| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad 08:44 - May 24 with 2992 views | MaySixth |
Baffling IMO |  |
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| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 08:48 - May 24 with 2633 views | CrockerITFC |
Has it been announced? |  | | |
| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 08:58 - May 24 with 2558 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
I don't think any squad has been announced?
As I understand it, the rationale is that TAA isn't a very good defender, but great going forward. Liverpool have a system which can accommodate that, but possibly England don't?
We also have lots of good options in the position. |  |
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| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:01 - May 24 with 2530 views | MrTown |
| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 08:58 - May 24 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I don't think any squad has been announced?
As I understand it, the rationale is that TAA isn't a very good defender, but great going forward. Liverpool have a system which can accommodate that, but possibly England don't?
We also have lots of good options in the position. |
That would be my thought process personally on it.
I think he's very good going forward, but can be exposed defensively.
I don't think it's a huge problem as it will be made out if TAA isn't taken, as you rightly say, we have many options there, I think Trippier and Walker will be the ones taken. |  |
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| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:03 - May 24 with 2512 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:01 - May 24 by MrTown |
That would be my thought process personally on it.
I think he's very good going forward, but can be exposed defensively.
I don't think it's a huge problem as it will be made out if TAA isn't taken, as you rightly say, we have many options there, I think Trippier and Walker will be the ones taken. |
Also Reece James and Wan-bissaka as options. | |
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| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:05 - May 24 with 2474 views | Metal_Hacker |
| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:01 - May 24 by MrTown |
That would be my thought process personally on it.
I think he's very good going forward, but can be exposed defensively.
I don't think it's a huge problem as it will be made out if TAA isn't taken, as you rightly say, we have many options there, I think Trippier and Walker will be the ones taken. |
Two RB's and one who can double up as an emergency CB or part of a three at the back,both of who have just won their respective league titles - I'm quite happy with the decision IF this is the case |  |
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| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:07 - May 24 with 2442 views | chicoazul |
I’d be amazed if he doesn’t go but Southgate does like Walker who can play in a couple of roles. And Trippier just won La Liga. |  |
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| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:11 - May 24 with 2397 views | Kropotkin123 |
| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:01 - May 24 by MrTown |
That would be my thought process personally on it.
I think he's very good going forward, but can be exposed defensively.
I don't think it's a huge problem as it will be made out if TAA isn't taken, as you rightly say, we have many options there, I think Trippier and Walker will be the ones taken. |
I've been reading, rather than watching. But people have said Trippier had an excellent season and he appears to be first choice on form. I'd prefer were people picked on merit, rather than historically good performances. So I have no issues with leaving TAA out. He'd obviously walk into the vast majority of teams, so it's nothing against TAA, who I think is a fantastic player. |  |
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| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:15 - May 24 with 2366 views | rickw |
| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:01 - May 24 by MrTown |
That would be my thought process personally on it.
I think he's very good going forward, but can be exposed defensively.
I don't think it's a huge problem as it will be made out if TAA isn't taken, as you rightly say, we have many options there, I think Trippier and Walker will be the ones taken. |
I think James will go too as we have a 26 man squad.
Personally I'd take TAA + AWB - the best attacking of the 5 and the best defensive one, the other 3 are perhaps more rounded players but are much of the same - there's no tactical reason to sub one for another |  |
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| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:20 - May 24 with 2326 views | BlueBlood90 |
I agree.
Trent is our best right back by some distance.
Genuinely baffles me how Kyle Walker plays every week at City. He's so poor. |  |
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| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:24 - May 24 with 2295 views | tractordownsouth |
Hasn’t been announced but David Ornstein reckons this is true and he’s usually bang on. Apparently it’s Walker, Trippier and James going. I don’t really understand that.
As I said on another thread, I think you choose 1 of Walker/James, 1 of Trent/Trippier and then take Wan-Bissaka as a defensive option if you have 3 right backs. Don’t see the need to have both Walker and James as they both do the same job. |  |
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| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:35 - May 24 with 2207 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:24 - May 24 by tractordownsouth |
Hasn’t been announced but David Ornstein reckons this is true and he’s usually bang on. Apparently it’s Walker, Trippier and James going. I don’t really understand that.
As I said on another thread, I think you choose 1 of Walker/James, 1 of Trent/Trippier and then take Wan-Bissaka as a defensive option if you have 3 right backs. Don’t see the need to have both Walker and James as they both do the same job. |
I think this is going to be over blown as an issue.
Story is we have 5 very good right backs and a couple will miss out. Meh. | |
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| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:36 - May 24 with 2188 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:20 - May 24 by BlueBlood90 |
I agree.
Trent is our best right back by some distance.
Genuinely baffles me how Kyle Walker plays every week at City. He's so poor. |
He isn't though.
He's great going forward, but suspect as a defender.
Walker isn't poor. | |
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| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:41 - May 24 with 2155 views | I_LOVE_GOLLOB |
| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:36 - May 24 by Marshalls_Mullet |
He isn't though.
He's great going forward, but suspect as a defender.
Walker isn't poor. |
Totally agree..
Why have a defender, in a defence, when he can't defend. And Walker for me all day long. |  |
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| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:49 - May 24 with 2064 views | Swansea_Blue |
Chambo misses out again then |  |
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| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:55 - May 24 with 2007 views | clive_baker |
Predictable, given Gareth clearly doesn't rate him, but still an odd one IMO. Despite our strength at right back, TAA is versatile, can play left or right, could even sit in front of the defence if needs must. I would've thought he would be an ideal squad player. |  |
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| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:58 - May 24 with 1968 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:55 - May 24 by clive_baker |
Predictable, given Gareth clearly doesn't rate him, but still an odd one IMO. Despite our strength at right back, TAA is versatile, can play left or right, could even sit in front of the defence if needs must. I would've thought he would be an ideal squad player. |
I'm not sure TAA can play on the left, and we are not short of options there either, same with CDM. | |
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| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 10:01 - May 24 with 1934 views | hoppy |
| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:49 - May 24 by Swansea_Blue |
Chambo misses out again then |
Probably to give him time for sorting a new club out. Southgate has been more than fair with him on that. |  |
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| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 10:10 - May 24 with 1878 views | MrTown |
| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:11 - May 24 by Kropotkin123 |
I've been reading, rather than watching. But people have said Trippier had an excellent season and he appears to be first choice on form. I'd prefer were people picked on merit, rather than historically good performances. So I have no issues with leaving TAA out. He'd obviously walk into the vast majority of teams, so it's nothing against TAA, who I think is a fantastic player. |
No I agree, I think TAA is a terrific footballer, has achieved so much at such a young age, but I do think his form has dipped, Liverpool and England do play in different ways, and TAA is suspect defensively imo.
If I'm picking my team tomorrow Trippier starts. I think he has had such a good season at Athletico. Also a very good deliver of the ball and free kick taker in his own right. | |
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| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 10:13 - May 24 with 1873 views | itfcjoe |
| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:24 - May 24 by tractordownsouth |
Hasn’t been announced but David Ornstein reckons this is true and he’s usually bang on. Apparently it’s Walker, Trippier and James going. I don’t really understand that.
As I said on another thread, I think you choose 1 of Walker/James, 1 of Trent/Trippier and then take Wan-Bissaka as a defensive option if you have 3 right backs. Don’t see the need to have both Walker and James as they both do the same job. |
If TAA doesn't go - the 3 who presumably do will be Walker, James and Trippier. The former two will be the starting RBs in the CL final, and the other has just won La Liga.
All have been good for England, and taken the chances here. TAA is excellent for Liverpool, but he hasn't done it for England for one reason or another. Wan-Bissaka offers zero going forwards.
Just feels like getting back to the days of having lots of quality in each position, which means quality players will miss out - and those who are a better fit for England in style of play, or personality, or whatever Southgate is selecting on, will get the nod.
People make too much about club form, it's obviously important, but it isn't going to make you usurp players who have been good for England previously |  |
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| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 10:15 - May 24 with 1839 views | JakeITFC |
James going over Alexander-Arnold is an absolute travesty. |  | | |
| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 10:20 - May 24 with 1799 views | LankHenners |
| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:55 - May 24 by clive_baker |
Predictable, given Gareth clearly doesn't rate him, but still an odd one IMO. Despite our strength at right back, TAA is versatile, can play left or right, could even sit in front of the defence if needs must. I would've thought he would be an ideal squad player. |
Southgate very much someone who likes players he can trust. Not to say TAA is untrustworthy but Trippier and Walker have always performed well for England and are much more defensively secure than TAA.
Given that it’s not a huge shock if he doesn’t play, no matter what people like Gary Linekar try and say. Even so, there’s a strong argument for him being in the squad as there may be a time late on in a knockout match we need to load the box with crosses and having someone of TAA’s ability to do that would be a useful asset. Similarly, Jack Grealish’s ability to win set pieces is a very useful weapon to have in knockout football, even if his path to starting is blocked by others. |  |
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| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 10:34 - May 24 with 1684 views | shamboy |
I love TAA as a player as he can be marvellously progressive and delivers the ball brilliantly BUT he has had a poor season by the standard he set himself and there was a stage in the mid season when he lost his way so that even his strengths became a challenge. He seems to be on his way back to where he was, and we will see if he gets the trip. | | | |
| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 10:45 - May 24 with 1603 views | mikeybloo88 |
| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 09:58 - May 24 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I'm not sure TAA can play on the left, and we are not short of options there either, same with CDM. |
What we are short of though is players who can put in the quality of delivery which TAA does...for that reason alone I'd take him as an option to put on if we're chasing a goal. For me Walker and James also go as they can both play as a speedy right sided cb if required. Trippier doesn't do it for me.... |  | | |
| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 10:47 - May 24 with 1572 views | tractordownsouth |
| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 10:13 - May 24 by itfcjoe |
If TAA doesn't go - the 3 who presumably do will be Walker, James and Trippier. The former two will be the starting RBs in the CL final, and the other has just won La Liga.
All have been good for England, and taken the chances here. TAA is excellent for Liverpool, but he hasn't done it for England for one reason or another. Wan-Bissaka offers zero going forwards.
Just feels like getting back to the days of having lots of quality in each position, which means quality players will miss out - and those who are a better fit for England in style of play, or personality, or whatever Southgate is selecting on, will get the nod.
People make too much about club form, it's obviously important, but it isn't going to make you usurp players who have been good for England previously |
I don't agree with Trent not going but you could make a case for AWB or Tripper over him, not Reece James though.
Agreed on the second point, sod's law with positional imbalance. We have the first choice RBs from Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Atletico and two of them won't get in the squad, yet we'll end up with Jordan Pickford starting. Similar to the mid 2000s where we'd have Sol Campbell on the bench and Paul Scholes out of position but Paul Robinson in the first XI. | |
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| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 10:47 - May 24 with 1568 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| No Alexander-Arnold in England squad on 10:45 - May 24 by mikeybloo88 |
What we are short of though is players who can put in the quality of delivery which TAA does...for that reason alone I'd take him as an option to put on if we're chasing a goal. For me Walker and James also go as they can both play as a speedy right sided cb if required. Trippier doesn't do it for me.... |
Like others have said, he does that for Liverpool... not so much this season, but hasnt replicated it for England.
Im not too fussed really. Dont mind if he goes, dont mind if he doesnt. | |
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