| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 11:16 - Sep 4 with 965 views | BlueBadger |
Had a skim and it looks a cracking read, that.
I'll give a proper look once I've been out with the dog. |  |
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| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 11:29 - Sep 4 with 948 views | JakeITFC |
The first part of Mark Butcher’s documentary that aired at lunch yesterday well worth a watch too (as will the second and third parts airing this weekend I’m sure). |  | | |
| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 11:48 - Sep 4 with 921 views | Steve_M |
| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 11:29 - Sep 4 by JakeITFC |
The first part of Mark Butcher’s documentary that aired at lunch yesterday well worth a watch too (as will the second and third parts airing this weekend I’m sure). |
I only saw a bit of that, need to catch up on it today.
https://www.skysports.com/share/12398353 |  |
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| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 18:50 - Sep 4 with 803 views | Radlett_blue |
I would guess that the near total absence of cricket from State schools would have had a lot to do with the now rarity of England players of Afro-Caribbean heritage.
The revelations from Azeem Rafiq about the racism he encountered at Yorkshire were scary & I'm sure it wasn't only happening in Yorkshire. |  |
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| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 21:18 - Sep 4 with 760 views | Bluespeed225 |
| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 11:29 - Sep 4 by JakeITFC |
The first part of Mark Butcher’s documentary that aired at lunch yesterday well worth a watch too (as will the second and third parts airing this weekend I’m sure). |
Butcher was on The ’Modcast’ podcast a couple of months ago, very interesting views on why more black lads didn’t pursue cricket. |  | | |
| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 21:25 - Sep 4 with 752 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 18:50 - Sep 4 by Radlett_blue |
I would guess that the near total absence of cricket from State schools would have had a lot to do with the now rarity of England players of Afro-Caribbean heritage.
The revelations from Azeem Rafiq about the racism he encountered at Yorkshire were scary & I'm sure it wasn't only happening in Yorkshire. |
Which then begs further questions about white privilege and private education.
There was also a moment that they pointed out that Geoff Greenidge in 1973 was the last white cricketer to represent the West Indies. This then made me wonder what percentage of West Indians would be white. |  |
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| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 21:34 - Sep 4 with 746 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
A great gallery.
Comments from Lynch, De Freitas and Syd Lawrence really noteworthy. [Post edited 4 Sep 2021 21:35]
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| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 22:21 - Sep 4 with 723 views | Lord_Lucan |
| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 21:18 - Sep 4 by Bluespeed225 |
Butcher was on The ’Modcast’ podcast a couple of months ago, very interesting views on why more black lads didn’t pursue cricket. |
Is that still going - with Eddie Piller?
I thought that finished years ago. |  |
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| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 22:26 - Sep 4 with 721 views | Steve_M |
| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 21:34 - Sep 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
A great gallery.
Comments from Lynch, De Freitas and Syd Lawrence really noteworthy. [Post edited 4 Sep 2021 21:35]
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Just seen this, which is great too:
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| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 22:43 - Sep 4 with 699 views | Melford |
| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 22:26 - Sep 4 by Steve_M |
Just seen this, which is great too:
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I remember watching when Syd Lawrence did his knee in the very early days of Sky away in New Zealand. He was basically done then, it was horrible to watch. You had a few black cricketers back then for England, Chris Lewis, Gladstone Small, Phil deFreitas, Devon Malcolm. At the same time Black cricket has fallen away, Asian cricket has really flourished. Hameed, Moeen, Adil Rashid, Samit Patel, Panesar, Mahmood, Bopara. |  |
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| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 22:47 - Sep 4 with 693 views | Charlie_pl_baxter |
| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 18:50 - Sep 4 by Radlett_blue |
I would guess that the near total absence of cricket from State schools would have had a lot to do with the now rarity of England players of Afro-Caribbean heritage.
The revelations from Azeem Rafiq about the racism he encountered at Yorkshire were scary & I'm sure it wasn't only happening in Yorkshire. |
I happen to work for a charity (Chance to Shine) that delivers cricket in about a quarter of all state primary schools. Still a lot more to be done but we are trying!
We also see a huge disparity between the likelihood of children from more deprived backgrounds and more privileged backgrounds to progress within cricket. Our Street cricket programme also gives a lot of these young people the opportunity to play. |  |
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| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 22:51 - Sep 4 with 691 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 22:43 - Sep 4 by Melford |
I remember watching when Syd Lawrence did his knee in the very early days of Sky away in New Zealand. He was basically done then, it was horrible to watch. You had a few black cricketers back then for England, Chris Lewis, Gladstone Small, Phil deFreitas, Devon Malcolm. At the same time Black cricket has fallen away, Asian cricket has really flourished. Hameed, Moeen, Adil Rashid, Samit Patel, Panesar, Mahmood, Bopara. |
That is interesting. It would also fit with the idea that lower black representation in private schools has a large part to play. Without any data on it, I would suspect Asian representation in private schools is somewhat higher.
This leaves 2 issues to address. One, getting a fairer representation of black children in private education. Two, getting state schools playing cricket. | |
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| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 23:03 - Sep 4 with 664 views | Steve_M |
| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 18:50 - Sep 4 by Radlett_blue |
I would guess that the near total absence of cricket from State schools would have had a lot to do with the now rarity of England players of Afro-Caribbean heritage.
The revelations from Azeem Rafiq about the racism he encountered at Yorkshire were scary & I'm sure it wasn't only happening in Yorkshire. |
Yes, that’s clearly a part of the reason. I think the Butcher documentary on Sky will look at that in part 3 from what he implied today.
That Yorkshire are seemingly unable or unwilling to publish the results of the racism review is, in itself, damming of too much of the sport. [Post edited 5 Sep 2021 10:27]
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| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 23:10 - Sep 4 with 642 views | Melford |
| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 22:51 - Sep 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
That is interesting. It would also fit with the idea that lower black representation in private schools has a large part to play. Without any data on it, I would suspect Asian representation in private schools is somewhat higher.
This leaves 2 issues to address. One, getting a fairer representation of black children in private education. Two, getting state schools playing cricket. |
I think a lot of it is the black cricketers who came through in the 80s like the one I mentioned were first generation. Their parents had come over from the Caribbean and had cricket ingrained into them, came over here and set their own teams up where those boys came through. As the older guys dropped off there was no new blood coming through, to play for and more importantly run the teams. When teams in London sign up footballers younger and younger and chucking them into their academies, even if you are a decent young cricketer you'd sack it all off and never face/bowl a ball again if you got a football contract. | |
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| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 08:30 - Sep 5 with 539 views | IpswichKnight |
| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 21:25 - Sep 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Which then begs further questions about white privilege and private education.
There was also a moment that they pointed out that Geoff Greenidge in 1973 was the last white cricketer to represent the West Indies. This then made me wonder what percentage of West Indians would be white. |
I’m not sure that’s correct I can remember at least 2 who have played recently for the Windies. Josh Da Silva played in the last test they played. | | | |
| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 08:54 - Sep 5 with 522 views | Bluespeed225 |
| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 22:21 - Sep 4 by Lord_Lucan |
Is that still going - with Eddie Piller?
I thought that finished years ago. |
Still going, part of Totally Wired radio. Some interesting guests of late. Butcher put an album out on Acid Jazz a few years ago. AJ were sponsors at Surrey and, I think, the Holioake brother who passed away. | | | |
| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 13:10 - Sep 5 with 474 views | bournemouthblue |
| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 08:30 - Sep 5 by IpswichKnight |
I’m not sure that’s correct I can remember at least 2 who have played recently for the Windies. Josh Da Silva played in the last test they played. |
That's the guy, he's a wicket keeper
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| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 14:01 - Sep 5 with 457 views | gainsboroughblue |
| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 08:30 - Sep 5 by IpswichKnight |
I’m not sure that’s correct I can remember at least 2 who have played recently for the Windies. Josh Da Silva played in the last test they played. |
Brendon Nash was the other. Played for a few years 2007 ish onwards. |  |
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| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 14:16 - Sep 5 with 447 views | Steve_M |
| A reflective piece on England’s black cricketers on 08:30 - Sep 5 by IpswichKnight |
I’m not sure that’s correct I can remember at least 2 who have played recently for the Windies. Josh Da Silva played in the last test they played. |
That was as of 1995 when Wisden Cricket Monthly published a distinctly racist piece questioning England’s black players.
Not that that attitude seemed much different to that of Ray Illingworth who was England coach at the time. | |
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