| Janoi Donacien 08:11 - Aug 18 with 2374 views | Keaneish |
Worst fears confirmed last night (as if they were in any doubt). I’d argue that’s going to be one of Donacien’s easier games this season and he looked pedestrian and very uncomfortable last night. Time and time again he looked for the comfy pass, which slowed the play or spurned possession. I thought his positioning going forward was about 10 - 15 yards behind the play every time and he needlessly shanked it out when not under pressure or gave away plenty of avoidable throw-ins to play to their strength.
Afraid to say but it’s very evident, his season is going to be extremely limited now and I wouldn’t be surprised to see an RB come in on loan. |  |
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| Janoi Donacien on 08:12 - Aug 18 with 1984 views | portmanking |
You have to say that Donacien is probably a better centre half than a RB in a forward-thinking side. In a team that's focused more on limiting the opposition, JD is fine as a one-to-one defender, but we need more than that. |  | | |
| Janoi Donacien on 08:14 - Aug 18 with 1949 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Please no more loans!!
We have KVY and Burns who can play that role. |  |
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| Janoi Donacien on 08:17 - Aug 18 with 1887 views | Herbivore |
Thought he largely did okay to be honest. Certainly wasn't our main problem, far from it. |  |
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| Janoi Donacien on 08:22 - Aug 18 with 1828 views | chrismakin |
| Janoi Donacien on 08:17 - Aug 18 by Herbivore |
Thought he largely did okay to be honest. Certainly wasn't our main problem, far from it. |
I keep seeing that he gave away needless throws. IMO that's not entirely fair, if you've got a player breathing down your neck, you need to get rid, sometimes you have the luxury of being able to pass it either back to keeper or across, but if that path is blocked, then the only way is out. If he spent to much time worrying about trying to keep the ball, he'd probably have ended up losing it and they would have had a free run to the box. |  |
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| Janoi Donacien on 08:23 - Aug 18 with 1831 views | itfcjoe |
Been saying for weeks that he is just not a back up in this system - it's totally unsuited to what is required of him - interesting to know what would have happened had Burns been fit? |  |
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| Janoi Donacien on 08:26 - Aug 18 with 1786 views | Wallingford_Boy |
He had a bit of a shocker.
KVY’s loss of form is worrying, but not entirely surprising given how long he’s been out.
Donacien is a much better CB and he’s average at best there! |  |
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| Janoi Donacien on 08:26 - Aug 18 with 1763 views | ZXBlue |
Odd comments. He was absolutely fine. | | | |
| Janoi Donacien on 08:29 - Aug 18 with 1743 views | Keaneish |
| Janoi Donacien on 08:23 - Aug 18 by itfcjoe |
Been saying for weeks that he is just not a back up in this system - it's totally unsuited to what is required of him - interesting to know what would have happened had Burns been fit? |
Agreed and I’ve seen you say as much. Donacien can’t play in tight spaces, he’s just not equipped to do it. If we’re going to deploy full backs wide to hug the touch line, they need to be comfortable in those situations - he isn’t. Another gripe from last night is that the passes he played were the type of low risk / bare minimum passes you know you can get away with. We need more if PC’s style is going to come to fruition.
A back-up centre back for me this season. | |
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| Janoi Donacien on 08:32 - Aug 18 with 1691 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Janoi Donacien on 08:26 - Aug 18 by ZXBlue |
Odd comments. He was absolutely fine. |
No... no he wasn’t. | |
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| Janoi Donacien on 08:45 - Aug 18 with 1563 views | Herbivore |
He was fine. He wasn't any better than fine but he was fine. He certainly wasn't the reason we lost that game. | |
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| Janoi Donacien on 08:46 - Aug 18 with 1556 views | mrshallisfit |
| Janoi Donacien on 08:12 - Aug 18 by portmanking |
You have to say that Donacien is probably a better centre half than a RB in a forward-thinking side. In a team that's focused more on limiting the opposition, JD is fine as a one-to-one defender, but we need more than that. |
We paid 750K for that. And 1.6M for Jackson. Hope Burgess is better value for money. | | | |
| Janoi Donacien on 08:53 - Aug 18 with 1478 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Janoi Donacien on 08:29 - Aug 18 by Keaneish |
Agreed and I’ve seen you say as much. Donacien can’t play in tight spaces, he’s just not equipped to do it. If we’re going to deploy full backs wide to hug the touch line, they need to be comfortable in those situations - he isn’t. Another gripe from last night is that the passes he played were the type of low risk / bare minimum passes you know you can get away with. We need more if PC’s style is going to come to fruition.
A back-up centre back for me this season. |
Seem to be over thinking the RB situation.
We have a good first choice in KVY, and good back up in Burns.
JD is effectively 3rd choice.
You can only have so many back ups. | |
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| Janoi Donacien on 08:55 - Aug 18 with 1457 views | Darth_Koont |
Like a few others, I thought he was absolutely fine. |  |
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| Janoi Donacien on 08:59 - Aug 18 with 1398 views | ArnieM |
The whole of the back four looked for the “comfy pass” - all bloody night ! Passing it about side to side like we had all the time in the world . WHY???
There’s was minimal urgency after we’d scored what some players thought was the winner. I’d even suggest there was a hint of arrogance in our play as we “ stroked it around “ for loooong periods of play , rarely looking to get the ball into Cheltenham’s half of oerishbthdd Ed thought get the ball into their box ….. again, Why? |  |
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| Janoi Donacien on 08:59 - Aug 18 with 1405 views | chicoazul |
Starting to become very suspicious of this negative chatter about Janoi. He doesn’t seem to be anything like the main reason we are doing badly, informed sensible posters are saying he is playing ok not a world beater but ok, and yet he seems to be singled out game on game. |  |
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| Janoi Donacien on 09:05 - Aug 18 with 1310 views | ZXBlue |
| Janoi Donacien on 08:59 - Aug 18 by chicoazul |
Starting to become very suspicious of this negative chatter about Janoi. He doesn’t seem to be anything like the main reason we are doing badly, informed sensible posters are saying he is playing ok not a world beater but ok, and yet he seems to be singled out game on game. |
Indeed. Its bizarre to single out a perfectly comeptent performance from him last night. | | | |
| Janoi Donacien on 09:09 - Aug 18 with 1281 views | ITFC_RDM |
| Janoi Donacien on 08:17 - Aug 18 by Herbivore |
Thought he largely did okay to be honest. Certainly wasn't our main problem, far from it. |
He definitely was the main problem, but not really through any fault of his own. We all's very limited as a footballer, so being asked to play in a role where he was required to go forward and overlap on the front foot was just daft. it's where it broke down time after time for us. He doesn't trust himself to beat a man or put in a decent ball, so just came back every time. Cook should have ben able to see that and KVY should have been his first change on 55 mins or even earlier. Really poor game management from Cook. That was my biggest worry from last night. | | | |
| Janoi Donacien on 09:11 - Aug 18 with 1259 views | timothyeo |
| Janoi Donacien on 08:59 - Aug 18 by ArnieM |
The whole of the back four looked for the “comfy pass” - all bloody night ! Passing it about side to side like we had all the time in the world . WHY???
There’s was minimal urgency after we’d scored what some players thought was the winner. I’d even suggest there was a hint of arrogance in our play as we “ stroked it around “ for loooong periods of play , rarely looking to get the ball into Cheltenham’s half of oerishbthdd Ed thought get the ball into their box ….. again, Why? |
Coaching, probably. | | | |
| Janoi Donacien on 09:11 - Aug 18 with 1258 views | Rozz |
| Janoi Donacien on 08:55 - Aug 18 by Darth_Koont |
Like a few others, I thought he was absolutely fine. |
Tend to agree. Last time out people were saying KVY was leaving gaping holes and not being physical enough, so we put in Janoi as a direct response to add some physicality & height against the long throw and set pieces. I thought he did OK.
He's not going to be a marauding wingback, but he's a fairly solid option that can play across the back 4. We'll need some of his qualities in games this term. |  | | |
| Janoi Donacien on 09:14 - Aug 18 with 1219 views | JakeITFC |
| Janoi Donacien on 08:59 - Aug 18 by chicoazul |
Starting to become very suspicious of this negative chatter about Janoi. He doesn’t seem to be anything like the main reason we are doing badly, informed sensible posters are saying he is playing ok not a world beater but ok, and yet he seems to be singled out game on game. |
I don't particularly rate Donacien, Woolfenden or Penney at current, it seems like we will be able to improve all three of these with players in our squad. Bigger worry is that they were all fine last night, so is it a more systemic issue that we are facing? |  | | |
| Janoi Donacien on 09:17 - Aug 18 with 1177 views | Herbivore |
| Janoi Donacien on 09:09 - Aug 18 by ITFC_RDM |
He definitely was the main problem, but not really through any fault of his own. We all's very limited as a footballer, so being asked to play in a role where he was required to go forward and overlap on the front foot was just daft. it's where it broke down time after time for us. He doesn't trust himself to beat a man or put in a decent ball, so just came back every time. Cook should have ben able to see that and KVY should have been his first change on 55 mins or even earlier. Really poor game management from Cook. That was my biggest worry from last night. |
I honestly don't know what you were watching if you think Donacien was our main problem last night. | |
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| Janoi Donacien on 09:19 - Aug 18 with 1156 views | Steve_M |
| Janoi Donacien on 08:59 - Aug 18 by chicoazul |
Starting to become very suspicious of this negative chatter about Janoi. He doesn’t seem to be anything like the main reason we are doing badly, informed sensible posters are saying he is playing ok not a world beater but ok, and yet he seems to be singled out game on game. |
He doesn't have the attacking game to play in the system but a few poor passes and a missed clearance in the first half he was generally fine defensively last night. He certainly wasn't why we lost, that remains organisational failings as is the case for six of the seven goals we've conceded this season (Penny/Wolf fk up the other). |  |
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| Janoi Donacien on 09:20 - Aug 18 with 1148 views | Herbivore |
| Janoi Donacien on 09:14 - Aug 18 by JakeITFC |
I don't particularly rate Donacien, Woolfenden or Penney at current, it seems like we will be able to improve all three of these with players in our squad. Bigger worry is that they were all fine last night, so is it a more systemic issue that we are facing? |
I thought Penney was the weak link defensively. He's a good footballer but very lightweight and doesn't win aerial battles. He ended up in no man's land for their equaliser, half covering Burgess' man when he didn't really need to, and leaving the goalscorer more or less unmarked for a simple headed finish. He's been at fault for a decent proportion of our goals so far. | |
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| Janoi Donacien on 09:24 - Aug 18 with 1081 views | ITFC_RDM |
| Janoi Donacien on 09:17 - Aug 18 by Herbivore |
I honestly don't know what you were watching if you think Donacien was our main problem last night. |
Defensively he did fine, no problems there. Every time we went forward down the right (and to be quite honest pretty often down the left) the ball just came back to where it came from and everything slowed down. The main problem last night was Cook. Saying that, Bonne puts that chance away (how did he miss?) and we go on to win that game very comfortably. Cook didn't react at all to Cheltenham coming back into the game and was punished for it. | | | |
| Janoi Donacien on 09:25 - Aug 18 with 1076 views | JakeITFC |
| Janoi Donacien on 09:20 - Aug 18 by Herbivore |
I thought Penney was the weak link defensively. He's a good footballer but very lightweight and doesn't win aerial battles. He ended up in no man's land for their equaliser, half covering Burgess' man when he didn't really need to, and leaving the goalscorer more or less unmarked for a simple headed finish. He's been at fault for a decent proportion of our goals so far. |
I think we can pinpoint individual errors for most of our goals conceded so far (and also some fairly clear cut chances to score at the other) which should be a resolvable issue with better players coming in, but I'm just worried that for large portions of games we don't have much of an answer for when average to poor League One sides turn it on a bit.
Our midfield in the second half was simply overrun - Carroll is a lovely footballer but he's not going to help us in that regard, so how can we fix it? | | | |
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