| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? 10:27 - Jul 23 with 6714 views | nasblue |
Realistically it’s going to be very difficult for an almost all new team to hit the ground running straight away. I fear that people are already too giddy and people don’t have the patience to wait a few months if we don’t kick on.
I have confidence in the owners that they’ll give Paul at least 6/10 months but just fear the fans don’t have the same sensible approach. |  | | |  |
| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 11:07 - Jul 23 with 1038 views | J2BLUE |
| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 11:05 - Jul 23 by tractorboy1978 |
They want out of the division ASAP. They will see not going up this season as a failure given the investment made. |
Stating the obvious there mate! |  |
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| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 11:08 - Jul 23 with 1044 views | Nazemariner |
| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 10:44 - Jul 23 by jayessess |
No it wouldn't, ffs. 10th would be an absolute disaster.
For the first time in a long time this club actually has some positivity and momentum, we absolutely cannot afford to mess this up and get stuck in the same rut we've been in for 3 years.
There's been so much chat on here about the players "accepting mediocrity" and the club having "low standards". Meekly accepting one of our lowest league finishes in 60 years as part of the process would be the epitome of that. [Post edited 23 Jul 2021 10:55]
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I think we know by now that this league is not the cakewalk that many naively thought it would be. There are a good handful of teams that are every bit as good as us, and most of them have more settled teams, and a more established way of playing.
Not all of our signings will be a success, and the team will need augmenting with further additions as the season goes on.
We will need everything to go our way, and even an added slice of luck, if we are to challenge the top two this season. A play off victory is more than likely our best hope this season. |  | | |
| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 11:09 - Jul 23 with 1039 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 10:37 - Jul 23 by Nazemariner |
Of course there will be a backlash, as 50% of football fans are utter morons. We could do well this season, but realistically anything in the top 10 will be a good stepping stone to mount a real challenge next season. |
The backlash will be against the morons. |  |
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| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 11:10 - Jul 23 with 1032 views | Darth_Koont |
| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 10:59 - Jul 23 by tractorboy1978 |
Realistically, our first month is kind. Even if we aren't quite at full tilt as players are still bedding in and new signings still arriving, we have enough quality to blow these teams away.
Morecambe H
Burton A
Cheltenham A
MK Dons H
Wimbledon H |
Crikey!
I hadn’t even checked the fixtures but that looks a very soft and comfortable start indeed. I suppose the disadvantage against these small teams is they won’t probably be that different from last season and more gelled ... jeez I’m already thinking about why we’ll be disappointed 😀... the last couple of decades has been pretty gruesome conditioning. |  |
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| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 11:10 - Jul 23 with 1034 views | Nazemariner |
| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 10:56 - Jul 23 by homer_123 |
Err, have you not been following the comms from the new owners? They want out ASAP.
Given they are happy to support Cook in rebuilding, absolute bare minimum is play-offs I would suggest. |
This isn't the new owners first rodeo. They know full well that instant success is wishful thinking. | | | |
| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 11:13 - Jul 23 with 1006 views | Bluefish |
| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 10:45 - Jul 23 by BlueBadger |
Anything less than top 6 is failure.
Again. |
Fooking hell I assume you meant to put top 2 there? |  |
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| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 11:13 - Jul 23 with 1016 views | blue62 |
| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 10:32 - Jul 23 by Keno |
I am confident next season will have a happy ending |
we all like a happy ending. |  | | |
| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 11:14 - Jul 23 with 1005 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 11:07 - Jul 23 by J2BLUE |
Stating the obvious there mate! |
Apparently not to some posting on this thread. |  | | |
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| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 11:16 - Jul 23 with 998 views | Bluefish |
If Cookie continues where he left off through to October and people are happy clapping then we might as well pack the Americans off and settle for mid table division 3 forever. The budget we are throwing at this division is laughable and we should be top 2. It might take time to fully gel and I think the manager is more than capable of achieving here but he doesn't have a season or 2 to get it right, we have been accepting poor for too long | |
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| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 11:16 - Jul 23 with 1005 views | jayessess |
| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 11:08 - Jul 23 by Nazemariner |
I think we know by now that this league is not the cakewalk that many naively thought it would be. There are a good handful of teams that are every bit as good as us, and most of them have more settled teams, and a more established way of playing.
Not all of our signings will be a success, and the team will need augmenting with further additions as the season goes on.
We will need everything to go our way, and even an added slice of luck, if we are to challenge the top two this season. A play off victory is more than likely our best hope this season. |
Like I say, this is just the kind of comfort with mediocrity that people put forward as the reason to bin off last year's squad. Ipswich have huge resources relative to the majority of clubs in this division, if we fail it'll be out of incompetence, not the difficulty of the task. |  |
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| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 11:16 - Jul 23 with 1006 views | BlueNomad |
Sunderland, Wigan, Pompey, Sheff Weds all rebuilding too so their fans could have the same fears. What gives me most confidence is that PC seems to have a clear plan and knows who he needs to implement it from the start. I think we’ll be ok. |  | | |
| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 11:25 - Jul 23 with 974 views | jayessess |
| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 11:16 - Jul 23 by Bluefish |
If Cookie continues where he left off through to October and people are happy clapping then we might as well pack the Americans off and settle for mid table division 3 forever. The budget we are throwing at this division is laughable and we should be top 2. It might take time to fully gel and I think the manager is more than capable of achieving here but he doesn't have a season or 2 to get it right, we have been accepting poor for too long |
I also think people over-estimate "time to gel" as a problem sometimes. Lincoln threw over their entire playing staff before last season and were 3rd after 10 games. Blackpool did likewise and found it more difficult, but started putting wins together from their 8th game onwards (their bad opening run featured some tough games too). | |
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| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? (n/t) on 11:26 - Jul 23 with 965 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 11:25 - Jul 23 by jayessess |
I also think people over-estimate "time to gel" as a problem sometimes. Lincoln threw over their entire playing staff before last season and were 3rd after 10 games. Blackpool did likewise and found it more difficult, but started putting wins together from their 8th game onwards (their bad opening run featured some tough games too). |
And we've started the last two seasons like a house on fire but looked like a bunch of aimless strangers for the majority of both seasons! [Post edited 23 Jul 2021 11:27]
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| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 11:35 - Jul 23 with 948 views | OriginalMarkyP |
It depends what you think success looks like.
Abramovich has won 16 major trophies since buying Chelsea in 2003 and has always ditched managers that don't bring imediate success.
So it's hard to argue that his approach doesn't work.
Dario Gradi achieved success at Crewe by working for the club for 36 years. But in that time they never won a thing.
I think if you asked the American Owners which looks more like success to them you would have your answer. [Post edited 23 Jul 2021 11:38]
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| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 11:37 - Jul 23 with 945 views | RegencyBlue |
It took Evans 14 years to bring the club to its knees, I’m happy to give the new regime time to put the damage right! |  | | |
| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 11:39 - Jul 23 with 938 views | Churchman |
I’d be amazed if the start was any better than mediocre in the first couple of months. New players, new team, new everything. It’ll take time. It’s how the team progresses through the autumn that’s important.
With Hurst it was obvious from the off that the players and management were not good enough. We were relegated by August and the team never improved. For the dross league we are in we will have better, fitter players than last year.
It’s all about how the team develops. If by some chance we do start well, I am hoping we will get even stronger and trample this league, but it’s an outside shot for me. |  | | |
| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 11:44 - Jul 23 with 908 views | BlueBadger |
| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 11:13 - Jul 23 by Bluefish |
Fooking hell I assume you meant to put top 2 there? |
New team innit. It's going to need time to gel. |  |
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| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 11:47 - Jul 23 with 901 views | BlueBadger |
| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 11:08 - Jul 23 by Nazemariner |
I think we know by now that this league is not the cakewalk that many naively thought it would be. There are a good handful of teams that are every bit as good as us, and most of them have more settled teams, and a more established way of playing.
Not all of our signings will be a success, and the team will need augmenting with further additions as the season goes on.
We will need everything to go our way, and even an added slice of luck, if we are to challenge the top two this season. A play off victory is more than likely our best hope this season. |
This league is terrible. We've bought well, now we *just*(yeah, I know) need to ensure it's well organised, drilled and consistent. We got mired in it because we had a lazy and incompetent manager who was allowed to wallow in his laziness and incompetence by an overly indulgent owner and fanbase who had been sold the myth that free beer, 'improved football' and a 'better match day experience' was all it was going to need. | |
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| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 11:54 - Jul 23 with 880 views | BlueBadger |
| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 11:16 - Jul 23 by jayessess |
Like I say, this is just the kind of comfort with mediocrity that people put forward as the reason to bin off last year's squad. Ipswich have huge resources relative to the majority of clubs in this division, if we fail it'll be out of incompetence, not the difficulty of the task. |
Absolutely. No more free hits, five year deals and recitals of 'Two Little Birds' or 'Pauly Cook is a blue' until he's actually earnt the right to them. | |
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| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 12:07 - Jul 23 with 882 views | itfcjoe |
We were cr@p for the majority of last season and our points haul was worse under Cook than Lambert yet we still finished 9th. Talk of top 10 being an acceptable stepping stone is laughable - anything less than top 6 this season is a total failure.
How the season plays out to that point will be important, but if we are in the bottom half after 10 games or so then it's almost indefensible. the quality we have will win games on their own, whilst every other team gels.
I'm not expecting to lead the table from week 1, and there will be times when it is 2 steps forwards and 1 step back and the fanbase will need to hold nerve......but our target has to be the top 2. As it should have been the last 2 years, being in contention for 6th spot is not good enough |  |
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| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 12:11 - Jul 23 with 854 views | Chrisd |
Look at Blackpool last season, they made a huge number of signings last summer and had a whole new starting XI come August. They started slowly, but look where they are playing their football this season. | |
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| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 12:14 - Jul 23 with 845 views | jayessess |
| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 12:07 - Jul 23 by itfcjoe |
We were cr@p for the majority of last season and our points haul was worse under Cook than Lambert yet we still finished 9th. Talk of top 10 being an acceptable stepping stone is laughable - anything less than top 6 this season is a total failure.
How the season plays out to that point will be important, but if we are in the bottom half after 10 games or so then it's almost indefensible. the quality we have will win games on their own, whilst every other team gels.
I'm not expecting to lead the table from week 1, and there will be times when it is 2 steps forwards and 1 step back and the fanbase will need to hold nerve......but our target has to be the top 2. As it should have been the last 2 years, being in contention for 6th spot is not good enough |
I think people sometimes really under-estimate what an abject failure 11th and 9th in this league is for a club our size. Financially stable clubs with a 20,000+ fanbase just don't finish this far down the football league. | |
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| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 12:15 - Jul 23 with 841 views | timothyeo |
| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 10:54 - Jul 23 by jayessess |
I get the impression its the other way round, really.
There's a lot of (mostly unearned thus far) good will towards Cook and we'd have to be very very poor not to take a decent few points from our gentle opening fixtures. If we don't I think the owners will be less forgiving than the fans. |
Was going to say, our fans have had such a lack of ambition that Lambert was excused a relegation and even the first League One season by plenty on here. Cook was given a free ride for an awful end to the season too.
On that point, I don't fear a 'backlash' at all. Maybe some shrugging shoulders. | | | |
| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 12:26 - Jul 23 with 831 views | itfcjoe |
| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 12:14 - Jul 23 by jayessess |
I think people sometimes really under-estimate what an abject failure 11th and 9th in this league is for a club our size. Financially stable clubs with a 20,000+ fanbase just don't finish this far down the football league. |
Blackpool lost 6 of first 9 last year, if we do that it will be unacceptable. 99 out of 100 teams who do that won't come close to making the play offs.
It's similar to when people spoke about Crystal Palace making the play offs when they were bottom at Xmas, just a massive outlier and means nothing
Personally, I've got no real doubt Cook will get things going here quickly when you see how he's been backed and the quality he's subsequently targeted and got in through the door - in this league that sort of quality of players will see you through games, every team needs to gel. | |
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| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 12:30 - Jul 23 with 817 views | jayessess |
| Does anyone else fear a backlash if we start badly? on 12:11 - Jul 23 by Chrisd |
Look at Blackpool last season, they made a huge number of signings last summer and had a whole new starting XI come August. They started slowly, but look where they are playing their football this season. |
Worth digging into Blackpool's bad start too. Their results start picking up in match week 8, so they got their act together after just 6 weeks of the season.
They had a tricky start too, Plymouth, Gillingham and Crewe away, us, Lincoln and Charlton at home. They were also unlucky to lose/draw some of those, they were actually above us in the expected goals table after 8 games.
I don't imagine there's any way Cook's job is going to be seriously under threat after 7 games. | |
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