| Electric car advice 13:09 - Jul 2 with 7775 views | Lord_Lucan |
Anyone know much about these?
I want to get one but must be pure electric, not hybrid.
I need an SUV type because I can't drive too low down, it winds me up. Trouble is the Range Rover or larger premium types prices are through the roof!
I've looked for a week now and the more I look the more confused I get, is there a mid range type like a Hyundai Santa Fe sort of thing available?
Or........Is it worth waiting for something new to be launched, anything imminent? - and how out of date will a current model be in 4 years time?
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| Electric car advice on 14:33 - Jul 2 with 1186 views | Vic |
| Electric car advice on 13:49 - Jul 2 by BloomBlue |
I do know 3 people who drive daily (Well almost daily) around the country because of their job and have all in their time had electric cars and all say the same tesla or nothing. That's purely because the Tesla charging network is far superior to all the other networks. They said they got fed-up with their software telling them a charger was free at xyz and it wasn't, or it told them there was a fast charger and there was an issue and the fast charging wasn't available, whereas the Tesla software was spot-on every time
Which magazine have done a great document on Electric cars, one of the big problems seems to be different connectors are required for different public charges. A lot of people get caught out with plugging into a public fast changer when their car doesn't accept a fast charge but the cost from the charge is still at the fast charge rate |
I was parked up next to the electric chargers at Peterborough services the other week. Guy pulls into the charging bay, fully loaded with holiday stuff, wife and kids. Looked like a new car so guess it was the first trip out together.
I watched as he spend about 15 minutes puzzling how to get the thing connected to the charger and gave up in the end with a very worried look on his face.
I mean, how DO you get on if you misjudge the miles and can’t get to a charger in time? We’ve all got to a petrol station on fumes but garages are 2 a Penny, but the correct electric connectors are a different matter! It’s enough to put me off at the moment!
I did chuckle though! |  |
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| Electric car advice on 14:36 - Jul 2 with 1173 views | giant_stow |
| Electric car advice on 14:16 - Jul 2 by JohnWarksTash |
With the 1% BIK tax electric cars are as affordable as ICE when you take into account fuel and duty.
I used to pay £308 plus £120 fuel a month for a fiat people carrier but now pay £380 plus £12 a month for a Tesla Model 3. It's when people have to shell out £50k plus it becomes out of the reach of most. I could have got the Hyundai Kona for even less, but decided to have another midlife crisis and get the Tesla :) |
Dont blame you - they look amazing fun! |  |
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| Electric car advice on 14:38 - Jul 2 with 1170 views | giant_stow |
| Electric car advice on 14:22 - Jul 2 by Lord_Lucan |
It's obviously just a lease Ulla but even when I was a wealthy man I never spent money on flash cars. To me, cars are just a waste of money.
I have no burning desire to shell out mega money and buy one. I think leasing is the way to go. You can get little hybrids for £100 a month now, it's crazy. |
Thats my mindset too on cars, but must admit, these figures make me stop and think. Mind you, I bought my old chugger outright so no monthly outgoing to save. Still, makes you think. 100 a month for a hybrid is amazing. | |
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| Electric car advice on 14:39 - Jul 2 with 1166 views | hype313 |
| Electric car advice on 14:33 - Jul 2 by Vic |
I was parked up next to the electric chargers at Peterborough services the other week. Guy pulls into the charging bay, fully loaded with holiday stuff, wife and kids. Looked like a new car so guess it was the first trip out together.
I watched as he spend about 15 minutes puzzling how to get the thing connected to the charger and gave up in the end with a very worried look on his face.
I mean, how DO you get on if you misjudge the miles and can’t get to a charger in time? We’ve all got to a petrol station on fumes but garages are 2 a Penny, but the correct electric connectors are a different matter! It’s enough to put me off at the moment!
I did chuckle though! |
That's just stupidity though, there are plenty of Apps that give you all the charging locations, surely if you are embracing EV then you would do plenty of research beforehand on ports and locations! |  |
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| Electric car advice on 14:42 - Jul 2 with 1165 views | JohnWarksTash |
| Electric car advice on 14:21 - Jul 2 by Pendejo |
Being nosey like...
Why not hybrid, more options better range cheaper easier to acquire.
Is there a FEV Mitsubishi Outlander?
Kia Niro not really jacked up enough to be SUV imo.
Audi Etron has been around a while, Mercedes EQC out not.. Or get and old RR and get the fellas from VV to convert. |
No real advantage of PHEV unless all you do it 10-15 mile jaunts.....in which case a BEV is perfectly usable anyway.
Carrying the heavy battery eats away at any MPG advantage too.
Servicing costs higher as well.... |  | | |
| [Redacted] on 14:48 - Jul 2 with 1146 views | victorywilhappen |
| Electric car advice on 14:32 - Jul 2 by Pendejo |
Are Volvo still public listing? Owned by a Chinese company aren't they? |
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| Electric car advice on 14:49 - Jul 2 with 1147 views | JakeITFC |
| Electric car advice on 14:33 - Jul 2 by Vic |
I was parked up next to the electric chargers at Peterborough services the other week. Guy pulls into the charging bay, fully loaded with holiday stuff, wife and kids. Looked like a new car so guess it was the first trip out together.
I watched as he spend about 15 minutes puzzling how to get the thing connected to the charger and gave up in the end with a very worried look on his face.
I mean, how DO you get on if you misjudge the miles and can’t get to a charger in time? We’ve all got to a petrol station on fumes but garages are 2 a Penny, but the correct electric connectors are a different matter! It’s enough to put me off at the moment!
I did chuckle though! |
Just requires a different mindset at the start of the journey.
I used to be somebody who would only stop on motorway journeys if absolutely necessary, but I quite enjoy the breaks now and trying to drive in a more economic way to conserve range rather than just flooring it is also quite fun.
99% of my journeys don't require charging anyway, so it's only those long ones that I have to prepare for - I can charge for free at work and for next to nothing at home so it's fine for my pottering around town and to the golf course. |  | | |
| Electric car advice on 14:50 - Jul 2 with 1139 views | azuremerlangus |
I think that is also available on a no-deposit 3-months notice open ended lease too?
£900 a month!
Just add insurance… [Post edited 2 Jul 2021 14:51]
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| Electric car advice on 14:52 - Jul 2 with 1135 views | BloomBlue |
| Electric car advice on 14:39 - Jul 2 by hype313 |
That's just stupidity though, there are plenty of Apps that give you all the charging locations, surely if you are embracing EV then you would do plenty of research beforehand on ports and locations! |
So I'm told based on people who have electric cars the apps need to improve greatly only the Tesla one seems to be constantly accurate. Ie software tells you a charger at xyz is a fast charger but you get there and it's not fast charging, or you get there and find the connector your car uses isn't working on that particular charger. Most annoying your car cannot charge at a fast charge rate but you arrive at a charger your software identifies and it's only a fast charge which you can charge from but it only supplies the charge at a low charge because that's all your can can take but from a cost perspective your charged at a fast charge rate. I think that's why Tesla at the moment is so far ahead of others their charging network/software is far superior.
It's the different connectors which seems to be one of the biggest challenges why they didn't insist on manufactures all using the same connectors is weird. Someone told me because they use an electric car a lot they have to carry around all the different connectors and they take up a large amount of space |  | | |
| Electric car advice on 14:54 - Jul 2 with 1115 views | Bluefish |
| Electric car advice on 14:21 - Jul 2 by Pendejo |
Being nosey like...
Why not hybrid, more options better range cheaper easier to acquire.
Is there a FEV Mitsubishi Outlander?
Kia Niro not really jacked up enough to be SUV imo.
Audi Etron has been around a while, Mercedes EQC out not.. Or get and old RR and get the fellas from VV to convert. |
Mitsubishi have withdrawn from the UK
BEV is the way forward |  |
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| Electric car advice on 15:20 - Jul 2 with 1113 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Electric car advice on 14:21 - Jul 2 by Pendejo |
Being nosey like...
Why not hybrid, more options better range cheaper easier to acquire.
Is there a FEV Mitsubishi Outlander?
Kia Niro not really jacked up enough to be SUV imo.
Audi Etron has been around a while, Mercedes EQC out not.. Or get and old RR and get the fellas from VV to convert. |
Because i am thick and don't know all about these things - but as I understand it if I were to drive to Birmingham it would drive on petrol but switch to electric for about 30 miles and then switch back again.
More than happy to be corrected. | |
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| Electric car advice on 15:32 - Jul 2 with 1098 views | JakeITFC |
| Electric car advice on 15:20 - Jul 2 by Lord_Lucan |
Because i am thick and don't know all about these things - but as I understand it if I were to drive to Birmingham it would drive on petrol but switch to electric for about 30 miles and then switch back again.
More than happy to be corrected. |
With a hybrid yes, with a BEV (full battery electric vehicle) no. | | | |
| Electric car advice on 15:33 - Jul 2 with 1104 views | ElephantintheRoom |
As someone not remotely interested in electric cars I am quite interested in all this 'free' electricty that they use. Why, in an era where we are being urged to cut our electricity consumption to save the planet (because our less than 1% contribution to the end of the earth is oh so important) does all this free electricity come from. Last time I looked we are fast running out of electricty to keep the grid running when England score a second goal against Germany - let along a few million electric cars wheezing between charging points |  |
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| Electric car advice on 15:40 - Jul 2 with 1091 views | JakeITFC |
| Electric car advice on 15:33 - Jul 2 by ElephantintheRoom |
As someone not remotely interested in electric cars I am quite interested in all this 'free' electricty that they use. Why, in an era where we are being urged to cut our electricity consumption to save the planet (because our less than 1% contribution to the end of the earth is oh so important) does all this free electricity come from. Last time I looked we are fast running out of electricty to keep the grid running when England score a second goal against Germany - let along a few million electric cars wheezing between charging points |
If the electricity used to charge the car is renewable then the car is responsible for zero emissions in its journey, compared to the CO2 emitted by petrol or diesel cars (there are some countries where the fuel mix is such that driving an EV is actually worse for the environment if they are largely burning coal/gas for their power grid).
There is a valid point about infrastructure in your post - the UK does need to invest in lots of new ways of generating and distributing power to solve current supply issues, plus the influx of new demand that comes from decarbonising transport (and similarly heat and other industries). | | | |
| Electric car advice on 15:48 - Jul 2 with 1066 views | Bluefish |
| Electric car advice on 15:33 - Jul 2 by ElephantintheRoom |
As someone not remotely interested in electric cars I am quite interested in all this 'free' electricty that they use. Why, in an era where we are being urged to cut our electricity consumption to save the planet (because our less than 1% contribution to the end of the earth is oh so important) does all this free electricity come from. Last time I looked we are fast running out of electricty to keep the grid running when England score a second goal against Germany - let along a few million electric cars wheezing between charging points |
Did you actually look? | |
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| Electric car advice on 15:50 - Jul 2 with 1074 views | Funge |
| Electric car advice on 13:48 - Jul 2 by hype313 |
What's going to be interesting is how the Govt react to the loss of fuel duty. |
Motorway tolls, most likely. |  | | |
| Electric car advice on 15:54 - Jul 2 with 1065 views | JohnWarksTash |
| Electric car advice on 15:33 - Jul 2 by ElephantintheRoom |
As someone not remotely interested in electric cars I am quite interested in all this 'free' electricty that they use. Why, in an era where we are being urged to cut our electricity consumption to save the planet (because our less than 1% contribution to the end of the earth is oh so important) does all this free electricity come from. Last time I looked we are fast running out of electricty to keep the grid running when England score a second goal against Germany - let along a few million electric cars wheezing between charging points |
Running out of electricity :)
Of course the electricity is kept in a big VAT and piped to the sockets..... | | | |
| Electric car advice on 16:09 - Jul 2 with 1054 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Electric car advice on 15:33 - Jul 2 by ElephantintheRoom |
As someone not remotely interested in electric cars I am quite interested in all this 'free' electricty that they use. Why, in an era where we are being urged to cut our electricity consumption to save the planet (because our less than 1% contribution to the end of the earth is oh so important) does all this free electricity come from. Last time I looked we are fast running out of electricty to keep the grid running when England score a second goal against Germany - let along a few million electric cars wheezing between charging points |
It is a valid point but I think the biggest problem will be the disposal of millions of batteries.
I have a sneaky feeling we could be creating a monster. | |
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| Electric car advice on 16:38 - Jul 2 with 1037 views | BlueJudge |
I have test driven the Kia E-Niro, VW id4 and the Ford Mach E. The car is for my wife and she really liked the iD4. They are great fun to drive, but the id4 just 'drove' better. Kia EV6 and Hyundai ioniq are going to be interesting. You would want the EV8 size when that comes out which will be this time next year I expect.
The ID4 will take 6 months from order to arrive....... Roll on November when it arrives. Once you have decided on the car, then comes home charger and tariff!!! | | | |
| Electric car advice on 18:14 - Jul 2 with 1001 views | BlueBlueBluex2 |
| Electric car advice on 15:32 - Jul 2 by JakeITFC |
With a hybrid yes, with a BEV (full battery electric vehicle) no. |
Not quite, no.
I have Mondeo Hybrid at the moment and can get the Electric to kick in at 70mph on the motorway and keep flicking in and out depending on my driving.
Getting 47 mpg from it which in an not impressed with but as I don’t pay for fuel it does not grind my gears too much.
Looking at a Model 3 or more likely the BMW 330e as a new one later this year. Full electric is the way to go, although charging at home into the mains only gets you 10 miles of range for a full hours charging. | | | |
| Electric car advice on 20:02 - Jul 2 with 957 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Electric car advice on 15:33 - Jul 2 by ElephantintheRoom |
As someone not remotely interested in electric cars I am quite interested in all this 'free' electricty that they use. Why, in an era where we are being urged to cut our electricity consumption to save the planet (because our less than 1% contribution to the end of the earth is oh so important) does all this free electricity come from. Last time I looked we are fast running out of electricty to keep the grid running when England score a second goal against Germany - let along a few million electric cars wheezing between charging points |
Electric cars aren't only energy users - they're also useful energy stores. A future energy system will use the huge number of car batteries as a short-term reserve during period of high demand and use them as an outlet during periods of plentiful renewables or low demand (rather than having to shut off windfarms at night).
We're currently electrifying our fleet, and will have several MWh of capacity when complete. The plan is use them to power the depot during peak periods to reduce our electricity costs. I wouldn't be surprised if in the next decade or two it becomes common practice to power your house using your car battery during certain times of the day. |  | | |
| Electric car advice on 20:20 - Jul 2 with 948 views | Texaco73 |
I've test driven both the ID3 and Kia e-niro.
The Kia is OK but i thought the seats were horribly firm. The interior is in a much more traditional layout with standard buttons for controls.
Overall it's a bit vanilla.
The ID3 is a much better and exciting drive. It is as fast as a gti. The acceleration is outstanding and handling is great. (That said, the e-niro is quick too as you would expect with all the torque that electric motors deliver.)
It's a big change on the interior though. You have touch screens for controls of everything.
The range on the id3, depending on model, will do 270+ miles on a charge.
The Id4 is much bigger, overall with a bigger price tag, but the id3 is pretty high as the whole floor pan is battery. Therefore it's a bit higher up seating.
Go for test drives. Its the only way you will really know if it's right for you.
I was astounded how good electric cars are. Whole new driving experience.
I have an ID3 on order. |  | | |
| Electric car advice on 22:44 - Jul 2 with 895 views | emergencylime |
Agree Tesla Supercharger network is the standout no-brainer at the moment, but Gridserve (the guys with the EV hub at Braintree) announced on their YouTube channel today that they're upgrading all the old Ecotricity motorway services chargers to contactless payment, with the medium-term aim of removing the app/tap element altogether. |  |
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| Electric car advice on 23:16 - Jul 2 with 883 views | linhdi |
I will buy electric the second I can find an EV with a 300 mile range + a 100-mile backup petrol range. Until then, I have no interest.
Last week, I did an 820-mile drive in a day, with just one 10-min fuel stop. I would be fine with an hour stop at some stage to charge an EV, but anything more would be beyond a pain in the backside.
I often do 550 miles in a day ( e.g. Fleetwood away...), with no electric charge point at the midpoint. So, until the range improvea or charging infrastructure improves, it isn't for me. | | | |
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