| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:12 - Jul 16 with 3066 views | bluejacko |
Bidding war perhaps?😀 |  | |  |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:38 - Jul 16 with 2773 views | chrismakin |
If i've understood FFP correctly for league 1, swap deals won't be ideal as we'd lose the opportunity to put some % of the potential transfer fee towards our new wage availability. So it's better for us to get say £1 mill to have the 60% available, and then spend say £1 mill as it doesn't effect our wage pot as outgoing spend isn't included. |  |
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| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:38 - Jul 16 with 2762 views | homer_123 |
But if your squad is low on numbers, swapping isn't quite the answer? |  |
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| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:40 - Jul 16 with 2717 views | GavTWTD |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:38 - Jul 16 by homer_123 |
But if your squad is low on numbers, swapping isn't quite the answer? |
If we want him and he’s only available as a swap, and they want Downes, then that’s an easy deal Shirley? |  |
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| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:43 - Jul 16 with 2665 views | chrismakin |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:38 - Jul 16 by homer_123 |
But if your squad is low on numbers, swapping isn't quite the answer? |
Unless they would like to take Jackson and Kenlock too.... | |
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| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:43 - Jul 16 with 2671 views | tonybied |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:38 - Jul 16 by homer_123 |
But if your squad is low on numbers, swapping isn't quite the answer? |
Downes is not part of the squad so swapping him for someone who would be is increasing the squad numbers. |  | | |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:44 - Jul 16 with 2650 views | pointofblue |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:38 - Jul 16 by chrismakin |
If i've understood FFP correctly for league 1, swap deals won't be ideal as we'd lose the opportunity to put some % of the potential transfer fee towards our new wage availability. So it's better for us to get say £1 mill to have the 60% available, and then spend say £1 mill as it doesn't effect our wage pot as outgoing spend isn't included. |
I wondered why we didn’t just do an exchange plus cash between Fraser and Bishop; I guess that’s it. | |
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| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:44 - Jul 16 with 2632 views | franz_tyson |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:38 - Jul 16 by homer_123 |
But if your squad is low on numbers, swapping isn't quite the answer? |
Downes has no future here. If a swap deal speeds things up and gets us a player with extra cash then what does it matter? We automatically fill the LB position and have extra cash that could be used for additional transfers.
Makes sense to me. | | | |
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| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:50 - Jul 16 with 2536 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:44 - Jul 16 by franz_tyson |
Downes has no future here. If a swap deal speeds things up and gets us a player with extra cash then what does it matter? We automatically fill the LB position and have extra cash that could be used for additional transfers.
Makes sense to me. |
Because if we sell him for £1m, that gives us an extra £600k to spend on wages within the cap (60% of £1m). If we sell him for £500k + Coulson that gives us an extra £300k to spend on wages within the cap. So that extra £300k could be an extra player on £6k a week. [Post edited 16 Jul 2021 8:50]
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| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:53 - Jul 16 with 2484 views | BseaBlue |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:38 - Jul 16 by chrismakin |
If i've understood FFP correctly for league 1, swap deals won't be ideal as we'd lose the opportunity to put some % of the potential transfer fee towards our new wage availability. So it's better for us to get say £1 mill to have the 60% available, and then spend say £1 mill as it doesn't effect our wage pot as outgoing spend isn't included. |
Is there a loop hole here? Could we not sell Downes for 2 million and then buy Coulson for 2 million? Then it's a straight swap but the 2 million would count towards our Revenue wouldn't it? |  | | |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:54 - Jul 16 with 2464 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:43 - Jul 16 by tonybied |
Downes is not part of the squad so swapping him for someone who would be is increasing the squad numbers. |
Is he NOT part of the squad ?
Thought he was just "training" with the U23's - that makes him NOT part of the squad ? |  |
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| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:55 - Jul 16 with 2451 views | chrismakin |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:53 - Jul 16 by BseaBlue |
Is there a loop hole here? Could we not sell Downes for 2 million and then buy Coulson for 2 million? Then it's a straight swap but the 2 million would count towards our Revenue wouldn't it? |
Pretty much yes. As it would be separate transactions and not a formal swap deal. | |
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| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:57 - Jul 16 with 2401 views | tonybied |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:54 - Jul 16 by Metal_Hacker |
Is he NOT part of the squad ?
Thought he was just "training" with the U23's - that makes him NOT part of the squad ? |
He is not part of the first team squad and it seems that is not likely to change anytime. He is of no use to anyone sitting in the under 23 squad. | | | |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:59 - Jul 16 with 2388 views | GavTWTD |
I think you’re missing the point I was making. However the deal is made, or framed, they want Downes, we (may) want Coulson. Sorted. Next! | |
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| Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:01 - Jul 16 with 2341 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:57 - Jul 16 by tonybied |
He is not part of the first team squad and it seems that is not likely to change anytime. He is of no use to anyone sitting in the under 23 squad. |
I knew he wasn't involved with the "squad" obviously but didn't realise that made him not part of it until we announced it
Fair enough | |
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| Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:05 - Jul 16 with 2282 views | homer_123 |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:40 - Jul 16 by GavTWTD |
If we want him and he’s only available as a swap, and they want Downes, then that’s an easy deal Shirley? |
Well, yes, but the if they need 'numbers' a 1:1 swap isn't quite gonna cut it and don't call me Shirley! ;) | |
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| Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:05 - Jul 16 with 2269 views | homer_123 |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:43 - Jul 16 by chrismakin |
Unless they would like to take Jackson and Kenlock too.... |
Shall we drive them? | |
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| Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:10 - Jul 16 with 2186 views | Fixed_It |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:55 - Jul 16 by chrismakin |
Pretty much yes. As it would be separate transactions and not a formal swap deal. |
Might this be the thinking behind Teddy going to MK Dons but not as part of the Scott Fraser trnsaction? |  |
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| Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:17 - Jul 16 with 2083 views | chrismakin |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:10 - Jul 16 by Fixed_It |
Might this be the thinking behind Teddy going to MK Dons but not as part of the Scott Fraser trnsaction? |
You would imagine so as it would help both clubs | |
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| Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:23 - Jul 16 with 2020 views | itfcjoe |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:50 - Jul 16 by tractorboy1978 |
Because if we sell him for £1m, that gives us an extra £600k to spend on wages within the cap (60% of £1m). If we sell him for £500k + Coulson that gives us an extra £300k to spend on wages within the cap. So that extra £300k could be an extra player on £6k a week. [Post edited 16 Jul 2021 8:50]
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Even in a swap deal players are assigned a value - it isn't Coulson plus £500k.....it's Coulson who is valued at £500k, plus £500k to sign Downes who is valued at £1m as far as accounting goes.
Probably the most famous example is the swap deal between Arthur and Pjanic where they had massively increased values to get Barca out of an FFP hole - as sales are put into one year, whereas purchases go across the whole contract as amortisation |  |
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| Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:30 - Jul 16 with 1880 views | bournemouthblue |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:23 - Jul 16 by itfcjoe |
Even in a swap deal players are assigned a value - it isn't Coulson plus £500k.....it's Coulson who is valued at £500k, plus £500k to sign Downes who is valued at £1m as far as accounting goes.
Probably the most famous example is the swap deal between Arthur and Pjanic where they had massively increased values to get Barca out of an FFP hole - as sales are put into one year, whereas purchases go across the whole contract as amortisation |
What a bizarre scenario so it's never quite as clear cut as you would expect |  |
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| Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:44 - Jul 16 with 1759 views | LeBlue |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 08:53 - Jul 16 by BseaBlue |
Is there a loop hole here? Could we not sell Downes for 2 million and then buy Coulson for 2 million? Then it's a straight swap but the 2 million would count towards our Revenue wouldn't it? |
This is surely a massive loophole.
Why not sell Downes for £100m and buy Coulson for £100m, giving us an extra £60m to play with within FFP (silly numbers I know but you get my point). |  | | |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:45 - Jul 16 with 1745 views | Keno |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:05 - Jul 16 by homer_123 |
Shall we drive them? |
what about Bluefish, can we include him? |  |
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| Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:49 - Jul 16 with 1711 views | franz_tyson |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:23 - Jul 16 by itfcjoe |
Even in a swap deal players are assigned a value - it isn't Coulson plus £500k.....it's Coulson who is valued at £500k, plus £500k to sign Downes who is valued at £1m as far as accounting goes.
Probably the most famous example is the swap deal between Arthur and Pjanic where they had massively increased values to get Barca out of an FFP hole - as sales are put into one year, whereas purchases go across the whole contract as amortisation |
So if the two clubs agree in essence to swap, you could hand this over to the accountants and treat this as two separate transfers. Sounds reasonable and can’t see how this is outside EFL rules. It’s pretty transparent swapping with Warnock coming out and saying he wants to swap, but sounds legit. | | | |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:50 - Jul 16 with 1694 views | pointofblue |
| Coulson Downes swap then? on 09:49 - Jul 16 by franz_tyson |
So if the two clubs agree in essence to swap, you could hand this over to the accountants and treat this as two separate transfers. Sounds reasonable and can’t see how this is outside EFL rules. It’s pretty transparent swapping with Warnock coming out and saying he wants to swap, but sounds legit. |
Which is what I think might be happening between Fraser and Bishop with MK Dons. | |
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