| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is 20:15 - Jun 7 with 7646 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
a racist act".
I am sorry people who commit racist acts are racists. The people who boo taking the knee are racists. They may not like to be called racists but they are racists. |  |
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| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 00:22 - Jun 8 with 1577 views | Swansea_Blue |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 23:49 - Jun 7 by Illinoisblue |
Banning orders for booing? That’s a very slippery slope. |
Possibly. That would be for the authorities to determine. There are rules that cover this though. The EFL, for example, has standard T&Cs for ground entry that allows for bans for racist abuse:
"Racial, homophobic or discriminatory abuse, chanting or harassment is strictly forbidden
and will result in arrest and/or ejection from the Ground. The Club may impose a ban for
one or more Matches."
https://www.efl.com/siteassets/efl-documents/ground-regulations-2017-18-efl---fi
We've adopted them (clause 10):
https://www.itfc.co.uk/club/ground-regulations/
I'm not sure what the national team/the FA do, but I imagine it will be similar. We're not talking multi-year bans, just a game or a few to try and get the message to sink in that being a racist prick isn't ok. |  |
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| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 00:28 - Jun 8 with 1560 views | eireblue |
What is somewhat....amusing I guess, is the amount of comments from right wing types against Labour/Left wing and the rise in anti-semitism.
Of course anti-semitism, wasn’t defined by modern white supremacists. It would be stupid to think that was the case.
It was defined by Jewish people, that have had quite a few years of being abused, so could quite easily define what should be regarded as anti-semitism.
Similarly a person boo-ing a set of players, many of whom have received racist abuse, whilst they are making an anti-racism gesture, doesn’t get to decide if boo-ing is racist.
That would be someone else. |  | | |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 00:59 - Jun 8 with 1541 views | eireblue |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 00:09 - Jun 8 by Pinewoodblue |
Agree it shows a lack of tolerance so goes against the principles of taking a knee an objective of which is reducing intolerance.
I don't agree with booing our own players for any reason, although I'm sure many on here have got in the habit of doing so. Booing players for underperforming is any fans right, or so the boo boys believe.
The practice of taking a knee is losing momentum across Europe let's see what happens at the Euro Championships. |
There is no degree of tolerance of any racism or racist act.
This is simply a discussion about definitions.
Abused minority groups get to decide what is abusive.
People can choose to ignore that.
They are racists, homophobes, antisemites etc
If you boo a non-violent anti-racism message or act, you are a racist.
See, a simple definition eliminates any ambiguity or grey areas.
A bunch of people, some of whom have been racially abused, decide to make an anti-racism gesture, sure, of course someone can choose be disrespectful and boo it.
They are also racists.
Just like if someone stood on pavement as a Pride March went past and was simply booing it, there would be very little discussion if that person was or was not homophobic. | | | |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 01:01 - Jun 8 with 1537 views | SpruceMoose |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 00:59 - Jun 8 by eireblue |
There is no degree of tolerance of any racism or racist act.
This is simply a discussion about definitions.
Abused minority groups get to decide what is abusive.
People can choose to ignore that.
They are racists, homophobes, antisemites etc
If you boo a non-violent anti-racism message or act, you are a racist.
See, a simple definition eliminates any ambiguity or grey areas.
A bunch of people, some of whom have been racially abused, decide to make an anti-racism gesture, sure, of course someone can choose be disrespectful and boo it.
They are also racists.
Just like if someone stood on pavement as a Pride March went past and was simply booing it, there would be very little discussion if that person was or was not homophobic. |
A brave man heckles a pride march. You'd be absolutely destroyed! |  |
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| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 05:23 - Jun 8 with 1492 views | noggin |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 22:06 - Jun 7 by Illinoisblue |
There could be people who are not racist but are annoyed with what is in their eyes their sport being used as a vehicle for what started as a protest over something that happened in a different country. I don’t doubt there are many people booing for the wrong reasons but I don’t think you can claim everybody’s booing for the same reason. |
Problem with that is that they have been told why the players are taking the knee. Those fans who are booing know damn well that English players are still being racially abused on a daily basis. There are no excuses. |  |
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| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 05:31 - Jun 8 with 1492 views | noggin |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 23:49 - Jun 7 by Illinoisblue |
Banning orders for booing? That’s a very slippery slope. |
Why? Racism should not be accepted, anywhere. | |
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| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 07:20 - Jun 8 with 1437 views | Crow77 |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 21:59 - Jun 7 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Why should you get to decide that we should only oppose racism once a year?
Taking the knee has not been overly effective. It has had too little effect. More needs to be done not less. |
More needs to be done on all forms of discrimination what I'm saying is it would have more of an impact if it was one weekend set aside for it I mean Sunday was 77 years since so many young men lost there life's fighting for freedom and there was nothing done to mark that could have put something on the shirts or something just like anti discrimination could be on shirts I just think taking the knee before every game isn't having the effect anymore |  | | |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 07:34 - Jun 8 with 1424 views | Crow77 |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 23:08 - Jun 7 by Swansea_Blue |
I've got no problem with a weekend to celebrate diversity and equality, but ultimately it's not up to us is it. If the players feel the need to make any gestures/protests around issues of race and equality that's entirely up to them. As soon as others try to impose their own will and tell them what they can or can't do we're back into the realm of why there's a need for them to take the knee in the first place (i.e. people not being respected as, or treated as equals). |
Good point it is up to the players but guess this being a free country it's also up to the fans if they want to boo it as I said I never would but clearly lots feel the need to for what ever reason | | | |
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| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 07:50 - Jun 8 with 1402 views | noggin |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 07:20 - Jun 8 by Crow77 |
More needs to be done on all forms of discrimination what I'm saying is it would have more of an impact if it was one weekend set aside for it I mean Sunday was 77 years since so many young men lost there life's fighting for freedom and there was nothing done to mark that could have put something on the shirts or something just like anti discrimination could be on shirts I just think taking the knee before every game isn't having the effect anymore |
"I just think taking the knee before every game isn't having the effect anymore"
Yet here we are, still talking about racism, directly because of it. | |
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| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 08:09 - Jun 8 with 1374 views | wkj |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 22:06 - Jun 7 by Illinoisblue |
There could be people who are not racist but are annoyed with what is in their eyes their sport being used as a vehicle for what started as a protest over something that happened in a different country. I don’t doubt there are many people booing for the wrong reasons but I don’t think you can claim everybody’s booing for the same reason. |
As long as games are kicking off on time, what does it really matter. Whether the team are taking a knee, observing a minute silence or have a few more seconds of keepy uppy - the main reason we watch footy is unchanged - at 3pm (or whenever kick off is) - the football happens.
If the players collectively took a knee every time the ball went out for a throw in, I might understand the booing as not racist - however, it is as simple as others are stating otherwise. Booing a display of solidarity against racism is racist. |  |
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| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 08:19 - Jun 8 with 1360 views | Bluefish |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 22:06 - Jun 7 by Illinoisblue |
There could be people who are not racist but are annoyed with what is in their eyes their sport being used as a vehicle for what started as a protest over something that happened in a different country. I don’t doubt there are many people booing for the wrong reasons but I don’t think you can claim everybody’s booing for the same reason. |
Those people do not exist apart from in the mind of the racist that isn't ready to come out yet |  |
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| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 09:02 - Jun 8 with 1311 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 08:09 - Jun 8 by wkj |
As long as games are kicking off on time, what does it really matter. Whether the team are taking a knee, observing a minute silence or have a few more seconds of keepy uppy - the main reason we watch footy is unchanged - at 3pm (or whenever kick off is) - the football happens.
If the players collectively took a knee every time the ball went out for a throw in, I might understand the booing as not racist - however, it is as simple as others are stating otherwise. Booing a display of solidarity against racism is racist. |
I think it’s more the delivery not the message.
Only the lowest of the low would disagree that there is a problem with racism in football and obviously the wider world, but taking the knee is seen as very American.
Many players themselves have stopped doing it, even black players.. it’s changed nothing at all, so time to take a look and REALLY make change.
But keep bullying those with a different view on here if it makes you feel good. |  |
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| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 09:17 - Jun 8 with 1290 views | Swansea_Blue |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 09:02 - Jun 8 by Wallingford_Boy |
I think it’s more the delivery not the message.
Only the lowest of the low would disagree that there is a problem with racism in football and obviously the wider world, but taking the knee is seen as very American.
Many players themselves have stopped doing it, even black players.. it’s changed nothing at all, so time to take a look and REALLY make change.
But keep bullying those with a different view on here if it makes you feel good. |
wkj isn't bullying anyone | |
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| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 09:22 - Jun 8 with 1286 views | Nazemariner |
@PhilTWTD
Please move these dreadful threads to the general category. |  | | |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 09:22 - Jun 8 with 1281 views | eireblue |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 09:02 - Jun 8 by Wallingford_Boy |
I think it’s more the delivery not the message.
Only the lowest of the low would disagree that there is a problem with racism in football and obviously the wider world, but taking the knee is seen as very American.
Many players themselves have stopped doing it, even black players.. it’s changed nothing at all, so time to take a look and REALLY make change.
But keep bullying those with a different view on here if it makes you feel good. |
You think they are booing because the delivery is "very American"?
Crikey, I bet they get really upset, when a waitress in a pinafore doesn't approach their table and ask what sort of Hamburger Sandwich they would like with their cup of tea in McDonalds. | | | |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 09:23 - Jun 8 with 1279 views | lowhouseblue |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 09:02 - Jun 8 by Wallingford_Boy |
I think it’s more the delivery not the message.
Only the lowest of the low would disagree that there is a problem with racism in football and obviously the wider world, but taking the knee is seen as very American.
Many players themselves have stopped doing it, even black players.. it’s changed nothing at all, so time to take a look and REALLY make change.
But keep bullying those with a different view on here if it makes you feel good. |
seemed to me that the social media boycott had a bigger impact - it was more targeted at a specific problem and it was more easily understood by the public.
in the end it's up to the players and booing them for their choice is wrong. but you can discuss the rights and wrongs or effectiveness of different symbolic acts without being a racist. |  |
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| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 09:28 - Jun 8 with 1257 views | ElderGrizzly |
Handy guide this morning for those confused still
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| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 09:50 - Jun 8 with 1206 views | noggin |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 09:02 - Jun 8 by Wallingford_Boy |
I think it’s more the delivery not the message.
Only the lowest of the low would disagree that there is a problem with racism in football and obviously the wider world, but taking the knee is seen as very American.
Many players themselves have stopped doing it, even black players.. it’s changed nothing at all, so time to take a look and REALLY make change.
But keep bullying those with a different view on here if it makes you feel good. |
The players choose to do it so who are you to say they shouldn't? | |
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| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 09:52 - Jun 8 with 1198 views | noggin |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 09:22 - Jun 8 by Nazemariner |
@PhilTWTD
Please move these dreadful threads to the general category. |
This has everything to do with football. | |
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| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 10:10 - Jun 8 with 1131 views | Nazemariner |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 09:52 - Jun 8 by noggin |
This has everything to do with football. |
I appreciate that it does, but these threads always descend into petty squabbles. The very point of having categories to the forum is so that people can avoid getting into confrontations with those whom have differing views.
I'm not looking for an argument here...quite the opposite. | | | |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 10:20 - Jun 8 with 1108 views | DanTheMan |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 10:10 - Jun 8 by Nazemariner |
I appreciate that it does, but these threads always descend into petty squabbles. The very point of having categories to the forum is so that people can avoid getting into confrontations with those whom have differing views.
I'm not looking for an argument here...quite the opposite. |
A safe space you say? ;) |  |
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| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 10:27 - Jun 8 with 1096 views | Nazemariner |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 10:20 - Jun 8 by DanTheMan |
A safe space you say? ;) |
Just somewhere that people won't get dog's abuse because your opinion doesn't align with theirs. | | | |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 10:45 - Jun 8 with 1234 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 10:10 - Jun 8 by Nazemariner |
I appreciate that it does, but these threads always descend into petty squabbles. The very point of having categories to the forum is so that people can avoid getting into confrontations with those whom have differing views.
I'm not looking for an argument here...quite the opposite. |
The thread title is really, really clear. So there's always the whole "Don't click on the thread if it doesn't interest you" option. | | | |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 10:58 - Jun 8 with 1208 views | eireblue |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 10:27 - Jun 8 by Nazemariner |
Just somewhere that people won't get dog's abuse because your opinion doesn't align with theirs. |
Grey area init, someone's dog's abuse, is another person's joke. | | | |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 11:03 - Jun 8 with 1181 views | Herbivore |
| "We can't call the people booing racists but it is clear that the booing is on 10:27 - Jun 8 by Nazemariner |
Just somewhere that people won't get dog's abuse because your opinion doesn't align with theirs. |
Like being called a bellend for no good reason you mean? |  |
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