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This is grim 14:24 - Jul 30 with 1554 viewsgtsb1966

I wonder why Scotland is the highest in Europe though with a population of 5.5m.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58024296
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This is grim on 14:25 - Jul 30 with 1528 viewsJ2BLUE

It will be England's fault for inflicting the Tories on them.

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This is grim on 14:38 - Jul 30 with 1458 viewsDinDjarin

Record them as covid deaths. Should get the figures down.
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This is grim on 15:01 - Jul 30 with 1389 viewsGlasgowBlue

This is grim on 14:25 - Jul 30 by J2BLUE

It will be England's fault for inflicting the Tories on them.


They could try that line but it won't wash. The SNP have been in power for 14 years. In their first 12 years they cut funding for drug and alcohol services by 53% which has resulted in an 160% increase in drug related deaths.

Health is devolved in Scotland. They had the finances and the powers to continue investing in Drug services but chose not to. It was only after Andre Neil nailed St Nicola on the subject that that the Scottish government were shamed into action.


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This is grim on 15:08 - Jul 30 with 1354 viewsusm

This is grim on 14:25 - Jul 30 by J2BLUE

It will be England's fault for inflicting the Tories on them.


Its Maggie's fault - she started it by taking milk away from school kids.

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This is grim on 15:11 - Jul 30 with 1355 viewsgtsb1966

This is grim on 15:01 - Jul 30 by GlasgowBlue

They could try that line but it won't wash. The SNP have been in power for 14 years. In their first 12 years they cut funding for drug and alcohol services by 53% which has resulted in an 160% increase in drug related deaths.

Health is devolved in Scotland. They had the finances and the powers to continue investing in Drug services but chose not to. It was only after Andre Neil nailed St Nicola on the subject that that the Scottish government were shamed into action.



Just got some info from a recovered drug addict from Scotland. Apparently they pump loads of money into something they call the SMART system which basically just keeps everyone addicted to a substitute drug and forget about them. They don't engage with the likes of NA which strives to get people off drugs and substitute drugs altogether and has proven time and time again to work.
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This is grim on 15:12 - Jul 30 with 1342 viewsNthsuffolkblue

The data is the highest in Europe per capita so the population size is fairly irrelevant (aside from an especially low population having a skewed figure if there a few more or a few less in one particular year).

It does indicate that drugs (including alcohol) is a major problem in Scotland. Other cold, dark northern countries such as Sweden and Norway have an issue (despite alcohol being far less freely available in Norway). The UK is not great being ahead of most and very close to Sweden and Norway.
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This is grim on 15:24 - Jul 30 with 1298 viewsGlasgowBlue

This is grim on 15:12 - Jul 30 by Nthsuffolkblue

The data is the highest in Europe per capita so the population size is fairly irrelevant (aside from an especially low population having a skewed figure if there a few more or a few less in one particular year).

It does indicate that drugs (including alcohol) is a major problem in Scotland. Other cold, dark northern countries such as Sweden and Norway have an issue (despite alcohol being far less freely available in Norway). The UK is not great being ahead of most and very close to Sweden and Norway.
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Worth pointing out that Scotland drug related deaths are 234 per million.

The North East of England is 87, Northern Ireland 87 and North West 67. So the cold, dark northern argument doesn't fly.

The Scottish government were warned this would happen when they cut the support.

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This is grim on 15:31 - Jul 30 with 1270 viewsNthsuffolkblue

This is grim on 15:24 - Jul 30 by GlasgowBlue

Worth pointing out that Scotland drug related deaths are 234 per million.

The North East of England is 87, Northern Ireland 87 and North West 67. So the cold, dark northern argument doesn't fly.

The Scottish government were warned this would happen when they cut the support.


Never said it was the full explanation. The figures in the OP clearly show there is much more of a problem.

However, there is plenty of data that supports the cold, dark northern argument generally. Poverty is another proven factor as well.

I am quite sure the lack of investment you quote as well as centrally will play into the overall picture. There is still the issue that the figures you quote for the north of England are higher than those Scandinavian countries. This suggests that, while there is a marked problem in Scotland, it shouldn't hide the fact that the UK as a whole has a problem.

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This is grim on 17:11 - Jul 30 with 1142 viewssolemio

This is grim on 15:12 - Jul 30 by Nthsuffolkblue

The data is the highest in Europe per capita so the population size is fairly irrelevant (aside from an especially low population having a skewed figure if there a few more or a few less in one particular year).

It does indicate that drugs (including alcohol) is a major problem in Scotland. Other cold, dark northern countries such as Sweden and Norway have an issue (despite alcohol being far less freely available in Norway). The UK is not great being ahead of most and very close to Sweden and Norway.
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The amazing and very expensive road system at Tromso in Norway - including many tunnel and bridge areas - was paid for entirely from the local tax on alcoholic drinks.
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This is grim on 17:25 - Jul 30 with 1096 viewsDarth_Koont

This is grim on 14:25 - Jul 30 by J2BLUE

It will be England's fault for inflicting the Tories on them.


Well, considering it’s the addicts from the 80s and 90s who are dying then ... they certainly had a hand in it.

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This is grim on 18:03 - Jul 30 with 991 viewsnoggin

Scotland seems to have had a big benzo problem for years. I remember when they were melting down and injecting temazepam 'jellies'. They called the jellies because they looked like blue jellybeans. Unfortunately, after injecting, the stuff solidified again in the veins, often resulting in death.
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This is grim on 20:18 - Jul 30 with 850 viewsNthsuffolkblue

This is grim on 17:11 - Jul 30 by solemio

The amazing and very expensive road system at Tromso in Norway - including many tunnel and bridge areas - was paid for entirely from the local tax on alcoholic drinks.


Because they charge an extortionate amount of tax.

I would imagine that the legal drinking age being 21 and the very high price of them would lead to a much lower consumption (and presumably much lower levels of alcoholism) than here. I haven't checked the data on it, mind.

EDIT: This is the first piece of data I found and would seem to bear out the consumption side of my assumption. https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/82129230-en/1/3/2/2/4/index.html?itemId=/con
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This is grim on 20:23 - Jul 30 with 831 viewsallezlesbleus

This is grim on 18:03 - Jul 30 by noggin

Scotland seems to have had a big benzo problem for years. I remember when they were melting down and injecting temazepam 'jellies'. They called the jellies because they looked like blue jellybeans. Unfortunately, after injecting, the stuff solidified again in the veins, often resulting in death.
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That sounds very grim.
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This is grim on 20:55 - Jul 30 with 776 viewsWeWereZombies

The key to the answer is in the link you posted:

'people in the most deprived parts of the country were 18 times more likely to have a drug-related death as those in the least deprived.

The gap has widened significantly since the start of the century, when deaths were 10 times higher in the most deprived areas.'

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This is grim on 22:36 - Jul 30 with 677 viewsNthsuffolkblue

This is grim on 20:55 - Jul 30 by WeWereZombies

The key to the answer is in the link you posted:

'people in the most deprived parts of the country were 18 times more likely to have a drug-related death as those in the least deprived.

The gap has widened significantly since the start of the century, when deaths were 10 times higher in the most deprived areas.'


I wonder how the levels of poverty in Scotland (and northern England) compare with those in England (and southern England) too.

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This is grim on 07:23 - Jul 31 with 461 viewsArnieM

Scotland ended ( or substantially reduced) the prescription of Benzodiazepines . This caused a supply and demand defect which saw the flood of cheap , fake Benzodiazepines on the street ( much of which was dangerous/ poor quality), which was also highly addictive: hence the “ perfect storm “ of supply : demand curve, and sadly many , many deaths .

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