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Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? 18:32 - Sep 7 with 4676 viewsPippin1970

After today's NI increases going to divide a lot of people. I work 50 hrs a week plus work 2 nights a week. If I didn't would struggle financially. I'm sure others in same boat
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Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 18:38 - Sep 7 with 2187 viewsHARRY10

You are all working class

stop working and you will soon see which class you are

the one that is dependent upon working for a wage
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Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 18:38 - Sep 7 with 2184 viewsJ2BLUE

Bit outdated isn't it?

Truly impaired.
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Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 18:48 - Sep 7 with 2118 viewsBluefish

Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 18:38 - Sep 7 by HARRY10

You are all working class

stop working and you will soon see which class you are

the one that is dependent upon working for a wage


That means middle class doesn't exist?

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Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 18:55 - Sep 7 with 2105 viewsPippin1970

Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 18:38 - Sep 7 by J2BLUE

Bit outdated isn't it?


I thought everybody in Suffolk was rich lol. Demographically wages obviously not as great up here.
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Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 18:58 - Sep 7 with 2089 viewsHARRY10

Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 18:48 - Sep 7 by Bluefish

That means middle class doesn't exist?


yep

I have yet to see any who claim to be these things to not be dependent upon working for a living
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Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 19:00 - Sep 7 with 2079 viewstazdac

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Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 19:01 - Sep 7 with 2049 viewsBluefish

Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 18:58 - Sep 7 by HARRY10

yep

I have yet to see any who claim to be these things to not be dependent upon working for a living


Perhaps that isn't the meaning then?

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Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 19:04 - Sep 7 with 2050 viewsHARRY10

Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 19:01 - Sep 7 by Bluefish

Perhaps that isn't the meaning then?


do define the alternative meaning
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Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 19:18 - Sep 7 with 1995 viewsGuthrum

Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 19:04 - Sep 7 by HARRY10

do define the alternative meaning


The old terms have almost entirely lost their meanings.

"Working Class" meant massed labour employed in heavy industry and mining. There's very little of that left. The closest we have today are probably shop/supermarket workers, a group generally rather marginal in the thinking of 19th and 20th century political theorists.

Most of the old "Upper Class" of aristocrats are no longer wealthy compared with the richest end of the "Middle Class" (senior managers, bankers, City types).

We need new terminology, not relying on something dreamt up by a couple of Germans nearly two centuries ago.

Good Lord! Whatever is it?
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Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 19:19 - Sep 7 with 1990 viewsDanTheMan

Fringe class.

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Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 19:20 - Sep 7 with 1976 viewsBluefish

Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 19:04 - Sep 7 by HARRY10

do define the alternative meaning


Nah I'm not that bothered by it

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Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 19:38 - Sep 7 with 1935 viewsStochesStotasBlewe


We have no village green, or a shop. It's very, very quiet. I can walk to the pub.

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Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 19:54 - Sep 7 with 1888 viewsWD19

Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 19:01 - Sep 7 by Bluefish

Perhaps that isn't the meaning then?


And/or he doesn’t know anyone over the age of 45.
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Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 20:09 - Sep 7 with 1844 viewsbazza

Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 19:18 - Sep 7 by Guthrum

The old terms have almost entirely lost their meanings.

"Working Class" meant massed labour employed in heavy industry and mining. There's very little of that left. The closest we have today are probably shop/supermarket workers, a group generally rather marginal in the thinking of 19th and 20th century political theorists.

Most of the old "Upper Class" of aristocrats are no longer wealthy compared with the richest end of the "Middle Class" (senior managers, bankers, City types).

We need new terminology, not relying on something dreamt up by a couple of Germans nearly two centuries ago.


Work shy lazy class


Working class


Grotesquely rich non tax paying class..


If labour targeted the working class, they would win a majority at the next election.
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Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 20:27 - Sep 7 with 1786 viewsNthsuffolkblue

Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 18:38 - Sep 7 by HARRY10

You are all working class

stop working and you will soon see which class you are

the one that is dependent upon working for a wage


You persist with pushing this narrow definition. However, most of us could give up paid employment and still live. We might be homeless and need to beg/gather our own food but we could probably survive.

So, by your own narrow definition, we are all rich.

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Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 20:33 - Sep 7 with 1764 viewsbazza

Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 20:27 - Sep 7 by Nthsuffolkblue

You persist with pushing this narrow definition. However, most of us could give up paid employment and still live. We might be homeless and need to beg/gather our own food but we could probably survive.

So, by your own narrow definition, we are all rich.


Gather our own food… what are we squirrels … you’d be dead in a month without any help.
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Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 20:51 - Sep 7 with 1699 viewswkj

Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 20:33 - Sep 7 by bazza

Gather our own food… what are we squirrels … you’d be dead in a month without any help.


And that is how society has lead us to think, that we're incapable of fending for ourselves.

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Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 20:53 - Sep 7 with 1690 viewsNthsuffolkblue

Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 20:33 - Sep 7 by bazza

Gather our own food… what are we squirrels … you’d be dead in a month without any help.


You are right. No one on this planet survives without clean drinking water, a regular bin collection, a local Tesco and a MacDonalds.

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Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 21:02 - Sep 7 with 1657 viewsmutters

Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 19:54 - Sep 7 by WD19

And/or he doesn’t know anyone over the age of 45.


Or he has no concept of long term planning or how you can through working hard and saving can free yourself from being a wage slave.

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Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 21:03 - Sep 7 with 1655 viewsbazza

Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 20:51 - Sep 7 by wkj

And that is how society has lead us to think, that we're incapable of fending for ourselves.


I watched a programme on tv the other day, where people don’t even know how to keep their houses clean… I don’t think society has lead us to believe we can’t fend for ourselves ..it’s a fact..
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Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 21:05 - Sep 7 with 1632 viewsbazza

Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 20:53 - Sep 7 by Nthsuffolkblue

You are right. No one on this planet survives without clean drinking water, a regular bin collection, a local Tesco and a MacDonalds.


Certainly No one in a developed country ..
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Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 21:05 - Sep 7 with 1627 viewsNthsuffolkblue

Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 21:03 - Sep 7 by bazza

I watched a programme on tv the other day, where people don’t even know how to keep their houses clean… I don’t think society has lead us to believe we can’t fend for ourselves ..it’s a fact..


That's good evidence for the idea that people could not survive without money. Someone on TV was unable to clean their house so no one could live without money.

Not sure where the plumbum comes in but I suppose wkj led you into that.

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Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 21:06 - Sep 7 with 1619 viewsNthsuffolkblue

Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 21:05 - Sep 7 by bazza

Certainly No one in a developed country ..


If you were to open your eyes you would actually see it in this country!

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Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 21:14 - Sep 7 with 1585 viewsbazza

Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 21:06 - Sep 7 by Nthsuffolkblue

If you were to open your eyes you would actually see it in this country!


I did see a guy over Christchurch park eating wild berries and drinking from the duck pond now you mention it..
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Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 21:22 - Sep 7 with 1558 viewsBluedicea

Are you lower class, middle class or just rich? on 19:18 - Sep 7 by Guthrum

The old terms have almost entirely lost their meanings.

"Working Class" meant massed labour employed in heavy industry and mining. There's very little of that left. The closest we have today are probably shop/supermarket workers, a group generally rather marginal in the thinking of 19th and 20th century political theorists.

Most of the old "Upper Class" of aristocrats are no longer wealthy compared with the richest end of the "Middle Class" (senior managers, bankers, City types).

We need new terminology, not relying on something dreamt up by a couple of Germans nearly two centuries ago.


This is the system they use to define class in the UK, it's 50 years old now but I think useful to a certain degree.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NRS_social_grade

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One of the modern criticisms of Labour they are nearly all come from C1 and above categories and the Tories have had more C2 and D members in recent years and that's one of the reasons they are becoming of touch with the working class.
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What is the use of knowing about everything else, when you do not yet know who you are.

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