| Maybe Cook hasn’t told the like of Downes, Dozzell Jr 10:39 - May 14 with 20435 views | Vic |
Woolfie, KVY and Dobra that he doesn’t want them. It could well be that he’s sat them down and said ‘Here’s the deal Luke, I know I’ve been tough and said some harsh things, and I will be bringing in a whole batch of new players. But I’d like you to stay and be part of this, however, if after this season you want to go I will understand that and won’t stand in your way.’
I think that’s quite feasible and very different to saying he wants them out. I mean, it’s clear he rates them, and Norwood, so why would he bin them? I think there’s more to this than we think, and I wonder if we’ve got the wrong end of the stick. Clearly Watson and Warren know more than they are letting on at the moment. They are running the story in a way that generates clicks for their paper (it’s what they are paid for), but they said themselves in the podcast that there’s things they know but haven’t said. [Post edited 14 May 2021 10:41]
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| We can't lose sight of the fact that.... on 11:14 - May 14 with 3937 views | Beckets |
| We can't lose sight of the fact that.... on 11:09 - May 14 by Bloots |
...this squad of players have finished mid table in the 3rd Division two seasons in a row.
Obviously there are extenuating circumstances for a few of them (KVY and Norwood mainly) but the facts are there for all to see.
There have been very few games where any of our players have stood out against the opposition players in an incredibly mediocre league.
We are fortunately in a position where we can do something about it.
I don't for a minute expect them all to leave, but the conversations have definitely been as reported. |
I find it hard to believe that Cook doesn’t want a fit KVY at right back next season and I expect him to have told Kane as much. If he hasn’t then he’s clueless. |  | | |
| Maybe Cook hasn’t told the like of Downes, Dozzell Jr on 11:18 - May 14 with 3920 views | PositivelyPortman |
| Maybe Cook hasn’t told the like of Downes, Dozzell Jr on 10:51 - May 14 by 66notout |
It’s not that Cook doesn’t want Downes - it’s Downes that doesn’t want to work for Cook. |
One or two other clubs show a slight interest and he thinks that he’s billy big bollox.
Ideas above his station I reckon for someone that can only tackle. |  |
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| Maybe Cook hasn’t told the like of Downes, Dozzell Jr on 11:20 - May 14 with 3902 views | chrismakin |
| Maybe Cook hasn’t told the like of Downes, Dozzell Jr on 10:51 - May 14 by 66notout |
It’s not that Cook doesn’t want Downes - it’s Downes that doesn’t want to work for Cook. |
nice twist of Downes continues to want to leave the club lol |  |
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| Maybe Cook hasn’t told the like of Downes, Dozzell Jr on 11:21 - May 14 with 3903 views | positivity |
| Maybe Cook hasn’t told the like of Downes, Dozzell Jr on 10:51 - May 14 by 66notout |
It’s not that Cook doesn’t want Downes - it’s Downes that doesn’t want to work for Cook. |
more that downes doesn't want to play in league one, he wanted out under lambert too. |  |
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| I've literally just heard from.... on 11:22 - May 14 with 3898 views | PositivelyPortman |
| I've literally just heard from.... on 11:07 - May 14 by BlueWorldOrder |
Downes and Dozzell in particular need to push on with their careers now, a Championship relegation and two seasons stuck in the middle of this league has done nothing for them. West Ham would be an ideal place for both, with maybe a loan down to the Championship. Wolfie still needs time at this level I feel. He could be as good as Webster if coached right. |
West Ham wouldn’t have them even as bench warmers. | |
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| We can't lose sight of the fact that.... on 11:25 - May 14 with 3878 views | chrismakin |
| We can't lose sight of the fact that.... on 11:14 - May 14 by Beckets |
I find it hard to believe that Cook doesn’t want a fit KVY at right back next season and I expect him to have told Kane as much. If he hasn’t then he’s clueless. |
As you know, I love KVY,
IF he is included in this, perhaps its more injury based thoughts rather than playing ability
For example
We wouldn't, be say we brought in Kyle Walker, he'd be first choice RB, because KVY is injured. Kvy back again, you've got 2 first choice RB's. Then of course you'd need a back up, say Donacien.. incase KVY was injured again and the other first choice Kyle also picked up an injury, you've got yourselves 3 RB's, because you can't trust your immidiate first choice in KVY to keep injury free.
Just a theory BTW, shoulder injury clearly nothing to do with legs clearly. But is his body made of glass etc etc.... You COULD see why it might be discussed behind the scenes
I hope not though, as Injury free, I still expect to see KVY in the prem in the not to distant future. | |
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| I've literally just heard from.... on 11:25 - May 14 with 3882 views | Butterbing |
| I've literally just heard from.... on 10:59 - May 14 by ghostofescobar |
If my employers told me that I can leave, that would not give me the warm, fuzzy feeling that they want me to stay. |
What if they said "Have a couple of weeks off and think about whether you want to be here. If you don't want to be here then you should leave"? |  | | |
| We can't lose sight of the fact that.... on 11:37 - May 14 with 3851 views | Garv |
| We can't lose sight of the fact that.... on 11:25 - May 14 by chrismakin |
As you know, I love KVY,
IF he is included in this, perhaps its more injury based thoughts rather than playing ability
For example
We wouldn't, be say we brought in Kyle Walker, he'd be first choice RB, because KVY is injured. Kvy back again, you've got 2 first choice RB's. Then of course you'd need a back up, say Donacien.. incase KVY was injured again and the other first choice Kyle also picked up an injury, you've got yourselves 3 RB's, because you can't trust your immidiate first choice in KVY to keep injury free.
Just a theory BTW, shoulder injury clearly nothing to do with legs clearly. But is his body made of glass etc etc.... You COULD see why it might be discussed behind the scenes
I hope not though, as Injury free, I still expect to see KVY in the prem in the not to distant future. |
Prem? Steady on! |  |
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| We can't lose sight of the fact that.... on 11:41 - May 14 with 3836 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| We can't lose sight of the fact that.... on 11:14 - May 14 by Beckets |
I find it hard to believe that Cook doesn’t want a fit KVY at right back next season and I expect him to have told Kane as much. If he hasn’t then he’s clueless. |
Indeed. This is why the "you can all leave" story is missing some nuance. There's no way he's told KVY he can leave. |  |
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| Maybe Cook hasn’t told the like of Downes, Dozzell Jr on 11:41 - May 14 with 3839 views | ITFC_96 |
In what way is "Cook tells vast majority of Ipswich Town squad to find new clubs" not clear? If anything, you are twisting his words at this point. If any of this wasn't true then the players would have clarified the situation themselves, and EADT wouldn't have cited that they have at least 10 separate sources for this information. | | | |
| I've literally just heard from.... on 11:43 - May 14 with 3847 views | itfcjoe |
| I've literally just heard from.... on 10:45 - May 14 by Bloots |
....the most reliable of sources that all the first team squad have indeed been told they can leave for the right offer.
They have all been told the same thing, all of them.
Obviously "the right offer" will vary from player to player.
I know this isn't "news" in the slightest, but it's definitely true.
Jackson in particular has been told that he was categorically only being offered an extension so that we can recoup some money. |
I've been told, almost from horses mouth, that some players, including at least one mentioned by OP, have been told that even if they aren't sold before pre season they won't be involved in pre season and won't play for club again as loans etc will be arranged.
Others who have been on loan have been told they have one opportunity to impress or they will also be out the door. |  |
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| I've literally just heard from.... on 11:44 - May 14 with 3834 views | itfcjoe |
| I've literally just heard from.... on 10:58 - May 14 by Radlett_blue |
Jackson wasn't "offered" an extension. Town triggered it so as to retain some transfer value for a player who reportedly attracted bids of over £1m last summer, although we'd be lucky to get half that now. |
We are apparently looking for £250k, so in that case was worth taking up option | |
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| I've literally just heard from.... on 11:54 - May 14 with 3788 views | stonojnr |
| I've literally just heard from.... on 10:51 - May 14 by Vic |
I don’t doubt that for a moment. But saying you CAN leave is different to saying that he wants them to leave. |
FWIW I think people are dancing on the head of a pin on this to try to justify Cooks decisions.
I said yesterday I dont believe Watson would embellish this story in a way to generate clicks like that, it wont anyway generate more clicks because by and large the catchment for Town stories about players is going to be the same whether only some players get told to leave or lots get told to leave.
If theyd wanted to game the algorithm they just needed to add a paragraph that said Town players were disappointed to hear they wont get to wear next seasons shirt with Ed Sheeran sponsorship as they were told to find new clubs. | | | |
| I've literally just heard from.... on 11:54 - May 14 with 3785 views | pointofblue |
| I've literally just heard from.... on 11:14 - May 14 by chrismakin |
Wolfenden and Downes are the two Im dissapointed about
Downes however we know wants to go, im sure if he didn't PC would want him
Wolfenden, such an average season, never looked as comfortable as when he first came onto the scene despite gaining more experience.. |
On the latter, mainly because he had to be a babysitter for the season despite barely being out of nappies (in footballing terms) himself. | |
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| I've literally just heard from.... on 12:02 - May 14 with 3772 views | Radlett_blue |
| I've literally just heard from.... on 11:43 - May 14 by itfcjoe |
I've been told, almost from horses mouth, that some players, including at least one mentioned by OP, have been told that even if they aren't sold before pre season they won't be involved in pre season and won't play for club again as loans etc will be arranged.
Others who have been on loan have been told they have one opportunity to impress or they will also be out the door. |
Well, either Cook is a hopeless man manager or most of Town's remaining players are useless and lazy.
Hard to draw any other conclusion. |  |
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| Not really.... on 12:02 - May 14 with 3767 views | Darth_Koont |
| Not really.... on 10:57 - May 14 by Bloots |
....if you are telling someone that they can leave, it plainly means you don't really want them to stay.
I'd say that instead of putting our players for sale in a West End boutique with a massive mark up and getting top dollar for them, we are basically taking them to the local boot sale and saying make me an offer and you can have them.
Every player is an asset, whether they are worth £50k or £5m.
We are still a business after all. |
You’re overthinking it.
I can’t remember when any Ipswich player wasn’t for sale for the “right offer”. And by saying the same thing to everyone then it’s clearly a general message. |  |
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| I've literally just heard from.... on 12:03 - May 14 with 3754 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| I've literally just heard from.... on 11:43 - May 14 by itfcjoe |
I've been told, almost from horses mouth, that some players, including at least one mentioned by OP, have been told that even if they aren't sold before pre season they won't be involved in pre season and won't play for club again as loans etc will be arranged.
Others who have been on loan have been told they have one opportunity to impress or they will also be out the door. |
Yesterday I was quite uneasy about some being told they can leave, but no one really stepped up when it mattered. |  |
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| I've literally just heard from.... on 12:03 - May 14 with 3754 views | ITFC_96 |
| I've literally just heard from.... on 12:02 - May 14 by Radlett_blue |
Well, either Cook is a hopeless man manager or most of Town's remaining players are useless and lazy.
Hard to draw any other conclusion. |
Considering even Lambert got a better tune out of these same players (in fact, with some of them out due to injury this season), the case isn't looking good for Cook so far. | | | |
| Not really.... on 12:04 - May 14 with 3742 views | itfcjoe |
| Not really.... on 12:02 - May 14 by Darth_Koont |
You’re overthinking it.
I can’t remember when any Ipswich player wasn’t for sale for the “right offer”. And by saying the same thing to everyone then it’s clearly a general message. |
Being for sale at the right price is very different to being told to find a new club and the majority of the squad are in the latter camp | |
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| Maybe Cook hasn’t told the like of Downes, Dozzell Jr on 12:04 - May 14 with 3730 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Downes wants out anyway, and aside from KVY and Dobra, did anyone step up when it mattered? | |
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| Not really.... on 12:11 - May 14 with 3686 views | Darth_Koont |
| Not really.... on 12:04 - May 14 by itfcjoe |
Being for sale at the right price is very different to being told to find a new club and the majority of the squad are in the latter camp |
I'd keep..... by Darth_Koont 14 May 2021 10:59People need to read past the headline. The article totally avoids addressing the context of how this was said, something Watson himself admits separately in a tweet that says there may be mind games/sending out a message.
Did Cook say “You need to find a new club because I’m not going to play you” to the vast majority of players? Or did he say, “If you don’t want to be here, you need to find a new club”?
Massive difference and I’m guessing Cook may well have said both (and even a mix of both) depending on the individual.
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| I've literally just heard from.... on 12:15 - May 14 with 3663 views | chrismakin |
| I've literally just heard from.... on 12:03 - May 14 by ITFC_96 |
Considering even Lambert got a better tune out of these same players (in fact, with some of them out due to injury this season), the case isn't looking good for Cook so far. |
The case hasn't even been opened for cook yet, it opens in june when we start seeing who comes in, and then his first pre season as manager begins. | |
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| Not really.... on 12:27 - May 14 with 3615 views | itfcjoe |
| Not really.... on 12:11 - May 14 by Darth_Koont |
I'd keep..... by Darth_Koont 14 May 2021 10:59People need to read past the headline. The article totally avoids addressing the context of how this was said, something Watson himself admits separately in a tweet that says there may be mind games/sending out a message.
Did Cook say “You need to find a new club because I’m not going to play you” to the vast majority of players? Or did he say, “If you don’t want to be here, you need to find a new club”?
Massive difference and I’m guessing Cook may well have said both (and even a mix of both) depending on the individual.
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For the majority, its the first one "you need to find a new club because I'm not going to play you" | |
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| Not really.... on 12:31 - May 14 with 3600 views | hype313 |
| Not really.... on 12:27 - May 14 by itfcjoe |
For the majority, its the first one "you need to find a new club because I'm not going to play you" |
So realistically the only player that we can conceivably think would be a starter for the opener is KVY? Or has he been told to back his bags too?
if nothing else, it's going to be fascinating to see how this all pans out. |  |
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| Maybe Cook hasn’t told the like of Downes, Dozzell Jr on 12:31 - May 14 with 3603 views | maccyd9 |
He definitely wants them out. He has 12 months max in his job if he doesn't get us up or a close 3rd with a record points total for not going up.
Not one of those players (maybe Norwood aside) showed anything like being good enough to feature regularly in a side wanting promotion and Cook knows that. He's seen what a promotion squad looks like.
I just don't get the outrage regarding Dozzell, Downes, Bishop and Woolf. If anyone can recall one game in which any of those dominated it then I'd love to know it.
Wilson was our player of the year and Holy second. That alone tells you that none of those would be missed and had they not come through the academy, nobody would care one iota.
They are 22, not kids anymore. They have a relegation and 2 mid table 3rd tier finishes on their CV and all play in a position which dictates games.
I'd get shot of them all if I was Cook and had essentially 12 months max to make it work. | | | |
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