| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) 19:37 - Jul 31 with 3942 views | ArnieM |
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| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 19:38 - Jul 31 with 3202 views | chrismakin |
Erm, they've won them all haven't they? |  |
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| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 19:46 - Jul 31 with 3144 views | ArnieM |
| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 19:38 - Jul 31 by chrismakin |
Erm, they've won them all haven't they? |
Dooooh , so sorry, if searched Wigan per season friendly and somehow went into Latics ore season games …,
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| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 19:52 - Jul 31 with 3084 views | MrTown |
I’ve seen us coast through pre seasons and be bang average in the real season.
Means v little, winning is great. Competitive matches against tough opposition is the important thing. |  |
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| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 19:52 - Jul 31 with 3096 views | CokeIsKey |
They’ve won every game, including impressive wins against Stoke and Preston. Interesting that Richardson can get his team playing straight away, and doesn’t demand months to allow his team to gel. |  |
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| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 19:53 - Jul 31 with 3080 views | chrismakin |
| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 19:52 - Jul 31 by CokeIsKey |
They’ve won every game, including impressive wins against Stoke and Preston. Interesting that Richardson can get his team playing straight away, and doesn’t demand months to allow his team to gel. |
Not really that interesting, most of the players have already played with each other.
Will be one to watch though to see how they get on, on paper they should be tidy. See edwards was missing today [Post edited 31 Jul 2021 19:59]
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| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 20:06 - Jul 31 with 2990 views | CokeIsKey |
| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 19:53 - Jul 31 by chrismakin |
Not really that interesting, most of the players have already played with each other.
Will be one to watch though to see how they get on, on paper they should be tidy. See edwards was missing today [Post edited 31 Jul 2021 19:59]
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Just looking at the Wigan team that started for the Preston win, 7 out of their 11 players were new signings including a trialist, which is the same number of new players that we started today.
I’m not saying Richardson is a better manager than Cook, but he is certainly able to coach and assemble a competitive team faster than him - Interesting to see how much we will differ when the league begins. | |
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| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 20:08 - Jul 31 with 2976 views | Churchman |
| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 19:52 - Jul 31 by CokeIsKey |
They’ve won every game, including impressive wins against Stoke and Preston. Interesting that Richardson can get his team playing straight away, and doesn’t demand months to allow his team to gel. |
So what you are really saying is that any decent manager can get a load of new players, stick them on a field and win every game, as proven by Wigan. So the logical conclusion is all Cook’s previous success are down to Richardson - as proven by these pre-season results. Its a view shared by the many outers, I’m sure. |  | | |
| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 20:10 - Jul 31 with 2951 views | chrismakin |
| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 20:06 - Jul 31 by CokeIsKey |
Just looking at the Wigan team that started for the Preston win, 7 out of their 11 players were new signings including a trialist, which is the same number of new players that we started today.
I’m not saying Richardson is a better manager than Cook, but he is certainly able to coach and assemble a competitive team faster than him - Interesting to see how much we will differ when the league begins. |
They're new signings but across the team you've had players who have already played with another player - 1 not just at the same club, but also the same club with Leam involved. Not everyone clearly, but in different areas. And that does indeed make a massive difference.
I will however throw in, that I don't think PC has got his style across yet, and not because he hasn't had time yet, but I don't think he knows what it is yet and that does slightly concern me so im am able to be neutral and not all pro PC lol. | |
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| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 20:13 - Jul 31 with 2917 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 20:10 - Jul 31 by chrismakin |
They're new signings but across the team you've had players who have already played with another player - 1 not just at the same club, but also the same club with Leam involved. Not everyone clearly, but in different areas. And that does indeed make a massive difference.
I will however throw in, that I don't think PC has got his style across yet, and not because he hasn't had time yet, but I don't think he knows what it is yet and that does slightly concern me so im am able to be neutral and not all pro PC lol. |
Style of formation?
When he joined the podcasters from his previous clubs said one thing that's for sure is he is 4-2-3-1 all the way. |  |
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| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 20:16 - Jul 31 with 2889 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 20:06 - Jul 31 by CokeIsKey |
Just looking at the Wigan team that started for the Preston win, 7 out of their 11 players were new signings including a trialist, which is the same number of new players that we started today.
I’m not saying Richardson is a better manager than Cook, but he is certainly able to coach and assemble a competitive team faster than him - Interesting to see how much we will differ when the league begins. |
I guess one advantage Richardson has is that hes been at Wigan for 4 years, so knows the club inside out. This also means he knows his players and exactly what needed to change. | |
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| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 20:17 - Jul 31 with 2873 views | chrismakin |
| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 20:13 - Jul 31 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Style of formation?
When he joined the podcasters from his previous clubs said one thing that's for sure is he is 4-2-3-1 all the way. |
Yeah he's always been a 4 2 3 1 man and it was a style of getting forward, wide, whipping balls in. Didnt see today so can't comment so it may have been that but from the games i've seen so far, i've not seen to many occasions where we've whipped it in from all positions... but also this 2 striker but not a flat 2 is a bit strange and un PC like.
We'll see, I don't really know Pigott other than being a striker, so maybe he's ok at dropping slightly deeper and I guess playing the Kane role? [Post edited 31 Jul 2021 20:20]
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| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 20:19 - Jul 31 with 2869 views | EastTownBlue |
I don't think that we managed to win a pre-season friendly in 1991. Since then I have given little attention to results. |  | | |
| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 20:20 - Jul 31 with 2846 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 20:17 - Jul 31 by chrismakin |
Yeah he's always been a 4 2 3 1 man and it was a style of getting forward, wide, whipping balls in. Didnt see today so can't comment so it may have been that but from the games i've seen so far, i've not seen to many occasions where we've whipped it in from all positions... but also this 2 striker but not a flat 2 is a bit strange and un PC like.
We'll see, I don't really know Pigott other than being a striker, so maybe he's ok at dropping slightly deeper and I guess playing the Kane role? [Post edited 31 Jul 2021 20:20]
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You do wonder how effective his rookie coaches are in this type of situation. | |
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| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 20:24 - Jul 31 with 2815 views | chrismakin |
| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 20:20 - Jul 31 by Marshalls_Mullet |
You do wonder how effective his rookie coaches are in this type of situation. |
The noise from the club is that they are well received, but that may change if things don't go well of course. All coaches have to start somewhere and i guess PC has had a lot of success with picking his coaches in the past, I just think if PC is to succeed then we have to see from the squad the football he got played at his last clubs.... so far we've not seen it yet [Post edited 31 Jul 2021 20:26]
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| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 20:28 - Jul 31 with 2783 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 20:24 - Jul 31 by chrismakin |
The noise from the club is that they are well received, but that may change if things don't go well of course. All coaches have to start somewhere and i guess PC has had a lot of success with picking his coaches in the past, I just think if PC is to succeed then we have to see from the squad the football he got played at his last clubs.... so far we've not seen it yet [Post edited 31 Jul 2021 20:26]
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I'm sure they are nice guys.
All coaches has to start somewhere, but usually helps if there is an experienced / well respected coach in the mix. | |
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| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 20:30 - Jul 31 with 2771 views | CokeIsKey |
| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 20:17 - Jul 31 by chrismakin |
Yeah he's always been a 4 2 3 1 man and it was a style of getting forward, wide, whipping balls in. Didnt see today so can't comment so it may have been that but from the games i've seen so far, i've not seen to many occasions where we've whipped it in from all positions... but also this 2 striker but not a flat 2 is a bit strange and un PC like.
We'll see, I don't really know Pigott other than being a striker, so maybe he's ok at dropping slightly deeper and I guess playing the Kane role? [Post edited 31 Jul 2021 20:20]
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Watching today's game we started with a 4-4-2 with Piggot and Bonne up front, then changed to a 4-2-3-1 with KVY and Chapin on the wings after the third goal, then eventually subbed Norwood and Jackson on, only to play Jackson on the right wing.
I do find it a bit odd that Cook is persisting with this 4-4-2 formation, when he managed to get Wigan promoted with a record number of goals just playing one up front.
Would rather he just kept things simple by using the formation he specialises in, as this preseason has felt like a bit of a confusion between those two identities. | |
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| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 20:35 - Jul 31 with 2730 views | chrismakin |
| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 20:30 - Jul 31 by CokeIsKey |
Watching today's game we started with a 4-4-2 with Piggot and Bonne up front, then changed to a 4-2-3-1 with KVY and Chapin on the wings after the third goal, then eventually subbed Norwood and Jackson on, only to play Jackson on the right wing.
I do find it a bit odd that Cook is persisting with this 4-4-2 formation, when he managed to get Wigan promoted with a record number of goals just playing one up front.
Would rather he just kept things simple by using the formation he specialises in, as this preseason has felt like a bit of a confusion between those two identities. |
I'm hoping he's just trying to be a bit 'modern' and trying work with a formation that can fluidly change with the flow of the game.. No problem having 2 strikers on the the pitch and having a fluid change, but only if the players can do it, and that's the key if we're not going with a normal '10' then can Piggot, or Nors etc do the job. No issue with him doing that if it eventually works, but there is that worry in the back of my mind that like some, last season isn't entirely out of his mind and he is feeling the pressure.
I would as you say rather he stick to a flat 4 2 3 1, normal no.10 get that ball wide, get the fullbacks overlapping and whipping the balls in from all angles causing havoc. | |
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| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 20:40 - Jul 31 with 2697 views | Asa |
| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 19:52 - Jul 31 by MrTown |
I’ve seen us coast through pre seasons and be bang average in the real season.
Means v little, winning is great. Competitive matches against tough opposition is the important thing. |
This seems to be an annual reminder.
I give you 1991/92. We went up as Champions!
Lost to two Finnish part timers, drew with lowly Lincoln and Peterborough and got humped at Scunthorpe!
We went on to have one of the most memorable seasons ever.
Yet people are losing their sh*t over losing to a well settled, decent side from the level above who were clinical when we have a team of players who’ve never played together.
Imagine this place back then after failing to win in 5 matches of 6 against teams vastly inferior. It would have been meltdown-tastic.
Pre-season means nothing. Our strongest side or thereabouts has played well in parts to compete with or contain a settled premier league side and a settled upper mid-table championship side when everyone bar a couple are new to the club, everyone is fitting into a new system, there are no partnerships, not sure what people expect.
We face Morecambe, Burton and Cheltenham in a very long season. More than enough reasons to believe we can start well.
Date Opponent Venue Result Attendance Scorers
24 July 1991 Rips Rihhimaki A 0—1 Unknown
25 July 1991 Kemin Palloseura A 1—2 Unknown Unknown
27 July 1991 Kontulan Uheilsat A 3—0 Unknown Unknown (3)
31 July 1991 Lincoln City A 1—1 Unknown Unknown
2 August 1991 Peterborough United A 3—3 Unknown Unknown (3)
6 August 1991 Scunthorpe United A 0—3 1,700 [Post edited 31 Jul 2021 20:50]
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| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 20:56 - Jul 31 with 2628 views | Asa |
| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 20:30 - Jul 31 by CokeIsKey |
Watching today's game we started with a 4-4-2 with Piggot and Bonne up front, then changed to a 4-2-3-1 with KVY and Chapin on the wings after the third goal, then eventually subbed Norwood and Jackson on, only to play Jackson on the right wing.
I do find it a bit odd that Cook is persisting with this 4-4-2 formation, when he managed to get Wigan promoted with a record number of goals just playing one up front.
Would rather he just kept things simple by using the formation he specialises in, as this preseason has felt like a bit of a confusion between those two identities. |
Cook knows 4231 inside out. You can guarantee the players work on it frequently in training.
What Cook mentioned the other night is teams coming here this season and defending and us needing more than one striker.
I like that he’s been willing to try things in these matches, instead of waiting until we need it in the league and it not quite clicking.
Pre-season is about fitness, getting to grips with the system and tactics, forging partnerships and then results. We’ve lost to a team a division above that have a settled side. There’s really nothing to see here. | | | |
| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 21:19 - Jul 31 with 2506 views | BasingstokeBlue |
In comparison, how many have we won? |  |
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| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 08:31 - Aug 1 with 2084 views | hoppy |
| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 20:40 - Jul 31 by Asa |
This seems to be an annual reminder.
I give you 1991/92. We went up as Champions!
Lost to two Finnish part timers, drew with lowly Lincoln and Peterborough and got humped at Scunthorpe!
We went on to have one of the most memorable seasons ever.
Yet people are losing their sh*t over losing to a well settled, decent side from the level above who were clinical when we have a team of players who’ve never played together.
Imagine this place back then after failing to win in 5 matches of 6 against teams vastly inferior. It would have been meltdown-tastic.
Pre-season means nothing. Our strongest side or thereabouts has played well in parts to compete with or contain a settled premier league side and a settled upper mid-table championship side when everyone bar a couple are new to the club, everyone is fitting into a new system, there are no partnerships, not sure what people expect.
We face Morecambe, Burton and Cheltenham in a very long season. More than enough reasons to believe we can start well.
Date Opponent Venue Result Attendance Scorers
24 July 1991 Rips Rihhimaki A 0—1 Unknown
25 July 1991 Kemin Palloseura A 1—2 Unknown Unknown
27 July 1991 Kontulan Uheilsat A 3—0 Unknown Unknown (3)
31 July 1991 Lincoln City A 1—1 Unknown Unknown
2 August 1991 Peterborough United A 3—3 Unknown Unknown (3)
6 August 1991 Scunthorpe United A 0—3 1,700 [Post edited 31 Jul 2021 20:50]
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Well at least this season we haven’t come up against anyone called Unknown… they seem clinical. |  |
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| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 09:54 - Aug 1 with 1920 views | Asa |
| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 08:31 - Aug 1 by hoppy |
Well at least this season we haven’t come up against anyone called Unknown… they seem clinical. |
Fortunately we got away with not signing him in 1991/92.
Just hoping we don’t regret missing out on signing ‘own goal’ over this summer, seeing how prolific he was for us last term compared to our other options. | | | |
| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 10:09 - Aug 1 with 1873 views | timothyeo |
| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 20:06 - Jul 31 by CokeIsKey |
Just looking at the Wigan team that started for the Preston win, 7 out of their 11 players were new signings including a trialist, which is the same number of new players that we started today.
I’m not saying Richardson is a better manager than Cook, but he is certainly able to coach and assemble a competitive team faster than him - Interesting to see how much we will differ when the league begins. |
Genuine question, have Wigan banged on to their fans about needing time to gel or having lots of patience? | | | |
| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 10:25 - Aug 1 with 1821 views | chrismakin |
| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 10:09 - Aug 1 by timothyeo |
Genuine question, have Wigan banged on to their fans about needing time to gel or having lots of patience? |
Wigan havent replaced their whole squad. And as mentioned above. Lots of players there have played with each other and also the manager before so it's a different situation to ours. | |
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| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 10:28 - Aug 1 with 1816 views | timothyeo |
| Wigan have won just ONE ore season friendly ….. (n/t) on 10:25 - Aug 1 by chrismakin |
Wigan havent replaced their whole squad. And as mentioned above. Lots of players there have played with each other and also the manager before so it's a different situation to ours. |
Doesn't answer my question, and for what its worth the situations are pretty comparable when you look at the number of new players they're integrating, the slight difference is negated when you consider our spending power to give us a better chance of getting the right player in the first place. | | | |
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