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Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League 09:16 - May 23 with 4751 viewsKeno

Intriguing game in Scotland today what appears to be basically a village team could end up in the Scottish league

I'm not sure what their story is nut they are managed by ex international Barry Ferguson

Their big rivals of Hill of Beath Hawthorns

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Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 15:50 - May 23 with 2344 viewsLesta_Tractor

Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 15:48 - May 23 by C_HealyIsAPleasure

That they’re not in the EFL...but if you’re going to go down that road you can throw Chester into the mix too!


Chester in Wales?

Might as well include Hereford in that case...

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Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 16:00 - May 23 with 2318 viewsTangledupin_Blue

Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 15:50 - May 23 by Lesta_Tractor

Chester in Wales?

Might as well include Hereford in that case...


...Tranmere... Bristol City...Shrewsbury;;;Kidderminster. (They have all played in the Welsh Cup)

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Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 16:16 - May 23 with 2306 viewsKeno

Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 16:00 - May 23 by Tangledupin_Blue

...Tranmere... Bristol City...Shrewsbury;;;Kidderminster. (They have all played in the Welsh Cup)


Just imagine all the Norwich fans checking If they have ever participated in that competition so they can add it to their glorious history of European football

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Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 16:39 - May 23 with 2259 viewsCoastalblue

on 01:00 - Jan 1 by



Wasn't it Chester where there was a gig cancelled in lockdown? Allowed in England but the bogs were in Wales were it wasn't allowed at the time?

No idea when I began here, was a very long time ago. Previously known as Spirit_of_81. Love cheese, hate the colour of it, this is why it requires some blue in it.
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Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 16:42 - May 23 with 2254 viewsC_HealyIsAPleasure

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Beat me to it

Highlighting crass stupidity since sometime around 2010
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Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 16:46 - May 23 with 2249 viewsKeno

Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 16:42 - May 23 by C_HealyIsAPleasure

Beat me to it


dies that mean you can take a goal kick in England and it lands in Wales?

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Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 16:55 - May 23 with 2232 viewsTangledupin_Blue

Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 16:46 - May 23 by Keno

dies that mean you can take a goal kick in England and it lands in Wales?


Johnson'll have to get on to that Drakeford and tell him we want our ball back.

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Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 17:38 - May 23 with 2210 viewsWeWereZombies

Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 16:55 - May 23 by Tangledupin_Blue

Johnson'll have to get on to that Drakeford and tell him we want our ball back.


'Oh, you want your ball back, do you?

Well it's Sunday and we're all at chapel so you will have to wait until tomorrow, won't you?'

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Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 18:00 - May 23 with 2193 viewsWeWereZombies

And Kelty have made it:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57132097

Nice view of the hedge mentioned earlier in this thread at the opening of that article.

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Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 18:59 - May 23 with 2161 viewsGeomorph

Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 15:49 - May 23 by Lesta_Tractor

don't forget the mighty Merthyr Town


Played for a school team in Dunfermline we used to have to plays at Kelly... one horse town horrid place... ex mining n all that
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Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 02:32 - May 24 with 2106 viewsSuperCoops

I live about 5 minutes away from Kelty and have been up here for about 11 years now. Over the last 4 or 5 years they've done major works behind the scenes and the ground has been totally transformed in preparation.

Big money behind the scenes for them to get where they are, a serious competitor for Cowdenbeath a few miles away.

While Barry Ferguson has done a great job, it's also worth recognising previous manager Tam Courts who did an amazing job as both captain and then manager for Kelty.

It's an impressive set up, whether they can make it last, who knows? But good luck to them.
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Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 02:59 - May 24 with 2089 viewsKeno

Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 02:32 - May 24 by SuperCoops

I live about 5 minutes away from Kelty and have been up here for about 11 years now. Over the last 4 or 5 years they've done major works behind the scenes and the ground has been totally transformed in preparation.

Big money behind the scenes for them to get where they are, a serious competitor for Cowdenbeath a few miles away.

While Barry Ferguson has done a great job, it's also worth recognising previous manager Tam Courts who did an amazing job as both captain and then manager for Kelty.

It's an impressive set up, whether they can make it last, who knows? But good luck to them.
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Thanks for posting that, sounds interesting and will be intriguing to see how they get in next season

Will the people backing the club have the resources to take them much further?

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Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 10:35 - May 24 with 2020 viewsSuperCoops

Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 02:59 - May 24 by Keno

Thanks for posting that, sounds interesting and will be intriguing to see how they get in next season

Will the people backing the club have the resources to take them much further?


To be honest, I don't know where the money is coming from but it seems fairly steady and the infrastructure and the community set up has massively grown in recent years.

To be honest, to compete in the lower levels of SPFL aren't a lot different to where Kelty have been. Kelty have gone up number of divisions in recent years and were the first "Junior" (basically semi pro - not kids Leagues like it sounds) to breakaway from the Junior set up to join the pyramid set up that would lead into the SPFL.

Quite a lot of Juniors have now taken that step to join the pyramid by joining the East of Scotland set up to try and emulate Kelty's journey, to the extent that I think the Juniors has dropped from 5-6 Leagues down to 2 or 3 Leagues. I don't think any of these teams are quite on a par with Kelty but some might challenge once all the new EoS teams find their level.

There's a lot of poor teams in the lower levels of the pyramid but there are some very good teams too and Kelty have beaten them all and rose well.

Can they compete in the lower divisions? Yes. I can see them over taking their closest neighbours, Cowdenbeath, in the not too distant future. But much depends if the finances stay in check (which I think they will) and I think they will pick up a few new fans along the way (perhaps at Cowden's expense).

But if they need to expand their already newly redeveloped stadium at some point, that could be a challenge.
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Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 10:47 - May 24 with 1999 viewsKeno

Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 10:35 - May 24 by SuperCoops

To be honest, I don't know where the money is coming from but it seems fairly steady and the infrastructure and the community set up has massively grown in recent years.

To be honest, to compete in the lower levels of SPFL aren't a lot different to where Kelty have been. Kelty have gone up number of divisions in recent years and were the first "Junior" (basically semi pro - not kids Leagues like it sounds) to breakaway from the Junior set up to join the pyramid set up that would lead into the SPFL.

Quite a lot of Juniors have now taken that step to join the pyramid by joining the East of Scotland set up to try and emulate Kelty's journey, to the extent that I think the Juniors has dropped from 5-6 Leagues down to 2 or 3 Leagues. I don't think any of these teams are quite on a par with Kelty but some might challenge once all the new EoS teams find their level.

There's a lot of poor teams in the lower levels of the pyramid but there are some very good teams too and Kelty have beaten them all and rose well.

Can they compete in the lower divisions? Yes. I can see them over taking their closest neighbours, Cowdenbeath, in the not too distant future. But much depends if the finances stay in check (which I think they will) and I think they will pick up a few new fans along the way (perhaps at Cowden's expense).

But if they need to expand their already newly redeveloped stadium at some point, that could be a challenge.
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sounds like they have approached building the team well, very much from the bottom up.

I have a friend from Forfar, the wonderfully named 'Loons' so have an odd passing interest in Scottish lower league football which such exotic sounding place names like Abroath and Stenhousemuir

How come you've landed up there?
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Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 21:54 - May 24 with 1946 viewsSuperCoops

Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 10:47 - May 24 by Keno

sounds like they have approached building the team well, very much from the bottom up.

I have a friend from Forfar, the wonderfully named 'Loons' so have an odd passing interest in Scottish lower league football which such exotic sounding place names like Abroath and Stenhousemuir

How come you've landed up there?
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My wife is from up here originally. Her then job in London gave her the opportunity to return home so we did.

In other news, Kelty's Barry Ferguson has now resigned!
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Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 21:56 - May 24 with 1945 viewsKeno

Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 21:54 - May 24 by SuperCoops

My wife is from up here originally. Her then job in London gave her the opportunity to return home so we did.

In other news, Kelty's Barry Ferguson has now resigned!


Nice one!! I spent quite a bit of time in Edinburgh when I worked for Standard Life, lovely part of the world

Oh!! What the story there? Another job looming?
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Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 22:53 - May 24 with 1929 viewsTeHuia

Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 12:26 - May 23 by tractordownsouth

What are the odds on Great Bentley FC being in the EFL in a few years?


Stuff would be bent greatly were that to happen.
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Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 09:33 - May 25 with 1867 viewsRadlett_blue

Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 10:47 - May 24 by Keno

sounds like they have approached building the team well, very much from the bottom up.

I have a friend from Forfar, the wonderfully named 'Loons' so have an odd passing interest in Scottish lower league football which such exotic sounding place names like Abroath and Stenhousemuir

How come you've landed up there?
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I always liked the names, even more so in the early rounds of the Scottish Cup, especially clubs like Civil Service Strollers, Burntisland Shipyard, Forres Mechanics etc. The familiarity of names like Arbroath, Stenhousemuir etc, especially when pronounced by James Alexander Gordon, was rather like listening to the shipping forecast.
I defy most Englishmen to pin most of the Scottish clubs on a map with any degree of accuracy.

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Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 09:35 - May 25 with 1854 viewsKeno

Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 09:33 - May 25 by Radlett_blue

I always liked the names, even more so in the early rounds of the Scottish Cup, especially clubs like Civil Service Strollers, Burntisland Shipyard, Forres Mechanics etc. The familiarity of names like Arbroath, Stenhousemuir etc, especially when pronounced by James Alexander Gordon, was rather like listening to the shipping forecast.
I defy most Englishmen to pin most of the Scottish clubs on a map with any degree of accuracy.


in the highlands league there is Clachnacuddin FC, which I couldn't pronounce let alone locate!!

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Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 09:35 - May 25 by Keno

in the highlands league there is Clachnacuddin FC, which I couldn't pronounce let alone locate!!


I think they used to be called "Inverness Clachnacuddin".

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Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 09:39 - May 25 with 1849 viewsKeno

Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 09:38 - May 25 by Radlett_blue

I think they used to be called "Inverness Clachnacuddin".


Thats a monster of a name, I guess it was nessassry to shorten it?
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Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 09:45 - May 25 with 1841 viewsStochesStotasBlewe

Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 11:24 - May 23 by Radlett_blue

Bearing in mind that the Scottish League includes luminaries such as Annan Athletic (pop 8,780) I don't think that a "village team" will exactly feel over-awed.


Gretna played in the SPL season 2007/8.
Population 3,040.
Went tits up though.

We have no village green, or a shop. It's very, very quiet. I can walk to the pub.

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Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 09:53 - May 25 with 1823 viewsSuperCoops

Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 09:45 - May 25 by StochesStotasBlewe

Gretna played in the SPL season 2007/8.
Population 3,040.
Went tits up though.


Gretna were very unique as they were heavily bankrolled by one man, Brooks Mileson. Much like Rushden & Diamonds were. Mileson spent massively at Gretna by their standards, totally unsustainable. When he became terminally ill, his family (on his behalf) withdrew financial support completely in February 2008 before he died later that year.

As expected, they collapsed almost immediately. The team were relegated on the pitch anyway, but every member of staff and players were instantly made redundant. They were immediately demoted to the bottom division because of lack of guarantees for their future before the club resigned from the league completely during that pre-season.

The current Gretna 08 team are a phoenix club of the original Gretna.

Mileson was personally posthumously declared bankrupt owing £1.85m to a businessman and his bank account also being over half a million overdrawn.
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Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 09:58 - May 25 with 1823 viewsStochesStotasBlewe

Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 09:53 - May 25 by SuperCoops

Gretna were very unique as they were heavily bankrolled by one man, Brooks Mileson. Much like Rushden & Diamonds were. Mileson spent massively at Gretna by their standards, totally unsustainable. When he became terminally ill, his family (on his behalf) withdrew financial support completely in February 2008 before he died later that year.

As expected, they collapsed almost immediately. The team were relegated on the pitch anyway, but every member of staff and players were instantly made redundant. They were immediately demoted to the bottom division because of lack of guarantees for their future before the club resigned from the league completely during that pre-season.

The current Gretna 08 team are a phoenix club of the original Gretna.

Mileson was personally posthumously declared bankrupt owing £1.85m to a businessman and his bank account also being over half a million overdrawn.
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That would explain that then. Thanks.
Got married in Gretna in 2009. Walked around the place the afternoon before and for the life of me couldn't understand how the "village" had managed to get into the SPL, as there was literally nothing much there.

We have no village green, or a shop. It's very, very quiet. I can walk to the pub.

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Kelty Hearts in play off to join Scottish League on 09:58 - May 25 by StochesStotasBlewe

That would explain that then. Thanks.
Got married in Gretna in 2009. Walked around the place the afternoon before and for the life of me couldn't understand how the "village" had managed to get into the SPL, as there was literally nothing much there.


Although Mileson's heart was in the right place, by all accounts, Gretna was a bit of a play thing with no contingencies in place for events like what did cause their downfall.

It was a fairytale story for the town and they lapped up the romance of little old Gretna making the SPL, but it was totally unsustainable and should act as a cautionary tale to any club relying on one person.
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