| Biden 12:13 - Aug 17 with 2851 views | GlasgowBlue |
Americans should not die in a war that the afghan army aren’t willing to fight for themselves.
50,000 Afghan troops have died fighting the Taliban in the last 7 years. In that same period the Americans have lost 270 military personnel. Each one obviously a tragedy.
There have been no American deaths in Afghanistan since February 2020. A small presence with air support would have ensured continued safety for the Afghan people.
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| Biden on 15:39 - Aug 17 with 660 views | BlueBadger |
| Biden on 15:17 - Aug 17 by ElephantintheRoom |
Twisting the great man's words a tad perhaps? IF the Afghans were remotely interested in the deluded vision of what the USA or indeed the UK thinks the country could be, don't you think the entire country would have held out against a few thousand men with beards on pick-up trucks for more than two days?
Every indication is that nobody wanted imperialist interference in the country - not Afghanistan, nor any neighbouring countries - nor indeed the people of the invading nations..
I think you'll find the vast majority of Americans, Brits and Afghanis are as one on this little conundrum - it was madness to invade - and insanity to hang around for twenty years trying to do the impossible. |
Why have they got beards on their pickups? |  |
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| Biden on 15:56 - Aug 17 with 645 views | vilanovablue |
It does beg the question what to do about Afghanistan they have been able to ultimately repel any superior power. All the ongoing support did was hold the situation at bay not solve it. Afghanistan where empires go to die as someone once said. |  | | |
| Biden on 15:58 - Aug 17 with 638 views | Steve_M |
| Biden on 14:32 - Aug 17 by solomon |
If history has taught us anything it’s that these type of insurgents on home soil and with robust belief in their cause are almost impossible to defeat. For all our sacrifices and then effort to build and bolster an Afghan army, it seems to have capitulated with alarming speed, it appears there is no stomach for resistance, the Afghans have seen enough bloodshed but I doubt it’s over for them like this. |
I think the role of the Pakistani Intelligence agencies in funding and supporting the Taliban should not be underestimated, nor the failure of the US government to apply any sanctions in response. Needless to say Pakistan as a whole will not prosper from this but, most likely, suffer more Islamist murders. |  |
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| Biden on 16:05 - Aug 17 with 620 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Biden on 12:23 - Aug 17 by HARRY10 |
at last something the righties can boo Biden for
not saving the lives of Afghanis, who the righties have spent much of their time calling them illegal immigrants when they tried to reach the safety of the UK
the stench of rightie hypocrisy is never far away |
I think I am one of the most left-leaning posters on here. However this really is a strange take.
Ultimately America has always taken an America first policy to foreign affairs. The only reason they went in was because of the link to 911 and so it was directly associated with self-preservation.
The withdrawal has been managed shockingly. That is down to Trump, to Biden, to Johnson and to anyone else involved. Now they have to do their best to manage the situation they find themselves in. The worse they manage it, the worse it will be for the Afghan people (aside from those Islamic fundamentalists closest to the Taliban) and the western world.
The UN has some responsibility to bear too. If they were fit for purpose they would have been there instead of the US/UK and then they would be responsible for managing the withdrawal instead. |  |
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| Biden on 16:09 - Aug 17 with 616 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Biden on 15:56 - Aug 17 by vilanovablue |
It does beg the question what to do about Afghanistan they have been able to ultimately repel any superior power. All the ongoing support did was hold the situation at bay not solve it. Afghanistan where empires go to die as someone once said. |
Whilst the terrain of Afghanistan and the backing that different factions has cannot be ignored, this is also the whole "war on terror". It is a war that cannot be fought with weapons. It is a war on indoctrination and belief. It is war that can only really be won by creating a much fairer and more equal world. This is something that the vast majority of people in the west is fundamentally invested in not wanting. We enjoy the comfort that our affluence (in the scale of the world as a whole) brings far too much. | |
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| Biden on 16:20 - Aug 17 with 592 views | vilanovablue |
| Biden on 16:09 - Aug 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Whilst the terrain of Afghanistan and the backing that different factions has cannot be ignored, this is also the whole "war on terror". It is a war that cannot be fought with weapons. It is a war on indoctrination and belief. It is war that can only really be won by creating a much fairer and more equal world. This is something that the vast majority of people in the west is fundamentally invested in not wanting. We enjoy the comfort that our affluence (in the scale of the world as a whole) brings far too much. |
The war on terror much like any other "war on" is always going to fail. In fairness I'm in agreement with pretty much everything else you say. | | | |
| Biden on 16:29 - Aug 17 with 571 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Biden on 12:32 - Aug 17 by GlasgowBlue |
Not sure what your point is H?
Righties, lefties and centrist dads should be booing Biden, Johnson and all the other NATO leaders. We’ve let these poor people down very badly. Absolutely shameful. |
He has no point, he is just using this as an opportunity for political point scoring.
He doesn't care about the plight of the desperate Afghani's anymore than Biden, he is just obsessed with owning the 'righties'. |  | | |
| Biden on 16:51 - Aug 17 with 543 views | WeWereZombies |
| Biden on 15:17 - Aug 17 by ElephantintheRoom |
Twisting the great man's words a tad perhaps? IF the Afghans were remotely interested in the deluded vision of what the USA or indeed the UK thinks the country could be, don't you think the entire country would have held out against a few thousand men with beards on pick-up trucks for more than two days?
Every indication is that nobody wanted imperialist interference in the country - not Afghanistan, nor any neighbouring countries - nor indeed the people of the invading nations..
I think you'll find the vast majority of Americans, Brits and Afghanis are as one on this little conundrum - it was madness to invade - and insanity to hang around for twenty years trying to do the impossible. |
'against a few thousand men with beards on pick-up trucks '
Pick up trucks with automatic machine guns, rocket propelled grenade launchers and anti-artillery weapons fitted...and fighters trained in their use:
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210814-weapon-seizures-massive-boon-for- |  |
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| Biden on 17:56 - Aug 17 with 469 views | HARRY10 |
| Biden on 16:05 - Aug 17 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I think I am one of the most left-leaning posters on here. However this really is a strange take.
Ultimately America has always taken an America first policy to foreign affairs. The only reason they went in was because of the link to 911 and so it was directly associated with self-preservation.
The withdrawal has been managed shockingly. That is down to Trump, to Biden, to Johnson and to anyone else involved. Now they have to do their best to manage the situation they find themselves in. The worse they manage it, the worse it will be for the Afghan people (aside from those Islamic fundamentalists closest to the Taliban) and the western world.
The UN has some responsibility to bear too. If they were fit for purpose they would have been there instead of the US/UK and then they would be responsible for managing the withdrawal instead. |
err, every country puts its own interests first - nothing new there
The US went in as did others so as to have a military presence in that area. If it was about dealing with terrorism, then they would have invaded Saudi Arabia and strung up the Wahabis.
The UN does not have a mandate to protect any country's commercial interest - nor was there any peace that required them to be maintained. Much as their lack of involvement with what has been happening in the old Burma.
As to my point I would have thought be self explanatory ie the righties who are now bleating about the plight of the Afghan people are the same righties who were a week back, vilifying Afghanis who were trying to seek asylum in the 'west'. | | | |
| Biden on 18:02 - Aug 17 with 464 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Biden on 12:28 - Aug 17 by itfcjoe |
Patel and Raab not covered themselves in glory either - they seem to be dragging their feet but if they don't act now then more and more people will die.
There are a few who have been on the ground or understand that situation, at least Ben Wallace has a proper voice, as Tugendhat and Mercer in background but speaking lots of sense.
The way you hear Biden talk about this is shocking, it's almost what you'd expect someone like Farage to sound like. |
Ben Wallace has taken this pretty hard. Did you see the video of him breaking down during an interview yesterday.
According to the Guardian the UK canvassed France and Germany over a coalition without US troops but they weren't interested.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/13/rift-with-us-grows-as-uk-minister- | |
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| Biden on 18:29 - Aug 17 with 441 views | HARRY10 |
Why did no one tell Mr Wallace that his role in the army was one of protecting commercial interests.
Did e not twig, in all those years, that it might have been a bit more than coincidence that Western armed forces were located where commercial interests lie.
And when it came to commercial, or humanitarian interests, then the former would always come first.
Perhaps if had have twigged, he might not have been such a 'useful idiot' for so long. | | | |
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