| Vaccine passport plan being scrapped 11:52 - Sep 12 with 1305 views | pointofblue |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58535258
Utterly stupid IMO - an easy way to keep Covid, to a degree, under control, though obviously there’d need to be proof of a negative test for those who cannot have the vaccines for health reasons. |  |
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| Vaccine passport plan being scrapped on 12:29 - Sep 12 with 1252 views | Freddies_Ears |
Herd immunity is going so well. Only running at an annualised death rate of 50,000 or so. That's a tiny price to pay to keep a few Tory MPs happy, Isn't it? | | | |
| Vaccine passport plan being scrapped on 12:31 - Sep 12 with 1241 views | pointofblue |
| Vaccine passport plan being scrapped on 12:29 - Sep 12 by Freddies_Ears |
Herd immunity is going so well. Only running at an annualised death rate of 50,000 or so. That's a tiny price to pay to keep a few Tory MPs happy, Isn't it? |
And the Lib Dem’s, and perhaps Labour too, though the article is slightly less clear. I wonder if it’s being dropped because they’ve realised they wouldn’t get it through the House? Can’t see why there’s opposition to it. | |
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| Vaccine passport plan being scrapped on 14:19 - Sep 12 with 1168 views | bluelagos |
| Vaccine passport plan being scrapped on 12:31 - Sep 12 by pointofblue |
And the Lib Dem’s, and perhaps Labour too, though the article is slightly less clear. I wonder if it’s being dropped because they’ve realised they wouldn’t get it through the House? Can’t see why there’s opposition to it. |
There is evidence that mandating covid passports is counter productive and will lead to a hardening of positions for many anti-vaccers. It feeds their narrative and will lead to less, not more uptake of vaccines.
A sage member wrote as much recently, sure you can research it / read it - but that was the gist of it.
Agree with you that it has likely been dropped due to the likelyhood of it not passing in the commons. |  |
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| Vaccine passport plan being scrapped on 15:03 - Sep 12 with 1120 views | Guthrum |
| Vaccine passport plan being scrapped on 14:19 - Sep 12 by bluelagos |
There is evidence that mandating covid passports is counter productive and will lead to a hardening of positions for many anti-vaccers. It feeds their narrative and will lead to less, not more uptake of vaccines.
A sage member wrote as much recently, sure you can research it / read it - but that was the gist of it.
Agree with you that it has likely been dropped due to the likelyhood of it not passing in the commons. |
Anti-vaxxers will use any excuse to 'harden their position'. After all, anything handed down from the authorities "proves" their theory that it's a grand establishment conspiracy to oppress them. On the other hand, an absence of pressure allows them unchallenged space to flourish. They aren't going to be persuaded by moderation.
Public health is not going to win either way, so you may as well just go ahead and impose what has to be done, if it's really necessary - which should be guided by reputable scientific advice, not a need to pussy-foot around a small (but loud) minority of nutters who are never going to change their peculiar, internet-driven views whatever anyone says.
Or, for that matter libertarian nutters in Parliament who put their individual "freedom" (often to make personal fortunes) above the good of the wider populace. |  |
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| Vaccine passport plan being scrapped on 15:17 - Sep 12 with 1091 views | bluelagos |
| Vaccine passport plan being scrapped on 15:03 - Sep 12 by Guthrum |
Anti-vaxxers will use any excuse to 'harden their position'. After all, anything handed down from the authorities "proves" their theory that it's a grand establishment conspiracy to oppress them. On the other hand, an absence of pressure allows them unchallenged space to flourish. They aren't going to be persuaded by moderation.
Public health is not going to win either way, so you may as well just go ahead and impose what has to be done, if it's really necessary - which should be guided by reputable scientific advice, not a need to pussy-foot around a small (but loud) minority of nutters who are never going to change their peculiar, internet-driven views whatever anyone says.
Or, for that matter libertarian nutters in Parliament who put their individual "freedom" (often to make personal fortunes) above the good of the wider populace. |
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/31/vaccine-passports-will-make-hesita
Why would anyone want to implement a policy if it shown to be likely to result in fewer vaccinations?
It is counter intuitive, but that is the evidence.
We also have some of the highest rates in the world of vaccine uptake in the UK. | |
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| Vaccine passport plan being scrapped on 15:29 - Sep 12 with 1070 views | WD19 |
| Vaccine passport plan being scrapped on 15:03 - Sep 12 by Guthrum |
Anti-vaxxers will use any excuse to 'harden their position'. After all, anything handed down from the authorities "proves" their theory that it's a grand establishment conspiracy to oppress them. On the other hand, an absence of pressure allows them unchallenged space to flourish. They aren't going to be persuaded by moderation.
Public health is not going to win either way, so you may as well just go ahead and impose what has to be done, if it's really necessary - which should be guided by reputable scientific advice, not a need to pussy-foot around a small (but loud) minority of nutters who are never going to change their peculiar, internet-driven views whatever anyone says.
Or, for that matter libertarian nutters in Parliament who put their individual "freedom" (often to make personal fortunes) above the good of the wider populace. |
They are not persuaded by having x25 greater chance of death. They are beyond reason. |  | | |
| Vaccine passport plan being scrapped on 15:52 - Sep 12 with 1025 views | bournemouthblue |
| Vaccine passport plan being scrapped on 12:31 - Sep 12 by pointofblue |
And the Lib Dem’s, and perhaps Labour too, though the article is slightly less clear. I wonder if it’s being dropped because they’ve realised they wouldn’t get it through the House? Can’t see why there’s opposition to it. |
Its not likely to appeal to their voting base either, many with Libertarian ideals (not that they generally control the virus very well) |  |
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| Vaccine passport plan being scrapped on 18:10 - Sep 12 with 921 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Vaccine passport plan being scrapped on 14:19 - Sep 12 by bluelagos |
There is evidence that mandating covid passports is counter productive and will lead to a hardening of positions for many anti-vaccers. It feeds their narrative and will lead to less, not more uptake of vaccines.
A sage member wrote as much recently, sure you can research it / read it - but that was the gist of it.
Agree with you that it has likely been dropped due to the likelyhood of it not passing in the commons. |
There really isn’t evidence to show a vaccine passport is counter productive. To be counter productive it would need people already vaccinated to get themselves unvaccinated which is of course impossible.
You don’t need to introduce a vaccine passport anyway. I have just been on a cruise where I had to produce evidence of vaccination by showing the appropriate NHS app, also required to be tested on arrival at Southampton and to show the text confirming a negative result, received 25 minutes later, before allowed to board.
I very much doubt had this been voted on in parliament that opposition parties would have voted against it. |  |
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| Vaccine passport plan being scrapped on 22:22 - Sep 12 with 818 views | vapour_trail |
| Vaccine passport plan being scrapped on 14:19 - Sep 12 by bluelagos |
There is evidence that mandating covid passports is counter productive and will lead to a hardening of positions for many anti-vaccers. It feeds their narrative and will lead to less, not more uptake of vaccines.
A sage member wrote as much recently, sure you can research it / read it - but that was the gist of it.
Agree with you that it has likely been dropped due to the likelyhood of it not passing in the commons. |
The only reason, let’s be very clear here, the only reason that vaccine passports have been dropped by the Johnson administration, is because the ERG nutters (forgotten what they’ve rebranded as) on his benches, will not support them.
It has nothing to do with health, nothing to do with what protects people.
It’s protecting Johnson’s premiership.
It could be the right call, it could be the wrong call. |  |
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| Vaccine passport plan being scrapped on 22:26 - Sep 12 with 808 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Vaccine passport plan being scrapped on 22:22 - Sep 12 by vapour_trail |
The only reason, let’s be very clear here, the only reason that vaccine passports have been dropped by the Johnson administration, is because the ERG nutters (forgotten what they’ve rebranded as) on his benches, will not support them.
It has nothing to do with health, nothing to do with what protects people.
It’s protecting Johnson’s premiership.
It could be the right call, it could be the wrong call. |
It’s the CRG now. Not exactly a subtle cover is it?
It’s preventing a challenge to Johnson’s leadership. Nothing else. |  | | |
| Vaccine passport plan being scrapped on 22:29 - Sep 12 with 799 views | vapour_trail |
| Vaccine passport plan being scrapped on 22:26 - Sep 12 by ElderGrizzly |
It’s the CRG now. Not exactly a subtle cover is it?
It’s preventing a challenge to Johnson’s leadership. Nothing else. |
It’s fecking clear as day. Problem is, nobody calls him out on it. | |
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| Vaccine passport plan being scrapped on 22:59 - Sep 12 with 755 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Vaccine passport plan being scrapped on 22:26 - Sep 12 by ElderGrizzly |
It’s the CRG now. Not exactly a subtle cover is it?
It’s preventing a challenge to Johnson’s leadership. Nothing else. |
That's the Covid Resurgence Group, who are surely achieving their aims... | | | |
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