| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK 15:22 - Jun 10 with 5287 views | ElderGrizzly |
Well done Boris... |  | | |  |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 16:58 - Jun 10 with 1009 views | StokieBlue |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 16:57 - Jun 10 by Ely_Blue |
Given that there are rules for amber countries around testing before travel return and at days 2 and 8 (which in theory would have identified people) and these have to be given to the authorities before travel then I would say it’s easy to flout the rules.
You seriously think those returning from India would have followed the red guidelines when flying back into Manchester airport? |
Flights from red list countries don't go into Manchester. If India was red listed the flights would have been changed to land in London and they would have been forced to quarantine in a hotel.
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| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 16:59 - Jun 10 with 1010 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 16:57 - Jun 10 by footers |
About 90% of your posts are just moaning these days, Lucan. You used to be fun, now it's mainly just crochety and weeping like a teased vagina. What's got into you, man?! |
I think as I have got older my feckwit filter has malfunctioned
That and the fact that this place isn't fun anymore. |  |
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| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:01 - Jun 10 with 992 views | Ely_Blue |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 16:56 - Jun 10 by StokieBlue |
Indeed, initially the decisions to essentially lock down a continent worked but unless you back it up with an exit strategy (a fast and robust vaccination plan) then it's possible you've just kicked the problem down the road when a highly infectious variant manages to get through or when you open up.
It was more an example that you could keep it out initially but in reality Lucan is right, it's impossible to keep out something like C19 longer-term. That doesn't mean that the risks shouldn't be minimised.
SB [Post edited 10 Jun 2021 16:57]
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We all lauded Germany as a beacon of how to do things during the first wave…… have you seen how that panned out? I was shocked when I saw their death toll and daily rates right now when I looked a couple of days ago |  |
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| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:02 - Jun 10 with 993 views | footers |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 16:59 - Jun 10 by Lord_Lucan |
I think as I have got older my feckwit filter has malfunctioned
That and the fact that this place isn't fun anymore. |
I know, I put up with far too many of them too.
And nah, just put on your Crocs, open a beer and talk some sh1te. No idea what these glory years were supposedly like but surely it's always just a bunch of idiots talking about a second-rate football team, cheese and how sexy Martijn Reuser is? |  |
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| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:07 - Jun 10 with 978 views | StokieBlue |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:01 - Jun 10 by Ely_Blue |
We all lauded Germany as a beacon of how to do things during the first wave…… have you seen how that panned out? I was shocked when I saw their death toll and daily rates right now when I looked a couple of days ago |
What exactly is your point here because it's hard to see one?
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| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:07 - Jun 10 with 976 views | Guthrum |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:01 - Jun 10 by Ely_Blue |
We all lauded Germany as a beacon of how to do things during the first wave…… have you seen how that panned out? I was shocked when I saw their death toll and daily rates right now when I looked a couple of days ago |
Germany (and Scandinavia) got a less lethal variant in the early stages of Covid. This was not publicised at the time. They had lots of cases, but few hospitalisations or deaths at a time when things were very rough for us.
Their vaccine roll out was also much slower than the UK's. |  |
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| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:09 - Jun 10 with 965 views | Ely_Blue |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 16:58 - Jun 10 by StokieBlue |
Flights from red list countries don't go into Manchester. If India was red listed the flights would have been changed to land in London and they would have been forced to quarantine in a hotel.
SB |
That’s assuming they fly direct!
Even with red list rules if you fly through an amber country it is still the responsibility of the individual to notify that they have been in a red list country in the last 14 days | |
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| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:11 - Jun 10 with 962 views | Ely_Blue |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:07 - Jun 10 by StokieBlue |
What exactly is your point here because it's hard to see one?
SB |
The same as you?
You suggest a plan to lock down the country from India then you also in the same thread talk about how it didn’t work for Aus | |
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| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:13 - Jun 10 with 956 views | StokieBlue |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:11 - Jun 10 by Ely_Blue |
The same as you?
You suggest a plan to lock down the country from India then you also in the same thread talk about how it didn’t work for Aus |
That's not what I've done.
I think you should go back and re-read it without the "defend the government" hat on.
I also have no idea what that response has to do with your post about Germany.
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| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:14 - Jun 10 with 957 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:02 - Jun 10 by footers |
I know, I put up with far too many of them too.
And nah, just put on your Crocs, open a beer and talk some sh1te. No idea what these glory years were supposedly like but surely it's always just a bunch of idiots talking about a second-rate football team, cheese and how sexy Martijn Reuser is? |
It was mostly ham sandwiches, flying cars and the pedestrianisation of Norwich City centre.
But yes, I will have a few Ghost Ships tonight. I might watch 24 Hour Party People again for the zillionth time, I've just finished Hookys third and final book and I'm about to start Stephen Morris's.
I'm tempted to read Barneys but I will wait until my feckwit filter is functioning again. | |
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| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:14 - Jun 10 with 953 views | Guthrum |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 15:46 - Jun 10 by Lord_Lucan |
There is no way you can keep it out, it's impossible.
You can slow it down but you still have to deal with it. |
This. By the time a variant is identified, it's quite probably already here in multiple locations.
Especially so if coming from India to somewhere like the UK which has a large population with family links back to the Subcontinent. Travel is going to happen long before the mutation is known about. | |
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| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:19 - Jun 10 with 943 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 15:46 - Jun 10 by Lord_Lucan |
There is no way you can keep it out, it's impossible.
You can slow it down but you still have to deal with it. |
Once it here and has a hold, it's really hard to stop. I'd certainly agree on that as you can see it spreading everywhere, so lots of countries are struggling to contain it. We could have done so much more to stop or significantly slow down it's arrival though. It's about mindsets as much as anything else. We're happy to accept that we're going to have the virus and its various variants in circulation and that we just have to live with it. That's a political choice. Compare that with what they do in Australia for example and they take it seriously. Even one case triggers an immediate response. One case. We don't move quickly with hundreds of cases. Reacting too slowly has been a constant pattern for us. |  |
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| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:22 - Jun 10 with 933 views | Guthrum |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 16:53 - Jun 10 by Ely_Blue |
Or you have people who are self employed (I wanted to put self centred too) who will be claiming from the government in grants etc for being affected by covid but then still working to make money too.
And also the multigenerational “community families” where it spreads within those communities because they don’t follow the rules |
For one thing, unlike furlough, there was no prohibition on the self-employed claiming help while doing what work was available. It counts as income and we will be taxed on it. If abuses are detected, the Government can claim the money back.
For another, many of us lost much or all of our income, with no other means of support than signing on. Why should the self-employed suffer worse than those with secure jobs to go back to? | |
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| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:25 - Jun 10 with 924 views | footers |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 15:24 - Jun 10 by footers |
But me want football. Mental health importanter. |
Downvote me all you want, you bunch of planks, but this is exactly how y'all come across when you use football/going to the pub/going dogging/visiting a steam rally as a Well Important Fing What I Need To Do Because Mental Health. You have no other excuse aside from minor things being an inconvenience so no wonder you do don't reply properly.
Stop using mental health as a sick ace in the hole for your selfishness. Mental health crises are very serious things indeed and aren't contained, controlled or cured by any of the above - real help should always be sought. If you have had or are suffering from extreme mental health issues, you should talk to your GP, call a non-profit such as the Samaritans or pay for private advice from qualified professionals.
We're at the tail end of the pandemic and some of you seem to have learnt nothing. All about you and your very specific wants, innit. Depressing.
P.S. I know this post isn't going to be at all popular but IDGAF. Surely all the tellin' it like it is crowd won't mind a bit of that though. | |
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| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:27 - Jun 10 with 919 views | Ely_Blue |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:13 - Jun 10 by StokieBlue |
That's not what I've done.
I think you should go back and re-read it without the "defend the government" hat on.
I also have no idea what that response has to do with your post about Germany.
SB |
I’m certainly not one to defend the government, they are a bunch of feckwits who I have no time for, however despite their faults individuals still have to stand up and take responsibility.
As I said even if India were on the red list there are loopholes by travelling via amber countries as a “transit” passenger you could get into the uk without having to declare you’d come from India and therefore only have to comply with amber rules | |
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| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:27 - Jun 10 with 921 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:19 - Jun 10 by Swansea_Blue |
Once it here and has a hold, it's really hard to stop. I'd certainly agree on that as you can see it spreading everywhere, so lots of countries are struggling to contain it. We could have done so much more to stop or significantly slow down it's arrival though. It's about mindsets as much as anything else. We're happy to accept that we're going to have the virus and its various variants in circulation and that we just have to live with it. That's a political choice. Compare that with what they do in Australia for example and they take it seriously. Even one case triggers an immediate response. One case. We don't move quickly with hundreds of cases. Reacting too slowly has been a constant pattern for us. |
It's the way we are rolling, you can say this and that and yadda yadda but it is a commercial decision.
Comparing GB to Australia is like comparing Ipswich to London, both by way of population and economy. It's also a lot easier being locked down in the sunshine with a bloody great garden than it is in a high rise in Tottenham in all weathers. | |
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| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:30 - Jun 10 with 906 views | bluelagos |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 16:28 - Jun 10 by Ely_Blue |
I don’t doubt that the decision not to add india to the red list helped to increase the numbers in the uk, I too was saying to family/friends at the time that the govt should have moved india to the red list.
However you can’t ignore that demographics or not, of those returning from India, ignorance and blatant flouting of the rules around isolation and testing are the responsibility of individuals and not the government |
You seem sure that those returning were flouting the rules.
But here's the thing, what if they were following the rules? Indian family. living with say 3 generations under the same roof. Grand parent legally returns from India after say a family funeral. They are on the amber list so the parent has to quarantine in the family home.
What of the rest of the family? Do they have to quarantine? (legally or even guidelines?) Cos if they don't, then the disease spreads and that is down (for me) to those who make the rules, not those who follow them.
Your assumptions will be true for some of course, but for others, they may well have been doing exactly as they were told yet still unwittingly seeding the virus in the community. |  |
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| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:33 - Jun 10 with 895 views | bluelagos |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:09 - Jun 10 by Ely_Blue |
That’s assuming they fly direct!
Even with red list rules if you fly through an amber country it is still the responsibility of the individual to notify that they have been in a red list country in the last 14 days |
For a number of weeks, when Bangladesh was on the 'red list', India wasn't. That was when the variant was first coming in. To blame the people from India, rather than those who didn't take the steps to ensure they were using hotel quarantine (per red countries) is more than unfair imho. | |
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| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:35 - Jun 10 with 892 views | GaryCooper |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:25 - Jun 10 by footers |
Downvote me all you want, you bunch of planks, but this is exactly how y'all come across when you use football/going to the pub/going dogging/visiting a steam rally as a Well Important Fing What I Need To Do Because Mental Health. You have no other excuse aside from minor things being an inconvenience so no wonder you do don't reply properly.
Stop using mental health as a sick ace in the hole for your selfishness. Mental health crises are very serious things indeed and aren't contained, controlled or cured by any of the above - real help should always be sought. If you have had or are suffering from extreme mental health issues, you should talk to your GP, call a non-profit such as the Samaritans or pay for private advice from qualified professionals.
We're at the tail end of the pandemic and some of you seem to have learnt nothing. All about you and your very specific wants, innit. Depressing.
P.S. I know this post isn't going to be at all popular but IDGAF. Surely all the tellin' it like it is crowd won't mind a bit of that though. |
What is depressing, is the love of divineness, propagated by those who hold bigoted views.
Take your own advice, seek serious medical help, I feel you will benefit. |  | | |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:37 - Jun 10 with 886 views | bluelagos |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 16:54 - Jun 10 by hype313 |
Australia's about to get hit hard, and without a strong vaccine rollout they are vulnerable.
He added that the strain is currently spreading at a rate never seen before.
The Acting Premier said: "In the last day, we've seen more evidence we're dealing with a highly infectious strain of the virus, a variant of concern, which is running faster than we have ever recorded.
"We have identified in excess of 10,000 primary and secondary contacts who will need to either quarantine, or test and isolate, and that number will continue to grow and change.
"Our public health experts' primary concern is how fast this variant is moving. |
Was talking to my brother (he lives in WA) yesterday and apparently there is real issues with vaccine hesitancy there. It is along the limes of complacency "We don't have CV, why do we need a vaccine"
In Perth they have opened up the vaccine to lower age groups far quicker than planned basically due to the lower than planned take up rates. Whether that carries on I don't know but it has to have implications for their getting "herd immunity" and being able to open up. | |
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| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:38 - Jun 10 with 885 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:27 - Jun 10 by Lord_Lucan |
It's the way we are rolling, you can say this and that and yadda yadda but it is a commercial decision.
Comparing GB to Australia is like comparing Ipswich to London, both by way of population and economy. It's also a lot easier being locked down in the sunshine with a bloody great garden than it is in a high rise in Tottenham in all weathers. |
Yeah I agree that commercial interests have outweighed health. And it's been a disastrous commercial decision. We've had one of the deepest economic hits and slowest rebounds. You can't have high levels of economic activity when the virus is running rife.
I was comparing attitudes, but sure there are other differences. Oz (and some other countries) definitely have a different, more serious attitude politically. And we could have had too. All party colours aside our lot are feckin useless; everyone should be able to see that. | |
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| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:38 - Jun 10 with 884 views | Sarge |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:25 - Jun 10 by footers |
Downvote me all you want, you bunch of planks, but this is exactly how y'all come across when you use football/going to the pub/going dogging/visiting a steam rally as a Well Important Fing What I Need To Do Because Mental Health. You have no other excuse aside from minor things being an inconvenience so no wonder you do don't reply properly.
Stop using mental health as a sick ace in the hole for your selfishness. Mental health crises are very serious things indeed and aren't contained, controlled or cured by any of the above - real help should always be sought. If you have had or are suffering from extreme mental health issues, you should talk to your GP, call a non-profit such as the Samaritans or pay for private advice from qualified professionals.
We're at the tail end of the pandemic and some of you seem to have learnt nothing. All about you and your very specific wants, innit. Depressing.
P.S. I know this post isn't going to be at all popular but IDGAF. Surely all the tellin' it like it is crowd won't mind a bit of that though. |
What a bizarre outburst to your own shιtty comment. Only seems to be one person trivialising mental health here and that’s you. Who are you even replying to given that you’re the first comment on this thread? |  | | |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:38 - Jun 10 with 879 views | Ely_Blue |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:30 - Jun 10 by bluelagos |
You seem sure that those returning were flouting the rules.
But here's the thing, what if they were following the rules? Indian family. living with say 3 generations under the same roof. Grand parent legally returns from India after say a family funeral. They are on the amber list so the parent has to quarantine in the family home.
What of the rest of the family? Do they have to quarantine? (legally or even guidelines?) Cos if they don't, then the disease spreads and that is down (for me) to those who make the rules, not those who follow them.
Your assumptions will be true for some of course, but for others, they may well have been doing exactly as they were told yet still unwittingly seeding the virus in the community. |
Under what you say they would not be following the guidelines
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-to-quarantine-when-you-arrive-in-england | |
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| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:41 - Jun 10 with 868 views | Ely_Blue |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:33 - Jun 10 by bluelagos |
For a number of weeks, when Bangladesh was on the 'red list', India wasn't. That was when the variant was first coming in. To blame the people from India, rather than those who didn't take the steps to ensure they were using hotel quarantine (per red countries) is more than unfair imho. |
What I was replying to was that even if a country is on the red list it is relatively easy to flout the rules on returning from a red country you have visited as it’s a self declaration | |
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| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:44 - Jun 10 with 869 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Delta variant now 91% of cases in the UK on 17:38 - Jun 10 by Swansea_Blue |
Yeah I agree that commercial interests have outweighed health. And it's been a disastrous commercial decision. We've had one of the deepest economic hits and slowest rebounds. You can't have high levels of economic activity when the virus is running rife.
I was comparing attitudes, but sure there are other differences. Oz (and some other countries) definitely have a different, more serious attitude politically. And we could have had too. All party colours aside our lot are feckin useless; everyone should be able to see that. |
I strongly disagree that it has been a disastrous commercial decision, I think some have fallen through the cracks but by and large most sectors have managed to trade through and the support we have had for example has been phenomenal.
I feel most for the hospitality industry which is another reason why I want us to let rip. | |
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