| Things not going as planned for Boris 21:36 - Jul 10 with 7020 views | StokieBlue |
It seems that 50% want "freedom day" pushed back, hospitals and transport want masks to be compulsory and a number of restaurant and pub chains are planning on keeping the mask requirement and social distancing in their establishments.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/10/public-alarm-grows-at-boris-johnso
Can only see all of the above increasing over the next 9 days.
Follow the science and data, not the popularism.
SB
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| Things not going as planned for Boris on 22:48 - Jul 10 with 2083 views | Vic |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 22:40 - Jul 10 by StokieBlue |
Well we know that the number lies somewhere between 1% and 50% so that's an awful lot of adults.
Why should we pander to them? Why should we be subjected to something that could possibly damage our health because they are unwilling to accept the science?
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We shouldn’t!
But unless I’m reading the wrong things (I get all my news from TWTD!) pretty much everyone actually things freedom day on 19th July is an increasingly bad idea. So all I’m saying is that if everyone who thinks it’s a bad idea just keeps doing what we’ve been doing (as they are perfectly entitled to do) then it won’t be be as bad as feared.
Anecdotally I’m hearing increasing numbers of people say they will continue to wear masks in certain situations (in public places where there are lots of people etc.) All I’m saying is that we all need to take responsibility and do what’s right and not do it only because we’re told to. |  |
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| Things not going as planned for Boris on 22:49 - Jul 10 with 2079 views | Mullet |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 22:47 - Jul 10 by NewcyBlue |
Seb’s whole school has been shut because all of the kids are now having to self isolate due to the amount of Covid positive kids that were there. |
It's awful as well as there is no solid idea for what exposure to / contracting covid and long covid will do to that generation either. Could be like polio and impact those that survive and seemingly escape unharmed too. |  |
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| Things not going as planned for Boris on 22:51 - Jul 10 with 2066 views | jeera |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 22:47 - Jul 10 by NewcyBlue |
Seb’s whole school has been shut because all of the kids are now having to self isolate due to the amount of Covid positive kids that were there. |
But that's going to magically disappear in a couple of weeks time.
It makes no sense.
There have been schools with entire years as 'bubbles' for goodness' sake and it's not worked, so the solution is to now do away with all precautions? |  |
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| Things not going as planned for Boris on 22:51 - Jul 10 with 2056 views | chrismakin |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 22:49 - Jul 10 by Mullet |
It's awful as well as there is no solid idea for what exposure to / contracting covid and long covid will do to that generation either. Could be like polio and impact those that survive and seemingly escape unharmed too. |
Unfortunately a lot dont care. It seems to be more important to be able to go dancing. Holidaying abroad etc. |  |
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| Things not going as planned for Boris on 22:52 - Jul 10 with 2057 views | Vic |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 22:47 - Jul 10 by hoppy |
Too many people can’t take responsibility and basic precaution before entering. |
I’m not really arguing for ‘freedom day’, I guess I’m just frustrated and disappointed that it seems to many people are so selfish. My positive nature likes to think that the overwhelming majority in our country a decent and thoughtful people who for the same of others will do what is right. If the majority won’t do that whatever state have we come to! A very sad state of affairs. | |
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| Things not going as planned for Boris on 22:54 - Jul 10 with 2044 views | jeera |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 22:48 - Jul 10 by Vic |
We shouldn’t!
But unless I’m reading the wrong things (I get all my news from TWTD!) pretty much everyone actually things freedom day on 19th July is an increasingly bad idea. So all I’m saying is that if everyone who thinks it’s a bad idea just keeps doing what we’ve been doing (as they are perfectly entitled to do) then it won’t be be as bad as feared.
Anecdotally I’m hearing increasing numbers of people say they will continue to wear masks in certain situations (in public places where there are lots of people etc.) All I’m saying is that we all need to take responsibility and do what’s right and not do it only because we’re told to. |
There have been mass protests over the past year against protective measures.
Unless you've lived in a cave you must know there is a percentage who are idiots.
Or just plain selfish.
Hell, there's been a number on full view on here.
You are now expecting them to suddenly wake up and take some responsibility?
If you own a store and get only 5 per day who play up and cause trouble, that's potentially 35 per week.
Imagine having to deal with that all time at work, when trying to do your job. | |
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| Things not going as planned for Boris on 23:03 - Jul 10 with 2013 views | footers |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 22:54 - Jul 10 by jeera |
There have been mass protests over the past year against protective measures.
Unless you've lived in a cave you must know there is a percentage who are idiots.
Or just plain selfish.
Hell, there's been a number on full view on here.
You are now expecting them to suddenly wake up and take some responsibility?
If you own a store and get only 5 per day who play up and cause trouble, that's potentially 35 per week.
Imagine having to deal with that all time at work, when trying to do your job. |
This.
I feel really bad for my local corner shop owners as they're, I'm guessing, well into their 70s by now but obviously don't want the hassle of turning people away but also can't enforce the rules themselves. They basically have to just get on with whatever people want.
How is that fair to put the burden on them? All well and good saying 'people can choose' but some people, like these guys, can't choose for themselves and have to rely on others to do the right thing - which they won't. |  |
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| Things not going as planned for Boris on 23:05 - Jul 10 with 2009 views | BlueBadger |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 22:24 - Jul 10 by braveblue |
He said it was up to businesses to make their own plans. As can individuals. We need to get past relying on government to tell everyone what to do!! If we don’t go for it now it will be next April and we will be bankrupt!! |
Actually, I'd just like to amend my previous two answers to 'give over you massive fanny'. |  |
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| Things not going as planned for Boris on 23:07 - Jul 10 with 2002 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 22:34 - Jul 10 by Vic |
Not wanting to be controversial but if everyone who thinks it’s a bad idea to remove legal restrictions voluntarily continues to wear masks and socially distance that will go a long way helping things. Most surveys suggest upwards of 50% want mask wearing to continue - well it can if they do it! Do we really need a law to make us do what’s good for us and others? |
Suspect if the survey split it down by age group that you would find that age groups where case numbers are rising lower would be the age groups more in favour of continuing to wear masks etc. |  |
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| Things not going as planned for Boris on 23:09 - Jul 10 with 1991 views | jeera |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 23:03 - Jul 10 by footers |
This.
I feel really bad for my local corner shop owners as they're, I'm guessing, well into their 70s by now but obviously don't want the hassle of turning people away but also can't enforce the rules themselves. They basically have to just get on with whatever people want.
How is that fair to put the burden on them? All well and good saying 'people can choose' but some people, like these guys, can't choose for themselves and have to rely on others to do the right thing - which they won't. |
It would be fine if people respected the sign on the door, made their own choice and left to shop somewhere else.
But that is not what is happening.
People don't acknowledge someone's rights as an owner and think they have the right to enter and dictate their own rules regardless.
It comes back down to lack of basic respect which has been cropping up more and more lately with some people bizarrely pushing back on it.
All people have to do is imagine their own mother, father, kid brother, sister being bullied in such and such a way and behave accordingly.
It's not hard. | |
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| Things not going as planned for Boris on 23:11 - Jul 10 with 1979 views | BlueNomad |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 22:40 - Jul 10 by footers |
About 52% of the British public are morons, if that's any help to you. |
You beat me to it! |  | | |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 23:22 - Jul 10 with 1959 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 23:11 - Jul 10 by BlueNomad |
You beat me to it! |
Figure is probably below 50% now as quite a few have died in the last five years. | |
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| Things not going as planned for Boris on 23:24 - Jul 10 with 1954 views | footers |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 23:09 - Jul 10 by jeera |
It would be fine if people respected the sign on the door, made their own choice and left to shop somewhere else.
But that is not what is happening.
People don't acknowledge someone's rights as an owner and think they have the right to enter and dictate their own rules regardless.
It comes back down to lack of basic respect which has been cropping up more and more lately with some people bizarrely pushing back on it.
All people have to do is imagine their own mother, father, kid brother, sister being bullied in such and such a way and behave accordingly.
It's not hard. |
Darn tootin', jeers me old fruit. You should run for PM.
Signs on the door - mask required, only two in the shop at a time. Not difficult, is it? But no. People just waltz in, no mask, no thought of others. It really is sad. And for what? A 30-second wait for your paper or whatever? No trouble, is it?
balls . | |
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| Things not going as planned for Boris on 23:24 - Jul 10 with 1954 views | Mullet |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 23:22 - Jul 10 by Pinewoodblue |
Figure is probably below 50% now as quite a few have died in the last five years. |
Especially in the last 12 months unfortunately. | |
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| Things not going as planned for Boris on 23:25 - Jul 10 with 1945 views | footers |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 22:47 - Jul 10 by hoppy |
Too many people can’t take responsibility and basic precaution before entering. |
Good Catholic boys like me like to take a chance here and there. | |
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| Things not going as planned for Boris on 23:36 - Jul 10 with 1923 views | hoppy |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 23:09 - Jul 10 by jeera |
It would be fine if people respected the sign on the door, made their own choice and left to shop somewhere else.
But that is not what is happening.
People don't acknowledge someone's rights as an owner and think they have the right to enter and dictate their own rules regardless.
It comes back down to lack of basic respect which has been cropping up more and more lately with some people bizarrely pushing back on it.
All people have to do is imagine their own mother, father, kid brother, sister being bullied in such and such a way and behave accordingly.
It's not hard. |
“All people have to do is imagine their own mother, father, kid brother, sister…”
Oops, we’ve lost Ulla there… |  |
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| Things not going as planned for Boris on 23:39 - Jul 10 with 1907 views | hoppy |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 23:25 - Jul 10 by footers |
Good Catholic boys like me like to take a chance here and there. |
But still wearing a mask, I assume? | |
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| Things not going as planned for Boris on 01:20 - Jul 11 with 1835 views | XYZ |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 22:38 - Jul 10 by Vic |
How many moron as are there though Stokie? Can we not make it socially unacceptable to ignore common sense? So many are saying the government have got it wrong that if they all ignore the gov and carry on wearing masks etc then surely things won’t be as bad as we fear. Just because we can stop doesn’t mean we should. |
Around 52%.
Edit - this depressing fact has been covered by Footers, I see.
Vale UK. [Post edited 11 Jul 2021 1:29]
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| Things not going as planned for Boris on 09:25 - Jul 11 with 1721 views | braveblue |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 22:29 - Jul 10 by eireblue |
That’s the spirit. I am going to decide on how much I want to be taxed next.
Pah to government, laws and regulations, they can’t tell me what do. |
Take some responsibility. | | | |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 09:28 - Jul 11 with 1712 views | braveblue |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 22:38 - Jul 10 by BlueBadger |
Exactly how is putting a mask on a train or a shop going to send someone bankrupt? |
Hospitality say they cannot survive with table service only. | | | |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 09:29 - Jul 11 with 1711 views | StokieBlue |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 09:25 - Jul 11 by braveblue |
Take some responsibility. |
Your position is very strange.
Many will take responsibility but the government are elected to lead and an awful lot of people will take their lead from the government and not look at the data or science themselves.
This excusing of the government is pretty outrageous. Why should we have to fight against the message they are putting out? It's nonsensical.
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| Things not going as planned for Boris on 09:29 - Jul 11 with 1709 views | braveblue |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 22:29 - Jul 10 by jeera |
Asking people to take some basic precautions when entering a premises is not going to send people bust.
Putting the responsibility of those decisions onto those businesses is placing them in the firing line.
If the government opened up, as we already pretty much are, whilst insisting people follow some basic principles as legal guidance, it protects those people who will have to otherwise take the abuse on a daily basis. [Post edited 10 Jul 2021 22:31]
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It’s up to all of us to be sensible. Is that too much to ask or do you need a legal requirement before you do it!! | | | |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 09:30 - Jul 11 with 1706 views | lowhouseblue |
will that 50% still be following the current lockdown rules tonight though? will they be keeping to the rule of 6 or two households inside? inside or out will they be maintaining 2m distance from everyone not in their own household (unless they're wearing a face covering)? responding to an opinion poll is the easy bit. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Things not going as planned for Boris on 09:30 - Jul 11 with 1708 views | StokieBlue |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 09:28 - Jul 11 by braveblue |
Hospitality say they cannot survive with table service only. |
Yet in the article I posted a number of hospitality chains have said they will keep social distancing and the requirement to wear masks in their establishments.
I am sure you are correct for many hospitality venues but to say "hospitality" can't survive isn't true for all. I think you'll find a lot more hospitality venues following the lead of these companies and having a requirement for masks and possibly distancing in their venues counter to whatever the government says.
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| Things not going as planned for Boris on 09:30 - Jul 11 with 1707 views | braveblue |
| Things not going as planned for Boris on 22:33 - Jul 10 by StokieBlue |
It's simply not true it's it given that no other country is "going for it". Are they all going to be bankrupt? Where did you pluck next April from? It should all be dictated by the science.
Do you think the morons are going to respect the wishes of the businesses or do you think they are going to ignore them and cite the government saying things were optional?
SB |
USA doing pretty well as is Israel. High levels of vaccinations.
Scientists say don’t open up in winter. So next Spring it would be. | | | |
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