| Why can't you blame him? 00:37 - Jul 12 with 5764 views | DinnernotTea |
Odd losers mentality that. Because the handbrake worked for 6 games, on the 7th game it had to come off. From 30th until 120th minute we were way off and his choice of subs and who was wrong. Like 2018 we take an early lead and management not good enough to react when we can't get the football.
Grealish should've been on 60 minutes or just before.
It's a weak stiff upper lip mentality saying "well at least we got to the final.'
Odd and bizarre penalty takers choice too.
I'm in the minority but thought Southgate got pretty much everything wrong tonight so yes he is to blame. |  |
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| Why can't you blame him? on 09:29 - Jul 12 with 2309 views | Guthrum |
| Why can't you blame him? on 09:00 - Jul 12 by pointofblue |
It’s not the losing on the penalties that’s the problem - that happens. It’s the utter and complete inept performance of the second half, and Southgate’s lack of action to try and remedy it. |
Or the Italians were rather good and didn't allow us to do the things we wanted. Perhaps Southgate thought we didn't have anything on the bench to really remedy that - as proved to be the case when the subs did come on.
After all, apart from the against Ukraine, we have scored mostly by individual, incisive attacks, not dominating opponents and pinning them back. Italy stopped those. [Post edited 12 Jul 2021 9:31]
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| Why can't you blame him? on 09:47 - Jul 12 with 2270 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Why can't you blame him? on 08:51 - Jul 12 by StochesStotasBlewe |
In the end, a little bit more experience and composure won it for Italy.
England players and Gareth Southgate have done the nation proud and being a relatively young squad will get even better.
At last, we have learned how to play tournament football against the very best international teams.
Well played Italy.
Well played England. |
This. |  |
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| Why can't you blame him? on 09:52 - Jul 12 with 2274 views | Churchman |
| Why can't you blame him? on 09:26 - Jul 12 by Guthrum |
Yes, of course they did, I misremembered.
As I said in another thread, we need to emulate those teams in regularly getting to finals, not seeing it as a once-in-a-lifetime chance which we have to capitalise on, or wait another few decades. That, for me, is the most encouraging thing about Southgate's tenure so far. We have reached semi finals and better in successive major tournaments. |
Yes, agreed, we are getting closer.
One of the most hopeful aspects of that was a little thing really. I noticed that virtually all the England players hauled off their losers medals as soon as they were presented with them. It showed me they weren’t just ‘happy to be there’. A good sign. |  | | |
| Why can't you blame him? on 10:43 - Jul 12 with 2239 views | mikeybloo88 |
Why? Because his opinion is different to yours? Southgate's defensive strategy, tactics and selections ultimately didn't work and given the attacking talent at his disposal it is reasonable to question him. Suggesting that getting to within a penalty shoot out of winning the tournament is proof that everything is perfect and we shouldn't consider whether other options may have won it is the type of myopic thinking which leads to never winning anything... |  | | |
| Why can't you blame him? on 11:34 - Jul 12 with 2228 views | Iwasthere |
| Why can't you blame him? on 10:43 - Jul 12 by mikeybloo88 |
Why? Because his opinion is different to yours? Southgate's defensive strategy, tactics and selections ultimately didn't work and given the attacking talent at his disposal it is reasonable to question him. Suggesting that getting to within a penalty shoot out of winning the tournament is proof that everything is perfect and we shouldn't consider whether other options may have won it is the type of myopic thinking which leads to never winning anything... |
Totally agree and feel that Southgate has gone as far as he is likely to. The only time he got tactics right was against Germany and that was not too difficult to do.. An OG and "penalty" was needed to beat Denmark when we should have, on paper, easily beaten them with the players at his disposal.
Another little insight to Southgates negative thinking was when he originally selected four right backs in his original squad.
Prove me wrong Southgate and convince you are not McCarthy in disguise. | | | |
| Why can't you blame him? on 12:10 - Jul 12 with 2206 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| Why can't you blame him? on 11:34 - Jul 12 by Iwasthere |
Totally agree and feel that Southgate has gone as far as he is likely to. The only time he got tactics right was against Germany and that was not too difficult to do.. An OG and "penalty" was needed to beat Denmark when we should have, on paper, easily beaten them with the players at his disposal.
Another little insight to Southgates negative thinking was when he originally selected four right backs in his original squad.
Prove me wrong Southgate and convince you are not McCarthy in disguise. |
I’ll ask Pep if he’s available. |  |
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| Why can't you blame him? on 12:12 - Jul 12 with 2205 views | pointofblue |
| Why can't you blame him? on 11:34 - Jul 12 by Iwasthere |
Totally agree and feel that Southgate has gone as far as he is likely to. The only time he got tactics right was against Germany and that was not too difficult to do.. An OG and "penalty" was needed to beat Denmark when we should have, on paper, easily beaten them with the players at his disposal.
Another little insight to Southgates negative thinking was when he originally selected four right backs in his original squad.
Prove me wrong Southgate and convince you are not McCarthy in disguise. |
You say that about the right backs but all four are pretty attack minded. | |
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| Why can't you blame him? on 12:16 - Jul 12 with 2203 views | Oldboy |
Absolutely blame him and the players. Badly let us down. |  | | |
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| Why can't you blame him? on 12:20 - Jul 12 with 2191 views | SE1blue |
In his press conference this morning Southgate has said he accepts the blame.
I’m sure there’s nobody more reflective than him today. |  |
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| Why can't you blame him? on 12:23 - Jul 12 with 2182 views | TractorCam |
| Why can't you blame him? on 12:20 - Jul 12 by SE1blue |
In his press conference this morning Southgate has said he accepts the blame.
I’m sure there’s nobody more reflective than him today. |
Another classy interview by him, doesn't want anyone blaming the players after the tournament they've had, especially after the disgusting racial abuse.
We're very lucky to have a close knit squad under an excellent manager, something we've never had in my lifetime. Sad way to lose but future continues to look bright, a lot of these players haven't even hit their peak yet. |  |
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| Why can't you blame him? on 12:28 - Jul 12 with 2156 views | TractorCam |
| Why can't you blame him? on 11:34 - Jul 12 by Iwasthere |
Totally agree and feel that Southgate has gone as far as he is likely to. The only time he got tactics right was against Germany and that was not too difficult to do.. An OG and "penalty" was needed to beat Denmark when we should have, on paper, easily beaten them with the players at his disposal.
Another little insight to Southgates negative thinking was when he originally selected four right backs in his original squad.
Prove me wrong Southgate and convince you are not McCarthy in disguise. |
How can you possibly have this attitude after that tournament? We've literally lost at the last possible moment of the final, if Sancho and Saka bury their penalties this post wouldn't exist and you'd be praising them.
God forbid what manager would come in if Southgate left, I hope you wouldn't expect a big name as you'd be disappointed. | |
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| Why can't you blame him? on 12:29 - Jul 12 with 2154 views | Oldboy |
Tractorcam.
Guess you are young. Over hyped the lot of them. Get use to it, it ain't ever coming home. | | | |
| Why can't you blame him? on 12:48 - Jul 12 with 2116 views | TractorCam |
| Why can't you blame him? on 12:29 - Jul 12 by Oldboy |
Tractorcam.
Guess you are young. Over hyped the lot of them. Get use to it, it ain't ever coming home. |
They are not overhyped, they got to the final and on merit. I presume you didn't watch last night and don't watch at all if this is your attitude to this team.
For your sake let's hope Southgate goes and we get Steve Bruce, he was next in line to Southgate in 2016. | |
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| Why can't you blame him? on 13:09 - Jul 12 with 2089 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| Why can't you blame him? on 12:48 - Jul 12 by TractorCam |
They are not overhyped, they got to the final and on merit. I presume you didn't watch last night and don't watch at all if this is your attitude to this team.
For your sake let's hope Southgate goes and we get Steve Bruce, he was next in line to Southgate in 2016. |
The best thing the FA ever did was appointing fat Sam as manager. His subsequent shenanigans opened up the eyes of the powers that be to give the job to Southgate in a caretaker role, then a permanent one.
As much as Sven, Fabio, Roy and the like were all fine club managers, Gareth saw the changes needed to take England forward to the next level, which he has done in 5 years at the helm.
We’re now competing with the very best in international tournament football and can only get better in my opinion.
The players, manager and staff can take the disappointment of last night to the next World Cup
and be all the stronger for it. | |
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It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub. |
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| Why can't you blame him? on 13:27 - Jul 12 with 2070 views | Bobbychase |
Have to agree. He said this morning he chose the penalty takers so it's not the players' fault. Having been through the agony and tension of a shoot-out himself, why did he think it was a good idea to put two of the youngest players in the squad through it and also Rashford, who had only just entered the maelstrom of the match.
Italy had two ageing centre halves on bookings - we should have been running at them every chance we got, but kept punting it long to Kane, who hardly won anything in the air all night.
It is an incredible achievement to reach a major final so he and the players should be applauded for that, but for the first chance of a trophy in 55 years to come down to some awful penalties taken by kids overtaken by nerves feels like a huge missed opportunity. |  |
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| Why can't you blame him? on 16:10 - Jul 12 with 2020 views | RobTheMonk |
Rashford hadn't even been featured before the pens had he?
I can't help but think that Southgate wanted, even subconsciously, to give Rashford a swansong to all his good work he's done outside of football.
But heyho, we lost, penalties were rubbish, we go again. |  | | |
| Why can't you blame him? on 16:36 - Jul 12 with 1995 views | rickw |
I've disagreed with several things Southgate's done throughout the tournament, but he's been proved right. Even last night the system worked, Italy were struggling with our shape for 30 mins, however they adapted and fixed it, then we were too slow to change it.
He indicated the 5 penalty takers were those who were best in training, however I also think he left it too late to bring on Rashford and Sancho they didn't have the chance to get a feel for the game. In '96 Venables was criticised for the opposite - we had penalty takers on the bench but he didn't bring them on and Southgate missed, I think as we lost he would have been criticised for whatever decisions he made.
I kind of think Southgate is learning as he goes, whereas Mancini is more experienced and knew what to do, however Southgate is improving, Semi Final -> Final -> ? |  |
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| Why can't you blame him? on 19:04 - Jul 12 with 1972 views | Oldboy |
| Why can't you blame him? on 12:48 - Jul 12 by TractorCam |
They are not overhyped, they got to the final and on merit. I presume you didn't watch last night and don't watch at all if this is your attitude to this team.
For your sake let's hope Southgate goes and we get Steve Bruce, he was next in line to Southgate in 2016. |
Did we win? We wouldn't have won with Bruce either. I have watched between 15-20 major tournaments and been to 5 of them. I am fed up with this country settling for second best. Do you think Italians would have settled for losing, seeing it as an achievement for making the final? Thought not. | | | |
| Why can't you blame him? on 19:08 - Jul 12 with 1957 views | XYZ |
| Why can't you blame him? on 19:04 - Jul 12 by Oldboy |
Did we win? We wouldn't have won with Bruce either. I have watched between 15-20 major tournaments and been to 5 of them. I am fed up with this country settling for second best. Do you think Italians would have settled for losing, seeing it as an achievement for making the final? Thought not. |
You must have had a miserable life using those parameters. | | | |
| Why can't you blame him? on 20:21 - Jul 12 with 1925 views | Oldboy |
| Why can't you blame him? on 19:08 - Jul 12 by XYZ |
You must have had a miserable life using those parameters. |
Following England, yes. Congratulating and calling them heroes is ridiculous to me. The country's that win the most, do not settle for making finals. Until we let them know that it isn't acceptable, the longer it will last. | | | |
| Why can't you blame him? on 20:51 - Jul 12 with 1912 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
It's just really fcking tragic that this blame culture in England has got to this point.
We beat Germany and thrashed Ukraine. We had a great defensive record.
We got to the Final. We played a team who hadn't lost in 33 games. A team who also beat good teams to get to the Final.
At the end of 90 minutes we were level with them.
Another 30 minutes couldn't separate us.
We lost on penalties.
And now you (and other people) say it isn't good enough, Southgate failed and we shouldn't congratulate them because that is a weak mentality.
Absolute Bollox.
We were beaten (by the narrowest of margins to quote Ian Smith, the NZ cricket great) by a very good team, having taken them all the way.
Well done Gareth Southgate.
Well done all the players on the greatest achievement of your lives so far.
Apart from Marcus Rashford...
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...congratulations to him for the second greatest achievement of his life so far. | | | |
| Why can't you blame him? on 21:15 - Jul 12 with 1894 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Why can't you blame him? on 01:37 - Jul 12 by pointofblue |
Would argue Southgate has a better pool of players to choose from than Robson - would like to have seen what Sir Bobby would do with this bunch. |
Robson had some great players, certainly had a better midfield.
Hoddle, Robson, Waddle, Barnes (who he under used), Trevor Steven. he also had Lineker in his prime, Beardsley, Tony Adams, Kenny Sansom. Butcher. Great talent. |  |
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| Why can't you blame him? on 21:22 - Jul 12 with 1892 views | XYZ |
| Why can't you blame him? on 20:21 - Jul 12 by Oldboy |
Following England, yes. Congratulating and calling them heroes is ridiculous to me. The country's that win the most, do not settle for making finals. Until we let them know that it isn't acceptable, the longer it will last. |
Do you have children? do you take the same approach to parenthood?
You're completely wrong by the way (IMO) - winners propagate their talent.
"Countries" btw. I'm just letting you know that your spelling is unacceptable. It's what you'd want. | | | |
| Why can't you blame him? on 22:52 - Jul 12 with 1872 views | TractorCam |
| Why can't you blame him? on 20:21 - Jul 12 by Oldboy |
Following England, yes. Congratulating and calling them heroes is ridiculous to me. The country's that win the most, do not settle for making finals. Until we let them know that it isn't acceptable, the longer it will last. |
Actually judging by Italians on social media, they in fact would have been very happy regardless of what happened, given their failure to even qualify for the last World Cup.
It's the second final we've ever been in, and we lost it on penalties. Italy didn't slap us 5-0, we lost on penalties. They absolutely deserve congratulations for reaching this far, given that we are not one of the countries that win the most, as you seem to obviously think. | |
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| Why can't you blame him? on 22:58 - Jul 12 with 1864 views | jeera |
| Why can't you blame him? on 22:52 - Jul 12 by TractorCam |
Actually judging by Italians on social media, they in fact would have been very happy regardless of what happened, given their failure to even qualify for the last World Cup.
It's the second final we've ever been in, and we lost it on penalties. Italy didn't slap us 5-0, we lost on penalties. They absolutely deserve congratulations for reaching this far, given that we are not one of the countries that win the most, as you seem to obviously think. |
It's utterly bizarre that people feel personally let down by this.
I've had a great month of entertainment of tournament football in which England have played and conducted themselves well.
Why are some people so ready to turn on their own like this and why do they feel they are personally owed something?
It's really weird. |  |
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