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Coulson Downes swap then? 08:09 - Jul 16 with 3488 viewsGavTWTD

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Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:12 - Jul 16 with 2798 viewsbluejacko

Bidding war perhaps?😀
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Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:38 - Jul 16 with 2505 viewschrismakin

If i've understood FFP correctly for league 1, swap deals won't be ideal as we'd lose the opportunity to put some % of the potential transfer fee towards our new wage availability. So it's better for us to get say £1 mill to have the 60% available, and then spend say £1 mill as it doesn't effect our wage pot as outgoing spend isn't included.

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Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:38 - Jul 16 with 2494 viewshomer_123

But if your squad is low on numbers, swapping isn't quite the answer?

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Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:40 - Jul 16 with 2449 viewsGavTWTD

Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:38 - Jul 16 by homer_123

But if your squad is low on numbers, swapping isn't quite the answer?


If we want him and he’s only available as a swap, and they want Downes, then that’s an easy deal Shirley?

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Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:43 - Jul 16 with 2397 viewschrismakin

Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:38 - Jul 16 by homer_123

But if your squad is low on numbers, swapping isn't quite the answer?


Unless they would like to take Jackson and Kenlock too....

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Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:43 - Jul 16 with 2403 viewstonybied

Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:38 - Jul 16 by homer_123

But if your squad is low on numbers, swapping isn't quite the answer?


Downes is not part of the squad so swapping him for someone who would be is increasing the squad numbers.
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Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:44 - Jul 16 with 2382 viewspointofblue

Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:38 - Jul 16 by chrismakin

If i've understood FFP correctly for league 1, swap deals won't be ideal as we'd lose the opportunity to put some % of the potential transfer fee towards our new wage availability. So it's better for us to get say £1 mill to have the 60% available, and then spend say £1 mill as it doesn't effect our wage pot as outgoing spend isn't included.


I wondered why we didn’t just do an exchange plus cash between Fraser and Bishop; I guess that’s it.

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Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:44 - Jul 16 with 2364 viewsfranz_tyson

Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:38 - Jul 16 by homer_123

But if your squad is low on numbers, swapping isn't quite the answer?


Downes has no future here. If a swap deal speeds things up and gets us a player with extra cash then what does it matter? We automatically fill the LB position and have extra cash that could be used for additional transfers.
Makes sense to me.
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Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:50 - Jul 16 with 2268 viewstractorboy1978

Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:44 - Jul 16 by franz_tyson

Downes has no future here. If a swap deal speeds things up and gets us a player with extra cash then what does it matter? We automatically fill the LB position and have extra cash that could be used for additional transfers.
Makes sense to me.


Because if we sell him for £1m, that gives us an extra £600k to spend on wages within the cap (60% of £1m). If we sell him for £500k + Coulson that gives us an extra £300k to spend on wages within the cap. So that extra £300k could be an extra player on £6k a week.
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Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:53 - Jul 16 with 2216 viewsBseaBlue

Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:38 - Jul 16 by chrismakin

If i've understood FFP correctly for league 1, swap deals won't be ideal as we'd lose the opportunity to put some % of the potential transfer fee towards our new wage availability. So it's better for us to get say £1 mill to have the 60% available, and then spend say £1 mill as it doesn't effect our wage pot as outgoing spend isn't included.


Is there a loop hole here? Could we not sell Downes for 2 million and then buy Coulson for 2 million? Then it's a straight swap but the 2 million would count towards our Revenue wouldn't it?
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Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:54 - Jul 16 with 2196 viewsMetal_Hacker

Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:43 - Jul 16 by tonybied

Downes is not part of the squad so swapping him for someone who would be is increasing the squad numbers.


Is he NOT part of the squad ?

Thought he was just "training" with the U23's - that makes him NOT part of the squad ?

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Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:55 - Jul 16 with 2183 viewschrismakin

Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:53 - Jul 16 by BseaBlue

Is there a loop hole here? Could we not sell Downes for 2 million and then buy Coulson for 2 million? Then it's a straight swap but the 2 million would count towards our Revenue wouldn't it?


Pretty much yes. As it would be separate transactions and not a formal swap deal.

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Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:57 - Jul 16 with 2133 viewstonybied

Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:54 - Jul 16 by Metal_Hacker

Is he NOT part of the squad ?

Thought he was just "training" with the U23's - that makes him NOT part of the squad ?


He is not part of the first team squad and it seems that is not likely to change anytime. He is of no use to anyone sitting in the under 23 squad.
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Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:59 - Jul 16 with 2120 viewsGavTWTD

I think you’re missing the point I was making. However the deal is made, or framed, they want Downes, we (may) want Coulson. Sorted. Next!

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Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:01 - Jul 16 with 2073 viewsMetal_Hacker

Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:57 - Jul 16 by tonybied

He is not part of the first team squad and it seems that is not likely to change anytime. He is of no use to anyone sitting in the under 23 squad.


I knew he wasn't involved with the "squad" obviously but didn't realise that made him not part of it until we announced it

Fair enough

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Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:05 - Jul 16 with 2014 viewshomer_123

Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:40 - Jul 16 by GavTWTD

If we want him and he’s only available as a swap, and they want Downes, then that’s an easy deal Shirley?


Well, yes, but the if they need 'numbers' a 1:1 swap isn't quite gonna cut it and don't call me Shirley! ;)

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Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:05 - Jul 16 with 2001 viewshomer_123

Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:43 - Jul 16 by chrismakin

Unless they would like to take Jackson and Kenlock too....


Shall we drive them?

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Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:10 - Jul 16 with 1918 viewsFixed_It

Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:55 - Jul 16 by chrismakin

Pretty much yes. As it would be separate transactions and not a formal swap deal.


Might this be the thinking behind Teddy going to MK Dons but not as part of the Scott Fraser trnsaction?

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Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:17 - Jul 16 with 1815 viewschrismakin

Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:10 - Jul 16 by Fixed_It

Might this be the thinking behind Teddy going to MK Dons but not as part of the Scott Fraser trnsaction?


You would imagine so as it would help both clubs

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Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:23 - Jul 16 with 1752 viewsitfcjoe

Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:50 - Jul 16 by tractorboy1978

Because if we sell him for £1m, that gives us an extra £600k to spend on wages within the cap (60% of £1m). If we sell him for £500k + Coulson that gives us an extra £300k to spend on wages within the cap. So that extra £300k could be an extra player on £6k a week.
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Even in a swap deal players are assigned a value - it isn't Coulson plus £500k.....it's Coulson who is valued at £500k, plus £500k to sign Downes who is valued at £1m as far as accounting goes.

Probably the most famous example is the swap deal between Arthur and Pjanic where they had massively increased values to get Barca out of an FFP hole - as sales are put into one year, whereas purchases go across the whole contract as amortisation

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Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:30 - Jul 16 with 1612 viewsbournemouthblue

Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:23 - Jul 16 by itfcjoe

Even in a swap deal players are assigned a value - it isn't Coulson plus £500k.....it's Coulson who is valued at £500k, plus £500k to sign Downes who is valued at £1m as far as accounting goes.

Probably the most famous example is the swap deal between Arthur and Pjanic where they had massively increased values to get Barca out of an FFP hole - as sales are put into one year, whereas purchases go across the whole contract as amortisation


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Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:44 - Jul 16 with 1491 viewsLeBlue

Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:53 - Jul 16 by BseaBlue

Is there a loop hole here? Could we not sell Downes for 2 million and then buy Coulson for 2 million? Then it's a straight swap but the 2 million would count towards our Revenue wouldn't it?


This is surely a massive loophole.

Why not sell Downes for £100m and buy Coulson for £100m, giving us an extra £60m to play with within FFP (silly numbers I know but you get my point).
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Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:45 - Jul 16 with 1477 viewsKeno

Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:05 - Jul 16 by homer_123

Shall we drive them?


what about Bluefish, can we include him?

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Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:49 - Jul 16 with 1443 viewsfranz_tyson

Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:23 - Jul 16 by itfcjoe

Even in a swap deal players are assigned a value - it isn't Coulson plus £500k.....it's Coulson who is valued at £500k, plus £500k to sign Downes who is valued at £1m as far as accounting goes.

Probably the most famous example is the swap deal between Arthur and Pjanic where they had massively increased values to get Barca out of an FFP hole - as sales are put into one year, whereas purchases go across the whole contract as amortisation


So if the two clubs agree in essence to swap, you could hand this over to the accountants and treat this as two separate transfers. Sounds reasonable and can’t see how this is outside EFL rules. It’s pretty transparent swapping with Warnock coming out and saying he wants to swap, but sounds legit.
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Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:50 - Jul 16 with 1426 viewspointofblue

Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:49 - Jul 16 by franz_tyson

So if the two clubs agree in essence to swap, you could hand this over to the accountants and treat this as two separate transfers. Sounds reasonable and can’t see how this is outside EFL rules. It’s pretty transparent swapping with Warnock coming out and saying he wants to swap, but sounds legit.


Which is what I think might be happening between Fraser and Bishop with MK Dons.

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