| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government 15:35 - May 17 with 6443 views | StokieBlue |
This is an utterly ridiculous stance:
"Don't travel to amber countries even though it's legal".
If they don't want people to travel to them then move them all onto red or not allowed at all. It's ridiculous, the mixed messages are just pathetic and they are pushing the decision making onto the public rather than make the difficult decisions themselves.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/17/dont-travel-to-amber-list-count
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| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 17:05 - May 17 with 1705 views | GaryCooper |
| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:48 - May 17 by SpruceMoose |
The interesting bit is still here. The posts crying about Tory voters having a bad reputation and taking flak for excusing all manner corruption and ineptitude within their party were the bits that got pulled. |
Nope, wrong again, the posts that got pulled contained one that called Sir Captain Tom a C**T. |  | | |
| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 17:26 - May 17 with 1652 views | HighgateBlue |
But this is what they've been doing for over a year now.
"Don't do X even though it's legal" has been the government's stance on so many things.
A million and one things have been lawful, and yet have been contrary to advice/guidance. For example, when outdoor socialising has been allowed, there has been no law preventing hugging. It has just been contrary to the guidance to practise social distancing where possible. |  | | |
| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 17:28 - May 17 with 1645 views | HARRY10 |
| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:16 - May 17 by GaryCooper |
We do not have 'relatively few' in the areas with spikes though, 48% take up is shocking. |
I know this is probably a silly question to ask
but could you point us all to where you read that figure of 48%
and are there any pictures of these spikes, as I would like to avoid them - do yourself a right mischief if you sat on one |  | | |
| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 17:28 - May 17 with 1645 views | Herbivore |
| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 17:05 - May 17 by GaryCooper |
Nope, wrong again, the posts that got pulled contained one that called Sir Captain Tom a C**T. |
Bit of an embellishment that, Gaz. |  |
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| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 17:28 - May 17 with 1640 views | SpruceMoose |
| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 17:05 - May 17 by GaryCooper |
Nope, wrong again, the posts that got pulled contained one that called Sir Captain Tom a C**T. |
Without intending to upset you Gazza, that's a stone cold lie. Mind you, I probably don't need to point that out. Seeing as it came from the board's weapons grade lunatic then nobody in their right mind is likely to believe it anyway. [Post edited 17 May 2021 17:35]
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 17:43 - May 17 with 1602 views | TractorWood |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57138371
'I can't wait to go to Portugal and have a glass of wine on the balcony'.
The narrative is perfectly shaped to blame the public in 6 weeks time. |  |
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| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 17:52 - May 17 with 1578 views | SpruceMoose |
They might not be culpable for as large a portion of the blame as the government, but they will have to own a small slice in my eyes. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 17:57 - May 17 with 1568 views | Herbivore |
| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 17:52 - May 17 by SpruceMoose |
They might not be culpable for as large a portion of the blame as the government, but they will have to own a small slice in my eyes. |
Indeed. It's hard to argue that people "priced in" that Johnson and his colleagues were a bunch of lying incompetents on the one hand, whilst on the other hand pleading innocence and saying "but the government said it was okay" as an excuse for going on holiday in the middle of a global pandemic. There's no chance I'm going overseas until next year at the earliest, hopefully by which time it'll be genuinely safe to do so. | |
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| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 18:03 - May 17 with 1558 views | footers |
| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 17:57 - May 17 by Herbivore |
Indeed. It's hard to argue that people "priced in" that Johnson and his colleagues were a bunch of lying incompetents on the one hand, whilst on the other hand pleading innocence and saying "but the government said it was okay" as an excuse for going on holiday in the middle of a global pandemic. There's no chance I'm going overseas until next year at the earliest, hopefully by which time it'll be genuinely safe to do so. |
Anyone who entrusts their life to Johnson is, well, a bit of a Johnson and has everything they have coming to them.
But, of course, it's very important for everyone's mental health to get pissed up abroad.
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| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 18:06 - May 17 with 1556 views | Wacko |
Because there's more to travelling than simply holidays. People commute across borders for work regularly. I have a project next week where I'm flying in 4 people from abroad and they will be working in isolation for 2 weeks then flying back. Without going into any detail, these are roles that can't really be filled by anyone else. I also have a work trip to Barcelona lined up in July, that can't exactly be replaced by anything else local.
So yes, for once I'm defending the government. Travelling just to get a tan and a hangover should be strongly discouraged, but you shouldn't stop travel altogether. | |
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| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 18:15 - May 17 with 1542 views | bluelagos |
| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 18:06 - May 17 by Wacko |
Because there's more to travelling than simply holidays. People commute across borders for work regularly. I have a project next week where I'm flying in 4 people from abroad and they will be working in isolation for 2 weeks then flying back. Without going into any detail, these are roles that can't really be filled by anyone else. I also have a work trip to Barcelona lined up in July, that can't exactly be replaced by anything else local.
So yes, for once I'm defending the government. Travelling just to get a tan and a hangover should be strongly discouraged, but you shouldn't stop travel altogether. |
You could do that last week. The relaxation of rules relates to tourism, which is what they are now allowing yet telling people they shouldn't do (For amber countries)
So the point stands - the govt are again allowing people to do things that they are telling them not to do. |  |
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| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 18:23 - May 17 with 1544 views | Wacko |
| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 18:15 - May 17 by bluelagos |
You could do that last week. The relaxation of rules relates to tourism, which is what they are now allowing yet telling people they shouldn't do (For amber countries)
So the point stands - the govt are again allowing people to do things that they are telling them not to do. |
I don't think they are, but this is perhaps a matter of semantics.
The way I read it, the places the government are saying are open for tourism are on the green list - which didn't exist last week. Amber countries haven't changed - this is still essential travel only, but obviously you can't police this for sure, just like you couldn't police it last week either
Edit: changed "check" to "police" [Post edited 17 May 2021 18:25]
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| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 18:25 - May 17 with 1536 views | bluelagos |
| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 18:23 - May 17 by Wacko |
I don't think they are, but this is perhaps a matter of semantics.
The way I read it, the places the government are saying are open for tourism are on the green list - which didn't exist last week. Amber countries haven't changed - this is still essential travel only, but obviously you can't police this for sure, just like you couldn't police it last week either
Edit: changed "check" to "police" [Post edited 17 May 2021 18:25]
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Nope. Amber countries it is now 100% legal to visit for tourism (and to quarantine at home on your return)
However we are being advised not to go at present, for tourism.
So what do we think some people will do? | |
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| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 18:25 - May 17 with 1539 views | StokieBlue |
| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 18:23 - May 17 by Wacko |
I don't think they are, but this is perhaps a matter of semantics.
The way I read it, the places the government are saying are open for tourism are on the green list - which didn't exist last week. Amber countries haven't changed - this is still essential travel only, but obviously you can't police this for sure, just like you couldn't police it last week either
Edit: changed "check" to "police" [Post edited 17 May 2021 18:25]
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It's really not a matter of semantics, the quote is right there in the article.
To paraphrase - "Don't travel to amber list countries even though it's legal."
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| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 18:27 - May 17 with 1529 views | bluelagos |
| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 18:25 - May 17 by StokieBlue |
It's really not a matter of semantics, the quote is right there in the article.
To paraphrase - "Don't travel to amber list countries even though it's legal."
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| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 18:36 - May 17 with 1517 views | noggin |
| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:56 - May 17 by SpruceMoose |
"post criticising government --> blame the idiots that put them there"
That is generally how it works, unless the people who put them there are visibly upset at what their elected officials are doing and intend to do something about it other than just vote for them again (something which we see very little of on here). |
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| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 18:47 - May 17 with 1506 views | Wacko |
| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 18:25 - May 17 by StokieBlue |
It's really not a matter of semantics, the quote is right there in the article.
To paraphrase - "Don't travel to amber list countries even though it's legal."
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Well, that's exactly it, you paraphrased it, missing out crucial information.
The actual quote is: “Our advice is that no one should be travelling to amber list countries, in the interests of public health,” he said when asked why amber list holidays were on sale. “There may be unavoidable, essential reasons for people to travel to amber list countries.”
It hasn't just become legal today, it's been legal for weeks. They don't want people to travel for leisure, but essential travel is permitted. It's really not that hard to understand.
There are many many things the government should be castigated for, but this isn't one of them | |
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| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 18:51 - May 17 with 1500 views | Wacko |
| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 18:25 - May 17 by bluelagos |
Nope. Amber countries it is now 100% legal to visit for tourism (and to quarantine at home on your return)
However we are being advised not to go at present, for tourism.
So what do we think some people will do? |
Like I say above, it's been 100% legal for weeks. Again, in the article: "Government advice says travel to amber list countries should only happen for work or for a small number of urgent reasons."
Nowhere does it say amber countries are open for tourism. ONLY green countries. That is literally what the green list is for, to tell people where they should go on holiday.
Clearly people will disregard the advice now, just like I'm sure they have been for weeks. | |
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| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 18:52 - May 17 with 1500 views | noggin |
| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 18:47 - May 17 by Wacko |
Well, that's exactly it, you paraphrased it, missing out crucial information.
The actual quote is: “Our advice is that no one should be travelling to amber list countries, in the interests of public health,” he said when asked why amber list holidays were on sale. “There may be unavoidable, essential reasons for people to travel to amber list countries.”
It hasn't just become legal today, it's been legal for weeks. They don't want people to travel for leisure, but essential travel is permitted. It's really not that hard to understand.
There are many many things the government should be castigated for, but this isn't one of them |
That quote is very difficult to understand, if you ask me. Holidays can be sold but they mustn't be bought. | |
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| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 18:52 - May 17 with 1498 views | bluelagos |
| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 18:47 - May 17 by Wacko |
Well, that's exactly it, you paraphrased it, missing out crucial information.
The actual quote is: “Our advice is that no one should be travelling to amber list countries, in the interests of public health,” he said when asked why amber list holidays were on sale. “There may be unavoidable, essential reasons for people to travel to amber list countries.”
It hasn't just become legal today, it's been legal for weeks. They don't want people to travel for leisure, but essential travel is permitted. It's really not that hard to understand.
There are many many things the government should be castigated for, but this isn't one of them |
Sorry, but am pretty sure you are wrong on this one. Before today you had to make a declaration why you were traveling. To travel on holiday was not a legal justification (as was needed) and you could be fined for doing so.
Today, that is no longer the case. You no longer need to declare why you are traveling. That particular law has been dropped. | |
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| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 18:56 - May 17 with 1473 views | J2BLUE |
| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:36 - May 17 by bluelagos |
Was going to post the exact same when I saw it, but figured I didn't want to get into another difference of opinion with those who think the holidaying public are the problem here.
Utterly absurd messaging yet again. Just like the "Please don't go to the pub" messaging when they left the pubs open. The messaging is the problem here and people pointing the finger at holiday makers are so missing the point imho. |
There is no doubt the government deserve their large share of the blame. I'm not arguing with that. I think the public need to use their common sense though. The people who have gone to amber countries...if they suddenly become red they'll start bitching. I don't trust the majority to actually isolate on their return either as poll after poll shows. |  |
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| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 18:57 - May 17 with 1468 views | bluelagos |
| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 18:56 - May 17 by J2BLUE |
There is no doubt the government deserve their large share of the blame. I'm not arguing with that. I think the public need to use their common sense though. The people who have gone to amber countries...if they suddenly become red they'll start bitching. I don't trust the majority to actually isolate on their return either as poll after poll shows. |
You me and Sprucy are almost agreeing on thread :-) Probably as close as we'll get! | |
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| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 19:01 - May 17 with 1451 views | 26_Paz |
| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 16:57 - May 17 by StokieBlue |
I've not done that anywhere, I've blamed the government entirely as it's their fault in this instance.
However it seems I may have missed a number of posts which have been consumed by the ether.
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You missed a post where an individual called all Tory voters ‘stupid c bombs’. This disgusting abuse and a few posts replying to it is what got pulled. |  |
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| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 19:07 - May 17 with 1436 views | 26_Paz |
| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 18:06 - May 17 by Wacko |
Because there's more to travelling than simply holidays. People commute across borders for work regularly. I have a project next week where I'm flying in 4 people from abroad and they will be working in isolation for 2 weeks then flying back. Without going into any detail, these are roles that can't really be filled by anyone else. I also have a work trip to Barcelona lined up in July, that can't exactly be replaced by anything else local.
So yes, for once I'm defending the government. Travelling just to get a tan and a hangover should be strongly discouraged, but you shouldn't stop travel altogether. |
Indeed. Mrs Paz is off to Romania for 2 weeks next month. She’s visiting her grandma who is the only family member still over there. She hasn’t seen any family for a year and a half. That kind of thing is different I think. Mrs Paz is double vaccinated so should be pretty safe. | |
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| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 19:10 - May 17 with 1434 views | Wacko |
| More utterly rubbish messaging from the government on 18:52 - May 17 by bluelagos |
Sorry, but am pretty sure you are wrong on this one. Before today you had to make a declaration why you were traveling. To travel on holiday was not a legal justification (as was needed) and you could be fined for doing so.
Today, that is no longer the case. You no longer need to declare why you are traveling. That particular law has been dropped. |
But this is because tourism is permitted in some places, so rather than adding exemptions to the law every 3 weeks, they've removed the law. But declaration or no declaration, you can never be able to prove a reason for someone's trip.
Regardless on whether there's a law or not, the message in the article is clear: Go on holiday to green countries. Don't go on holiday to amber ones.
I'll also remind you that the OP was advocating stopping travel completely, and I offered reasons why that shouldn't happen | |
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