post edited 12 May 2021 10:42]

Ndaba, Woolfie, Lankester and Dobra were nowhere near anything under Mick - so can't really be his legacy. The latter 2 hadn't even played for the U23s by the time he left

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mcarthy's legacy on 11:04 - May 12 with 1893 views

Swansea_Blue

mcarthy's legacy on 10:40 - May 12 by positivity
true, still a big turnover in 3 years; was more surprised at the lambert/hurst comparison. after criticising the reliance on loanees so heavily, lambert ended up with half of his 20 signings as loanees...

I think Lambert ran out of ideas and thought the loans gave him a better chance of finding a better quality of player. He was probably also hampered by the conditions he was working under, but he still failed miserably to find promising talent on the cheap (Mick did much better in that regard).

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mcarthy's legacy on 11:10 - May 12 with 1859 views

catch74

Didn’t Mick and the players liken him to a young Murphy?
Perhaps he’s good in training, Lambert giving him a free hit as his main gripe has been lack of service to the striker. He’s surely got to go out on loan and play regularly, thought he started the season well.

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mcarthy's legacy on 11:25 - May 12 with 1780 views

MattinLondon

mcarthy's legacy on 10:40 - May 12 by positivity
true, still a big turnover in 3 years; was more surprised at the lambert/hurst comparison. after criticising the reliance on loanees so heavily, lambert ended up with half of his 20 signings as loanees...

Think Lamberts transfer dealings are more a matter for his legacy rather than Micks.

Micks legacy should be turning a L1 bound team into a playoff team. A good championship manager.

mcarthy's legacy on 11:30 - May 12 with 1751 views

mcarthy's legacy on 11:25 - May 12 by MattinLondon
Think Lamberts transfer dealings are more a matter for his legacy rather than Micks. Micks legacy should be turning a L1 bound team into a playoff team. A good championship manager.

and then back into a l1 bound team again! a good championship manager in the short term.

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mcarthy's legacy on 11:39 - May 12 with 1717 views

TieDyedIn95

mcarthy's legacy on 10:59 - May 12 by itfcjoe
Ndaba, Woolfie, Lankester and Dobra were nowhere near anything under Mick - so can't really be his legacy. The latter 2 hadn't even played for the U23s by the time he left

Wolfenden played more games under Mick then he did Hurst... ha!

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mcarthy's legacy on 11:41 - May 12 with 1703 views

MattinLondon

mcarthy's legacy on 11:30 - May 12 by positivity
and then back into a l1 bound team again! a good championship manager in the short term.

I agree in terms of short term only.

mcarthy's legacy on 11:46 - May 12 with 1682 views

mcarthy's legacy on 11:39 - May 12 by TieDyedIn95
Wolfenden played more games under Mick then he did Hurst... ha!

if we're being pedantic, he had more league games for hurst than mick, but many more for klug/nash than either, so they get the credit!

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mcarthy's legacy on 11:48 - May 12 with 1660 views

chrismakin

mcarthy's legacy on 11:39 - May 12 by TieDyedIn95
Wolfenden played more games under Mick then he did Hurst... ha!

Wolfenden goes into his most important season as a town player next season

With Baggott waiting in the wings, Wolfy needs to step up. I can't see Wolfenden being the senior CB next season - I still expect it to be Dunkley. So that 2nd CB space will be there for the taking.

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mcarthy's legacy on 12:36 - May 12 with 1551 views

mcarthy's legacy on 11:30 - May 12 by positivity
and then back into a l1 bound team again! a good championship manager in the short term.

We finished 12th the season he left.

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mcarthy's legacy on 12:45 - May 12 with 1528 views

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mcarthy's legacy on 12:36 - May 12 by Herbivore
We finished 12th the season he left.

Yes, 4 points closer to the playoffs than we were to relegation but I suppose that 19 points above relegation was a bit close.

mcarthy's legacy on 12:54 - May 12 with 1487 views

mcarthy's legacy on 12:36 - May 12 by Herbivore
We finished 12th the season he left.

our form after the first 4 games to mick's exit was poor, if he'd stayed on with the inevitable departures of didzy & waghorn then league 1 was where we'd have ended up. he stayed a season too long

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mcarthy's legacy on 12:58 - May 12 with 1464 views

PJH

mcarthy's legacy on 12:54 - May 12 by positivity
our form after the first 4 games to mick's exit was poor, if he'd stayed on with the inevitable departures of didzy & waghorn then league 1 was where we'd have ended up. he stayed a season too long

Oh good, the first four games don't count theory.

If you discount his last four losses he won three and drew two of his last five games and only lost one of his last ten.

mcarthy's legacy on 13:01 - May 12 with 1444 views

Chrisd

mcarthy's legacy on 10:41 - May 12 by TieDyedIn95
After the clear-out, players who were on our books while Mick was here are still ... Teddy Bishop Myles Kenlock Andre Dozzell Aaron Drinan Corrie Ndaba Luke Wolfenden Flynn Downes Jack Lankester Armando Dobra So that's roughly 45% of our current playing staff still, after clearouts. [Post edited 12 May 2021 10:42]

A very tenuous link for those younger players you’ve listed.

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mcarthy's legacy on 14:00 - May 12 with 1367 views

mcarthy's legacy on 12:54 - May 12 by positivity
our form after the first 4 games to mick's exit was poor, if he'd stayed on with the inevitable departures of didzy & waghorn then league 1 was where we'd have ended up. he stayed a season too long

That's pretty desperate stuff there.

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mcarthy's legacy on 14:54 - May 12 with 1268 views

mcarthy's legacy on 14:00 - May 12 by Herbivore
That's pretty desperate stuff there.

it was pretty desperate football too after that start!

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mcarthy's legacy on 15:00 - May 12 with 1243 views

mcarthy's legacy on 14:54 - May 12 by positivity
it was pretty desperate football too after that start!

Was it though? Our form tailed off quite badly after Christmas but we were still in with a sniff of the top 6 up to a few weeks before McCarthy left. There were some good performances along the way as well. The idea that he left us destined for League 1 is just nonsense really. Hurst and Lambert are responsible for where this club is now, not Mick.

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mcarthy's legacy on 15:08 - May 12 with 1213 views

mcarthy's legacy on 15:00 - May 12 by Herbivore
Was it though? Our form tailed off quite badly after Christmas but we were still in with a sniff of the top 6 up to a few weeks before McCarthy left. There were some good performances along the way as well. The idea that he left us destined for League 1 is just nonsense really. Hurst and Lambert are responsible for where this club is now, not Mick.

last 20 games, 21 points. relegation form.

desperate and turgid football, and with a team he'd entirely brought in or blooded (except chambers)

mick, hurst and lambert all responsible (one person was responsibe for all 3 of course!)

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mcarthy's legacy on 15:14 - May 12 with 1194 views